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I'm sure that the f/f romances are a lot more played than the m/m ones, maybe even more than the female PC/male ones.
I remember hearing that the FF Leliana romance was meant to be the most played romance in Origins. Of course I think that was mostly because allot of straight men played that romance.
I remember hearing that the FF Leliana romance was meant to be the most played romance in Origins. Of course I think that was mostly because allot of straight men played that romance.
Well, on PS3 Morrigan was the most played romance. You can see how many people unlocked the trophies, and Morrigan's romance won out by a pretty decent margin.
It's both. People appreciate the existence of Dorian and Sera both because they're romance options for gay and lesbian players and because they are gay and lesbian characters. If it were only about getting options, then gay and lesbian players would have been just as satisfied if they were bisexual.
I, personally, would be really happy to have a non-romanceable companion who was not straight.
And if we're going to bring up the percentage of who plays that content, we can bring it back to the low numbers of how many play rogues or dwarves. Those options are still included even though very few people take those options.
A lot of people praise DA2's system and talk about how much they wish it was back, despite it resulting in pretty much no representation for anyone whatsoever. People also don't say that Blackwall/Vivienne should have been a bisexual LI because they want more bisexual representation in the game, they just want more romance options.
As for the comparison to rogues/dwarves: It would be more like if races were given bonus quests, and dwarf players were insisting that dwarves be given the same number or more bonus quests despite being the least played race.
I remember hearing that the FF Leliana romance was meant to be the most played romance in Origins. Of course I think that was mostly because allot of straight men played that romance.
Yeah I did that, somehow Leliana seemed better as F/F romance, although maybe that was deliberate as Morrigan was Male only (and in truth when I played a male warden I romanced Morrigan). I also think F/F Liara in Mass Effect worked really well.
I'm sure that the f/f romances are a lot more played than the m/m ones, maybe even more than the female PC/male ones.
I'm not so sure about that. As a straight male, female PC/male NPC romances feel less weird to me than f/f ones. Romancing Leliana in DAO with my female Warden felt....odd. Not bad, but odd, something hard to adapt to. Yeah, it would be interesting to have some numbers on these things.
A lot of people praise DA2's system for being "equal" and talk about how much they wish it was back, despite it resulting in pretty much no representation whatsoever. People don't say that Blackwall/Vivienne should have been a bisexual LI because they want more bisexual representation in the game, they just want more romance options.
As for the comparison to rogues/warriors: It would be more like if races were given bonus quests, and dwarf players insisting that dwarves be given the same number or more bonus quests despite being the least played race.
It really depends on who these people are that you're talking to. When people ask for Sera or Dorian to be bi, you hear from those who would rather see them remain gay and lesbian because of representation. Yes, there are also people who only care about romance options and not representation, but those are not the same people who also care about representation.
And lots of people have said that Blackwall should have been bi because he fits the "virtuous knight" trope that always seems to be straight in Dragon Age. Lots of people wanted to see him gay or bi just to see representation of that specific type of character as a non-straight man.
But races probably are going to be given bonuses (even if they're not full quests, just small changes here and there), and dwarves are almost definitely getting the same number of bonuses.
It's both. People appreciate the existence of Dorian and Sera both because they're romance options for gay and lesbian players and because they are gay and lesbian characters. If it were only about getting options, then gay and lesbian players would have been just as satisfied if they were bisexual.
I, personally, would be really happy to have a non-romanceable companion who was not straight.
And if we're going to bring up the percentage of who plays that content, we can bring it back to the low numbers of how many play rogues or dwarves. Those options are still included even though very few people take those options.
Dwarves and rogues part of the core game that's how ever if they had you choose a class and a race to drop it would be them or all races but human Aka DA2.
Investing in creating extra romances content is different having 2 available for you have to the investment has to be justifiable so naturally your going to go for one of the large demo-graphs.
if they we going to only have 4 core romances like DA2, they would have all been bisexual and any extra most likely heterosexual just like Sabastion was because that's the larger demograph.
Actually mentioning DA2 makes me realise that the Straight girls got the bonus then as well with Sebastian... well sort of (actually maybe I shouldn't go there)
@Trojan.Vundo: So you want to get rid of inequality in previous games which benefited straight males, only to replace it with a new inequality which instead benefits everyone else? How very progressive of you. 
I remember hearing that the FF Leliana romance was meant to be the most played romance in Origins. Of course I think that was mostly because allot of straight men played that romance.
I've never read that it was the most played romance - I've always heard that was Morrigan (which makes sense since unlike Leliana, she's always a companion and her achievement/trophey was easier to get earlier on in the game).
The only stat I remember hearing the devs have mentioned in panels regarding Leliana's was that more people romanced her with a female than played a rogue. That's still significant, of course, but it's still a very different animal from having been created to be the most played one (although maybe I just missed an interview somewhere, in which case I'd love to read it).
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Actually mentioning DA2 makes me realise that the Straight girls got the bonus then as well with Sebastian... well sort of (actually maybe I shouldn't go there)
I think it's kind of like saying that Vega was romance option cause of me3 Citadel DLC.
Bonus is perfect word for that. It's certainly not full romance - it has no romantic cutscenes, and feels really short.
If anyone has doubts check this out:
Basically 3 minutes of content (mind that video includes both freindship and rivalry versions)
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@Trojan.Vundo: So you want to get rid of inequality in previous games which benefited straight males, only to replace it with a new inequality which instead benefits everyone else? How very progressive of you.
