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[ElitePinecone]

It would be interesting to know what the stats actually are.  I suspect that you are basically right that m/m romances are the least played even though f/f romances are the least common in real life.  I wonder for example how many women play gay guys compared to the number of men who play lesbian women.  I guess we will never know.

 

They've mentioned it vaguely a couple of times. More people used the s/s romances in Origins than played a rogue, for example. David also said they were surprised by how popular the male Warden and Zevran romance was. 

 

It's clearly popular enough to keep making content for those people - indeed, in DA:I we've got an exclusively gay and lesbian option, which means even more resources are dedicated to it.

 

I suspect that, compared to the audience for a shooter or even other RPGs, DA has a lot more LGBT players (or even straight players who will play LGBT content) precisely because it's now known for offering those choices, so it's quite a nice virtuous cycle whereby the audience gets bigger by virtue of offering more content for that audience.

[DeityDi]

Because his background story up till Inquisition reminds me of Shepard's "survivor" background. He went through a lot of **** that would give him plenty of reasons to hate mages. Even if he did give in to hate at one point, when it come to being forced to make a choice, he took a stand against Meredith. It takes balls to do that.

No, I mean why is that "many guys here hate him"? 

 

I have a feeling that he'll redeem himself to a large part of the community in the Inquisition.

I get that many people like him already, I don't think he even need to redeem himself all that much.

He hardly even did something, well, horribly wrong.

[morgy8755]

I am pretty happy with the choices, and I never really get into the romance options available in the games. So I am excited for the choices that I have (female elf) for my first go around.

[Gwydden]

The assumption that m/m or f/f romances are the least popular would not appear to be correct.

I guarantee you the BSN is in no way representative of the big open world 

[Kimberly]

While I understand that the Dragon age developers have thoroughly thought out the characters and their stories all the way down to their sexuality, but one of the aspects of the whole world of the Thedas I found unique was their approach to sexuality being radically different then our own worlds. In DA2 we got to full explore this freedom with all of our available LIs, no matter what our own preference for our character was. I understand that each character is unique and the DA developers have put a lot of work in to them, but I just feel that the freedom we experienced in the last game is now being limited by the LIs preferences and being able to fully explore their character in the romantic aspect that we wish.

I'd rather not take away gay & lesbian representation by making everyone BI. That's what that would do. Having gay & lesbian companions are moving in the right direction. I would rather not go back to the way it was in DA2

[Ianamus]

I think it's one thing if you want to play a male character to romance an attractive gay character.  I think it's a totally different thing if you go on and on about how "cute" gay male couples are and/or if you only find him attractive because he's gay.  Just finding a male character attractive and wanting to romance him is hardly a fetish.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with girls who are really into male/male romance in fiction. If it ends up involving real-life couples then it has crossed a line, but just fangirling over same gender couples in fiction is pretty harmless.

 

If anything I actually usually find male/male media aimed at women to be far more appealing than male/male media aimed at men. The stuff aimed at women tends to be more romanticized while the stuff actually aimed at gay men tends to be much more sexual and explicit, and the characters tend to be hyper-masculine. 

[Gwydden]

I suspect that, compared to the audience for a shooter or even other RPGs, DA has a lot more LGBT players (or even straight players who will play LGBT content) precisely because it's now known for offering those choices, so it's quite a nice virtuous cycle whereby the audience gets bigger by virtue of offering more content for that audience.

I must admit that to this day I think LGBT soulds like something you would call an energy drink 

 

LGBT gives you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings!

[Steelcan]

I've mostly reached the point of not caring any more

[ElitePinecone]

They have more issues with the straight female fandom who fetishize M/M relationships but thats another post altogether. 

 

They're mostly harmless, and the earnestness is very genuine, and it doesn't hurt that by being so vocal about m/m romances they provide even more impetus for Bioware to keep making them. I would be kinda disturbed if it turned out the main playerbase for m/m content is straight women, but I guess the side effect of their interest would be that it's there for gay players and everyone else.

 

It can sometimes be patronising to have your sexualiy fetishised, but I don't really have a big problem with it. If people are enjoying that, I guess that's their prerogative.

