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[ElitePinecone]

I can think of other places where straight female fans of m/m romance can be harmful (see "queer-baiting" and shows that get viewers by inserting gay subtext between two male protagonists who are emphatically portrayed as straight).  I don't think that's such a risk for Bioware games, even if some of them can be obnoxious.  

 

I'll admit that I've thankfully avoided seeing the obnoxious stuff, so maybe I don't understand how bad it can get.

 

(It probably can and does turn into outright offense, it's just not something I have a lot of experience with or knowledge about)

[Melca36]

As long as it's the kind of ppl who support same sex relationships and not the homophobic "kind" who fetishizes homosexuality, i'm fine. Because we have a lot of men like this, sadly.

And we get that from some straight females too, they find m/m cute and condemn f/f relationships.

 

Yes. Thats what I've been saying.  When a straight female fan who puts M/M relationships on pedestal while trashing f/f relationships. That is going overboard and its hypocritical.

[ElitePinecone]

I agree but when some of those same people diminish F/F ships and call femShep/Liara 'gross' thats when it becomes annoying.

 

That's certainly unacceptable, yeah, even homophobic.

[Gwydden]

I would have already made that poll that I haven't figured out how to do so.  I guess I could play around with it for a while to figure it out.  OR, some kind soul could make that poll.....?

Someone did already 

[Melca36]

well to be honest, i have some kink with gay couples,though im far away from being straight,call me weird if u like:) though im not finding them attractive just because they are gay, but because they are handsome) still never heard of so called slash shippers bashing f/f or f/m fans  quite the contrary,like with me3 a lot of fans of female shepard with kaidan were very annoyed with people who shipped a male shepard with him

 

And alot of people who shipped mShep/Kaidan bashed femShep/Traynor, femShep/Liara and mShep/Cortez.

 

I still see it everyday.

[Milana]

Yes. Thats what I've been saying.  When a straight female fan who puts M/M relationships on pedestal while trashing f/f relationships. That is going overboard and its hypocritical.

Good thing i never met a girl like that....Its usually males who are like: "gays are disgusting,while lesbians are hot." Guess i'm just associating with the right group of girls

[daveliam]

Someone did already 

 

That SofaJockey!  Great minds think alike, I guess......

[devSin]

I can think of other places where straight female fans of m/m romance can be harmful (see "queer-baiting" and shows that get viewers by inserting gay subtext between two male protagonists who are emphatically portrayed as straight).  I don't think that's such a risk for Bioware games, even if some of them can be obnoxious.

It will be interesting to see if Dorian gets less interest for being a gay character than the previous bisexual or straight males. (Unlike EP, I wouldn't be surprised at all to discover that straight females were the largest audience for the gay romances in previous BioWare games.)

My understanding is that these communities have less interest in actual gay relationships than in simply concocting scenarios where their two favorite straight (or straight-seeming) men end up in love with each other. As such, it's not really representative of homosexuality (and as suggested, I think there's a good deal of fetishization that can occur here, which does get tiring), so I'm not actually sure how much "good" it does in the long run; I tend to dismiss it as harmless entertainment, regardless. (But if they write or draw that stuff while condemning homosexuality in real life, then they're just terrible people.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We can't get everything we want in this world. The same goes for games. People should have NEVER assumed Inquisition was going to copy DA2's style. 

Why not? It is a sequel to that game. Thinking it will follow suit is a very rational thing to do. 

[AlexiaRevan]

But weren't peoples unhappy with everyone being Bi in DA2 ? then they whined that the game had the same map ? Thats like saying if Mass effect 4 come out and it is a sequel...so therefor it should copy the Mass effect 3 ending . When peoples hated it...

well unless I'm misunderstanding here 

[Melca36]

Why not? It is a sequel to that game. Thinking it will follow suit is a very rational thing to do. 

 

Bioware NEVER does the same thing twice. The fact it  was going to be a new game engine was enough for me to realize it was not going to be like DA2.

 

They have the right to write the characters the way they wish.   Its selfish of people to expect to be catered to.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's super rude to talk about your own oppression when you're actually the privileged one, okay? Keep that in mind. Be emotional, be sad, but don't go to the "straight males are discriminated" route. The route doesn't even exist.,. geez...

This is incorrect. There is such a thing as discrimination against straight males.

[JadePrince]

Why can't people learn to adapt?

 

I plan to romance Sera and Josephine with female Inquisitors.    I will roll a male for Dorian. I will roll an elf for Solas.

My sexuality is not a determining factor at how I will play this game.

 

People are acting as if the way the characters are set up was intentionally done to hurt a portion of the fandom.      

 

And in all honesty, I think its selfish to demand the writers change their lore/writing.

 

There are things that I'd love to have/see in the game but I don't expect to be catered to.  Its just not how it works.

 

1) I think straight male gamers sometimes have trouble "adapting" simply because they've never HAD to. Almost every other game lets them, by default play as straight males. So Bioware games might be some of the first that they're faced with having to play something else to get access to the content they want. I'm not saying this because I empathize with them-- I don't. I don't feel sorry for people who've always gotten what they want every other time but once. But I do understand how it might be difficult for them to 'adapt' until there's more of a history of straight men having to play something other than straight men (I'm all for more non-RPGs games that put people in the role of a woman, or an LGBT protagonist).