I hear they call it affirmative action these days! Or "positive" discrimination. If you're wondering why it's positive, so am I 
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Sure, BioWare can be better. BioWare could have been worse though, too.
I can understand the outcry from both sides, but seriously: BioWare has given us more LGBT-content than most other games in the industry have given us. It's ok to be upset, because you feel not represented enough, but honestly? I don't think something like this would have been possible 20 years ago (with so much positive feedback, I mean). Having at least 2 LIs' for every lesbian, gay and straight protagonist is such a huge progress already. If it's going to continue like this, these games will only get better with giving us such content over time.
I'm not saying everybody should just shut up about these issues, because everybody has more options than 10 years ago, or so. I'm just saying that it's not perfect right now, but its getting better, it's getting there. Don't be rude to the devs, because you're disappointed.
I remember, I was so happy when I found out there were bisexual romances when I got Dragon Age Origins. The game was a gift for me and I didn't know anything about the gameplay. Finding out about this content by myself was such a pleasent experience, simply because I've never expected to be represented in a game.
And to the male straight players who seem to be really upset: It's totally ok to be upset. It's ok to be a bit angry, too. I mean you had your expectations and you hoped they would come true. It's ok to have feelings about this issue.
What is not ok is saying things like "This is sexist, because I can't romance a female elf". See, the majority of games in the entire rest of the industry is targeted towards you. Games where you play a straight male, who gets the chick.
BioWare is now ONE company, that gave a group of - normally underprivileged - players more content.
You cannot be discriminated, because you are not discriminated. You have just as many options as gay males and females. The rest of the industry is focused on heterosexual males. Any other game. Let straight girls be happy for once. For once. This just SO rude, man.
Imagine a (straight) boy eating a cake and a (straight) girl eating a cookie (she wanted cake though). The boy could eat that cake his entire life, everyday. Everybody gave the boy a cake whenver he wanted. The girl only got a cookie. Then ONE day someone gave the girl a cake and the boy a cookie. The boy could have just got another cake from someone else - everybody gives him cakes after all - but no. The boy starts to cry about inequality.
Oh and every other sexual orientation would either get a chocolate chip or nothing, if you wanted to generalize this post towards the entire industry.
It's super rude to talk about your own oppression when you're actually the privileged one, okay? Keep that in mind. Be emotional, be sad, but don't go to the "straight males are discriminated" route. The route doesn't even exist.,. geez...
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But that would be more realistic! Not all classes are certainly treated equally in Thedas. If we gonna gender gate then we should gate all deh things! Realism is deh futures!Gender gating and race gating is more than enough already. Please no class gating.
Imagine a (straight) boy eating a cake and a (straight) girl eating a cookie (she wanted cake though). The boy could eat that cake his entire life, everyday. Everybody gave the boy a cake whenver he wanted. The girl only got a cookie. Then ONE day someone gave the girl a cake and the boy a cookie. The boy could have just got another cake from someone else - everybody gives him cakes after all - but no. The boy starts to cry about inequality.
I think a more appropriate metaphor is both of them getting a cake, and the boy throwing a tantrum because "It's a cake. It's supposed to be mine!"
I'm a straight woman. I prefer to play straight woman, but more than that I prefer a LI I like. I've romanced women more times than I can count, to the point that I wondered if there was something wrong with me. For whatever reason, BW tends to give traits I like to women.
Nice way to dismiss complaints of members of a group that was always marginilized in video games by equating it with people everything was always pandered to.
And to reminders that by expecting not getting worse treatment than straight people we're putting the cart before the horse.
Just curious? (genuine enquiry)
What would have addressed those complaints for you?
2/2/2, as was originally designed prior to the release delay to add more content?
Romances: Sera/Dorian, Josephine/Iron Bull, Cassandra/Blackwall
No Cullen, no Solas.
Would that have addressed your complaints?
Nice way to dismiss complaints of members of a group that was always marginilized in video games by equating it with people everything was always pandered to.
And to reminders that by expecting not getting worse treatment than straight people we're putting the cart before the horse.
Why can't people learn to adapt?
I plan to romance Sera and Josephine with female Inquisitors. I will roll a male for Dorian. I will roll an elf for Solas.
My sexuality is not a determining factor at how I will play this game.
People are acting as if the way the characters are set up was intentionally done to hurt a portion of the fandom.
And in all honesty, I think its selfish to demand the writers change their lore/writing.
There are things that I'd love to have/see in the game but I don't expect to be catered to. Its just not how it works.
Come on my fellow straight brothers. Let's not freak out. This is literally the one time we're not in the "romance" majority in a BioWare game. I get it. I'm dissapointed in not being able to romance Vivienne with my Inquisitor too. She seemed like a really interesting character ever since she was announced not to mention the awesomeness her VA adds.
Let's treat this as a lesson. It'll be a new experience to be "under represented" for once and the 2 LIs that are available to us are pretty interesting too (Josephine is my top pick for now but I will certainly let the in-game experience help me decide).
For now I suppose it's time to start doing what the male LIs lovers (both male and female) were doing all those years. Time to make those videos, write comments and ambush BioWare devs on various conventions while still stalking and nagging them on twitter 
. Let's put some work into this and maybe we'll get more variety next time around 
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Plus be happy for other sexualities. I think all of them got the most LIs in a BioWare game ever with Dragon Age Inquisition. So cheers to them .
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