[jtav]

Another thing about all bi. There are 35 sets of romance scenes. It takes eight apiece for a bisexual, ungated LI. So...which half of the romances do you want to cut? Oh and you *still* have only two choices.

[Gwydden]

They're mostly harmless, and the earnestness is very genuine, and it doesn't hurt that by being so vocal about m/m romances they provide even more impetus for Bioware to keep making them. I would be kinda disturbed if it turned out the main playerbase for m/m content is straight women, but I guess the side effect of their interest would be that it's there for gay players and everyone else.

 

It can sometimes be patronising to have your sexualiy fetishised, but I don't really have a big problem with it. If people are enjoying that, I guess that's their prerogative.

I truly don't think you need other people's permission to find them attractive, yeah.

[Mabari-Master]

I'd rather not take away gay & lesbian representation by making everyone BI. That's what that would do. Having gay & lesbian companions are moving in the right direction. I would rather not go back to the way it was in DA2

That's fair to say, but I think it's also fair to say that it's probably not BioWares intention to represent anyone.

[Milana]

Not laughing at all. I think he's handsome.    I don't think thats fetishizing. I will rolling a male character for him because he is so dashing and I like the fact he's a Tevinter.

 

I'm referring to the group of female fans who take it beyond that. They take it to the point of even bashing F/F fans as well as F/M fans.   I saw alot of them insult female fans who shipped femShep with Liara or Traynor.  

well to be honest, i have some kink with gay couples,though im far away from being straight,call me weird if u like:) though im not finding them attractive just because they are gay, but because they are handsome) still never heard of so called slash shippers bashing f/f or f/m fans  quite the contrary,like with me3 a lot of fans of female shepard with kaidan were very annoyed with people who shipped a male shepard with him

[Kimberly]

They're mostly harmless, and the earnestness is very genuine, and it doesn't hurt that by being so vocal about m/m romances they provide even more impetus for Bioware to keep making them. I would be kinda disturbed if it turned out the main playerbase for m/m content is straight women, but I guess the side effect of their interest would be that it's there for gay players and everyone else.
 
It can sometimes be patronising to have your sexualiy fetishised, but I don't really have a big problem with it. If people are enjoying that, I guess that's their prerogative.

For me, a straight female, I want to see Dorian's romance arc. I so wanted to romance him with a female, so next best thing. I love the romance BW puts in their games. So I just want to experience the story, so I'll do straight & s/s.

[WildOrchid]

It can sometimes be patronising to have your sexualiy fetishised, but I don't really have a big problem with it. If people are enjoying that, I guess that's their prerogative.

 

As long as it's the kind of ppl who support same sex relationships and not the homophobic "kind" who fetishizes homosexuality, i'm fine. Because we have a lot of men like this, sadly.

And we get that from some straight females too, they find m/m cute and condemn f/f relationships.

[ElitePinecone]

Another thing about all bi. There are 35 sets of romance scenes. It takes eight apiece for a bisexual, ungated LI. So...which half of the romances do you want to cut? Oh and you *still* have only two choices.

 

Yeah, that's the thing - 4 bisexual romances were said to have the same amount of content as these 8 mixed ones.

 

By moving back to that system you'd lose the representation of Dorian and Sera, and even Cassandra or Blackwall (as "straight"  romances). They'd only have half the romance arcs and characters to work with.

 

Even if they're only looking at this from a story and representation perspective (to say nothing of the fact that lots of people were grumpy about the "realism" of DA2's system), DA:I's model seems like the best way to go.

[Lady Nuggins]

That's fair to say, but I think it's also fair to say that it's probably not BioWares intention to represent anyone.

 

Maybe not, but they are certainly making an effort to represent a wide range of people and tell a wide range of stories.  As has been said above, all bisexual would mean they would just have fewer romanceable characters.  So you would be able to romance all of the options with your protagonist, but there would only be 4 options total.  I'd rather they had a wider range and told more stories than limit themselves to fewer characters.

 

They're mostly harmless, and the earnestness is very genuine, and it doesn't hurt that by being so vocal about m/m romances they provide even more impetus for Bioware to keep making them. I would be kinda disturbed if it turned out the main playerbase for m/m content is straight women, but I guess the side effect of their interest would be that it's there for gay players and everyone else.