 

2) Asking other groups to just "learn to adapt" is showing a lack of understanding about why that's not a simple thing to do for everyone. For example: gay/lesbian people are GREAT at having to adapt. They've adapted to playing straight protagonists for decades-- they never really have a choice. It was either play a straight (usually male) protagonist or play no games at all. I'm not sure where you fall, but if you're in the LGBT spectrum and it doesn't bother you to always have to play straight protagonists, then you're lucky, but don't assume that the rest of us have (or should be expected to have) the same comfort level. 

 

For me, a trans guy, telling me to just "adapt" to playing a female is difficult to hear. I've have to "play" female all my life. Playing female in game is actually damaging to me. It reinforces all the little things I encounter on a daily basis in RL that remind me I'm a freak. Being called "she" or "Lady" goes straight to my gut, reminds me that the rest of the world, in Real Life, sees me in a way that feels deeply wrong. In a game world, I can't correct them, so I chose to play men because that is the only way I can feel right. If there are romances locked only to women, those cease to be options for me, because I can't play them unless I want my gaming experience to be emotionally damaging. I think we can all agree that games are supposed to be fun.

[Melca36]

Good thing i never met a girl like that....Its usually males who are like: "gays are disgusting,while lesbians are hot." Guess i'm just associating with the right group of girls

 

My brother was bashed by straight F/F fans for not being on the Kaidan/mShep train.  He personally HATED the romance.

 

He was more comfortable and happy with mShep/Cortez.      Alot of straight fans forget the fact that people have preferences.  To assume he was supposed to like mSHep/Kaidan because he is gay is just ridiculous.

[Gwydden]

Why not? It is a sequel to that game. Thinking it will follow suit is a very rational thing to do. 

You mean like how thinking DA2 would have different playable races was a very rational thing to do?

[Hellion Rex]

Why can't people learn to adapt?

For some people, it's not as easy you make it sound. I tried to use a female character to romance Alistair, and I felt weird, it felt wrong to me. I understand Alistair was straight, and I get it, I really do. But I, a gay guy, felt so off put trying to play a female character to romance him, I could barely get past Ostagar.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Bioware NEVER does the same thing twice. The fact it  was going to be a new game engine was enough for me to realize it was not going to be like DA2.

 

They have the right to write the characters the way they wish.   Its selfish of people to expect to be catered to.

I wouldn't say never. There are things that have become Bioware staples.

 

I never said otherwise, just that there is nothing wrong with people thinking DAI would copy its predecessor.

 

You mean like how thinking DA2 would have different playable races was a very rational thing to do?

Until it was confirmed otherwise, yes. 

[Milana]

My brother was bashed by straight F/F fans for not being on the Kaidan/mShep train.  He personally HATED the romance.

 

He was more comfortable and happy with mShep/Cortez.      Alot of straight fans forget the fact that people have preferences.  To assume he was supposed to like mSHep/Kaidan because he is gay is just ridiculous.

I liked mShep/Cortez too,but his romance was a bit short compared to other romances(the same goes for Traynor),thats why i always pick Liara for my female and Kaidan for male character, because those romances have clearly more content...and how people can be bashed for liking one character or ship more than the other is beyond my comprehension.

[Ianamus]

Why not? It is a sequel to that game. Thinking it will follow suit is a very rational thing to do. 

 

This argument holds absolutely no weight with regards to the romances. 

 

In all of the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series up to and including Inquisition no two games have the same LI distribution.

[Hellion Rex]

My brother was bashed by straight F/F fans for not being on the Kaidan/mShep train.  He personally HATED the romance.

What in God's name is wrong with those people? I ship Kaidan/mShep to hell and back, but I'd never bash a person over not liking it.

[Steelcan]

I only bash people who like Liara, may she burn in the fires of Hades for all eternity

[Hellion Rex]

I only bash people who like Liara, may she burn in the fires of Hades for all eternity

Them's fighting words, man. Liara was my best friend in ME3.

[Kimberly]

This is argument holds absolutely no weight with regards to the romances.

In all of the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series up to and including Inquisition no two games have the same LI distribution.

Right, DAO had 2 straight & 2 BI. DA2 had everyone BI. Both different. I don't understand why anyone was expecting the all BI cast in DAI, when both previous games were different in that regard. It made sense, at least to me, to start adding in set sexualities.

[Melca36]

What in God's name is wrong with those people? I ship Kaidan/mShep to hell and back, but I'd never bash a person over not liking it.

Thats the thing...it was only the straight female fans who ship mShep/Kaidan who bashed him.   

 

 

He wrote a very elegant but long post on why mShep/Kadian did not click with him. He did not bash anyone for liking them. He explained his reasons for not liking them and was bashed to hell and back for it.

[byne]

I only bash people who like Liara, may she burn in the fires of Hades for all eternity

 

You like Miranda though. Thats like Jacob fans bashing Garrus fans.