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[Steelcan]

You like Miranda though. Thats like Jacob fans bashing Garrus fans.

#Mirandaloriansforlife

[umadcommander]

You like Miranda though. Thats like Jacob fans bashing Garrus fans.

no one is as bad as jacob

 

the damn creators forgot he was a romancable character, thats how crap he was

[Steelcan]

no one is as bad as jacob

 

the damn creators forgot he was a romancable character, thats how crap he was

they did the same with Thane, and he was created to be a romance, the whole drell race existed for that

[byne]

no one is as bad as jacob

 

the damn creators forgot he was a romancable character, thats how crap he was

 

You liked Shizune though.

[Steelcan]

you did what Umad

 

there is no amount of disappoint I can express that adequately covers this

[umadcommander]

they did the same with Thane, and he was created to be a romance, the whole drell race existed for that

yeah but they fixed the jacob problem by having him bang someone else, which i find hilarous ^^

[devSin]

Thats the thing...it was only the straight female fans who ship mShep/Kaidan who bashed him.   
 
He wrote a very elegant but long post on why mShep/Kadian did not click with him. He did not bash anyone for liking them. He explained his reasons for not liking them and was bashed to hell and back for it.

People bashing your brother for not doing the gay romance they liked is not the same as people romanticizing and fetishizing gay relationships while attacking or insulting lesbian relationships (or while condemning actual homosexuality).

Also, communities can tend to be insular, so there's always risk of being less well regarded if you're against the majority (if he's hanging out in some community that tends to focus on Kaidan, he's probably not going to find much of an audience for talking about how great Steve is). This again is not the same as individuals fantasizing about gay people whilst demeaning them in reality.

It honestly sounds like your brother was just dealing with typical fandom.

[AlexiaRevan]

I only bash people who like Liara, may she burn in the fires of Hades for all eternity

Ohhh take that back before I hit you with a singularite !!!!!!!!!!!  

[WildOrchid]

I only bash people who like Liara, may she burn in the fires of Hades for all eternity

 

 

Leave Liara alone!

[phantomrachie]

This is incorrect. There is such a thing as discrimination against straight males.

 

Much of the discrimination against straight males comes as a result of stereotypes against other people.

 

For example: Men don't get custody of the children as often as women do, this is a side effect of women being stereotyped as the primary caregivers in a child's life, the argument goes that men can't be proper caregivers because they are too career focused so women should been given custody.

 

This thought process is of course wrong, but it is as a result of the sexist stereotype that only women can look after kids and men are rubbish at it.

 

If this stereotype didn't exist then there would be no cultural reason for men to be given custody less often.

[Hellion Rex]

Thats the thing...it was only the straight female fans who ship mShep/Kaidan who bashed him.   

 

.....wut?

[byne]

Much of the discrimination against straight males comes as a result of stereotypes against other people.

 

For example: Men don't get custody of the children as often as women do, this is a side effect of women being stereotyped as the primary caregivers in a child's life, the argument goes that men can't be proper caregivers because they are too career focused so women should been given custody.

 

This thought process is of course wrong, but it is as a result of the sexist stereotype that only women can look after kids and men are rubbish at it.

 

If this stereotype didn't exist then there would be no cultural reason for men to be given custody less often.

 

Am I misunderstanding you or are you really saying discrimination against men is due to sexism against women?

[AlexiaRevan]

 

This thought process is of course wrong, but it is as a result of the sexist stereotype that only women can look after kids and men are rubbish at it.

Allow me to say , that this issue isn't always due to the stereotype of women being better care giver . There is also the burden of responsabilitie and the fact that a child or childrens are a full time job , that not everyone feel like taking and they usualy ditch the responsability . And I'm speaking from my own personal experience . My father is a good exemple , who refused the responsabilitie his whole life , and ditched us because he refused to take responsabilitie . Oh sure , as we grow beyond the 5 year old age he started participating . But his fear or watever was making him behave like that was for everyone to see and it showed it ugly head whenever one of us got sick..instead of taking us to a doctor , he just rush to ditch us back to our mother for her to take care of it . 

[Nimlowyn]

For some people, it's not as easy you make it sound. I tried to use a female character to romance Alistair, and I felt weird, it felt wrong to me. I understand Alistair was straight, and I get it, I really do. But I, a gay guy, felt so off put trying to play a female character to romance him, I could barely get past Ostagar.

This, and JadePrince's post too. A player's choice of PC is a personal preference, which can exist for any number of reasons, and aught to be respected. (I'm not uncomfortable playing males, I'm disinterested, but even if I *were* uncomfortable, why must I be looked down upon, who cares? That's my business, and I may have good reason to feel that way). I don't think it is a player's personal preference that is open to critique, but their attitude about it. I'm much less interested in hanging out with the "Look at me I'm so open minded, all you bitches have issues" crowd than the crowd that enthusiastically discusses their play style in a manner that doesn't have to be dismissive of others. 