 

It can sometimes be patronising to have your sexualiy fetishised, but I don't really have a big problem with it. If people are enjoying that, I guess that's their prerogative.

 

I can think of other places where straight female fans of m/m romance can be harmful (see "queer-baiting" and shows that get viewers by inserting gay subtext between two male protagonists who are emphatically portrayed as straight).  I don't think that's such a risk for Bioware games, even if some of them can be obnoxious.  

[franciscoamell]

I like the DA2 system better myself tbh.

[Kimberly]

That's fair to say, but I think it's also fair to say that it's probably not BioWares intention to represent anyone.

I believe BW has a large enough LGBT fan base to warrant the inclusion of gay & lesbian characters and companions. I thought BW stated they wanted to include this representation? Correct me if I'm wrong though.

They've been steadily adding it to their games. It's been getting better with each game. I don't foresee them going backwards and no longer including it.

[Melca36]

They're mostly harmless, and the earnestness is very genuine, and it doesn't hurt that by being so vocal about m/m romances they provide even more impetus for Bioware to keep making them. I would be kinda disturbed if it turned out the main playerbase for m/m content is straight women, but I guess the side effect of their interest would be that it's there for gay players and everyone else.

 

It can sometimes be patronising to have your sexualiy fetishised, but I don't really have a big problem with it. If people are enjoying that, I guess that's their prerogative.

 

 

I agree but when some of those same people diminish F/F ships and call femShep/Liara 'gross' thats when it becomes annoying.

[jtav]

Yeah, that's the thing - 4 bisexual romances were said to have the same amount of content as these 8 mixed ones.

 

By moving back to that system you'd lose the representation of Dorian and Sera, and even Cassandra or Blackwall (as "straight"  romances). They'd only have half the romance arcs and characters to work with.

 

Even if they're only looking at this from a story and representation perspective (to say nothing of the fact that lots of people were grumpy about the "realism" of DA2's system), DA:I's model seems like the best way to go.

And something tells me Dorian would be first on the chopping block...

[daveliam]

Just something to keep in mind about those poll results:

 

The wording said something to the effect, "Who is your favorite LI?"  It wasn't specifically asking people who they wanted to romance.  Plus, it was before we found out that Cullen and Solas were race-gated and that Solas and Blackwall were straight.  And, I believe, it had Varric and Vivienne included as well (which means that their % need to go elsewhere now that they are not romanceable). 

 

Add to that all of the typical "self-selection" (although that's less of a concern with over 3000 data points) and the non-representational sampling, and it all leads to this point:  Take it with a grain of salt.

 

What I think would be interesting would be to see what people say now.  Given that we now know all of the combinations, I suspect that the results would be different.  I'd love to see a follow up poll now asking specifically, "Who are you planning on romancing for your first playthrough?".  Then we could say, "This is the most popular LI for the BSN players on their first playthrough" (so many qualifiers in that statement!) 

 

I would have already made that poll that I haven't figured out how to do so.  I guess I could play around with it for a while to figure it out.  OR, some kind soul could make that poll.....?

[Harlot]

No, I mean why is that "many guys here hate him"? 

 

I get that many people like him already, I don't think he even need to redeem himself all that much.

He hardly even did something, well, horribly wrong.

I get the feeling it's mostly the female part of the community that likes him at this point but I think that his presentation in the trailers is slowly winning him some recognition among the guys as well.

And I'd say that the rabid fangirl mania over him and his goldilocks plus typical human jealousy played a part in him getting disliked by the males. I didn't really care most of the time. I didn't like his personality in Origins (as little as there was of it back then) and he was "ok" to me in DA2.

[Melca36]

I like the DA2 system better myself tbh.

 

We can't get everything we want in this world. The same goes for games. People should have NEVER assumed Inquisition was going to copy DA2's style. 

[Monoten]

I don't mind about how many romances there are for the different genders. I mean if you like to romance a particular partner, then you just have to fullfill those requirements. I don't see the difficulty about doing that. It's just a video game. And besides the romances are just a part of the game. I find the overall story much more important.