[daveliam]

Yeah, I have to weight in and support those who are saying that there's absolutely nothing wrong with a player self-limiting their characters by gender or sexuality.  To each his/her own.  No one should be told that they are playing the game wrong.  It's still role-playing.  I'm not a dwarf or a qunari or a warrior or a mage or do I live in Thedas.  I could go on and on.  Just limiting by gender and sexuality does not mean that a person isn't role-playing still.

 

The other thread that's talking about this suggests that it's just as common (if not more common) to play the same gender/sexuality as yourself for the majority of the playthroughs.  Only a very small number of people in that thread indicate that they are just as willing to mix up gender and sexuality as they are to play their own.

[franciscoamell]

We can't get everything we want in this world. The same goes for games. People should have NEVER assumed Inquisition was going to copy DA2's style. 

I know that. And it's ok. And after some time to cool down, I do respect Bioware's decision to handle the LI distribution the way they did. But it's still now how I personally would prefer things to go, is that so wrong? Am I not even allowed to share my opinion now?

[Darkfighter99]

Hmm... I was stuck between vivienne and cassandra, but looks like I don't have to choose

anymore so that's a relief and at the same time, a little disappointing.

but I can't wait to actually play the game to meet the companions.

[phantomrachie]

Am I misunderstanding you or are you really saying discrimination against men is due to sexism against women?

 

I'm saying that discrimination against men is not typically due solely to the fact that they are men but is often linked with a stereotype against women.

 

when a man displays unmanly treats, he is often called a woman or a girl, like its the worse insult possible.

 

Basically the discrimination tends to happen when men are seen to be acting 'like women' i.e. looking after their children, crying, working in roles seen to be for women.

 

Were as women get discriminated against for both behaving like men and for behaving like women. A woman being career focused, is seen as bossy, a woman wearing a short skirt is a ****.

 

Either way it is terrible.

 

Allow me to say , that this issue isn't always due to the stereotype of women being better care giver . There is also the burden of responsabilitie and the fact that a child or childrens are a full time job , that not everyone feel like taking and they usualy ditch the responsability . And I'm speaking from my own personal experience . My father is a good exemple , who refused the responsabilitie his whole life , and ditched us because he refused to take responsabilitie . Oh sure , as we grow beyond the 5 year old age he started participating . But his fear or watever was making him behave like that was for everyone to see and it showed it ugly head whenever one of us got sick..instead of taking us to a doctor , he just rush to ditch us back to our mother for her to take care of it . 

 

I was working from the hypothesis that both the mother and father were equally willing to take care of a child. As you pointed out there are fathers and mothers who just don't want to take responsibility.

[Not a Cat Doll]

This, and JadePrince's post too. A player's choice of PC is a personal preference, which can exist for any number of reasons, and aught to be respected. (I'm not uncomfortable playing males, I'm disinterested, but even if I *were* uncomfortable, why must I be looked down upon, who cares? That's my business, and I may have good reason to feel that way). I don't think it is a player's personal preference that is open to critique, but their attitude about it. I'm much less interested in hanging out with the "Look at me I'm so open minded, all you bitches have issues" crowd than the crowd that enthusiastically discusses their play style in a manner that doesn't have to be dismissive of others. 

I agree with this. To me, much of this comes down to the question: "Why shouldn't women and LGBTQIA players be allowed the same luxury of playing self-insert characters (a phrase that I do not use as a pejorative) as straight male gamers?" I don't play self-insert characters all that often, but I refuse to accept a lecture from someone admonishing me to be a better role-player in order to accommodate a lack of options, because that's what I did for years, before companies deigned to acknowledge my presence. I already know all about role-playing, thanks.

[ElitePinecone]

Custody battles are relevant to romances in DA:I how exactly?

[byne]

Custody battles are relevant to romances in DA:I how exactly?

 

The fade ripping open is just misdirection, the real plot will be a lengthy court battle for custody of Morrigan's old god baby.

[franciscoamell]

The fade ripping open is just misdirection, the real plot will be a lengthy court battle for custody of Morrigan's old god baby.

Loghain, Alistair and the Warden all appear on Maury to make a DNA test and see who's the real baby daddy.

[Pierce Miller]

The fade ripping open is just misdirection, the real plot will be a lengthy court battle for custody of Morrigan's old god baby.

I want Phoenix Wright to represent me.

[phantomrachie]

Custody battles are relevant to romances in DA:I how exactly?

 

My fault, I was using it as an example of something.