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[Steelcan]

never change BSN

[BartDude52]

Games like Inquisition should actually cater more to straight males because we're the main group that actually buy these games - if no straight male buys the game and Bioware had to rely purely on sales made by the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games then the game would flop commercially, I'd wager. Don't get me wrong, video games like Inquisition aren't only for straight males - of course not - and I think it's nice that everyone will have options, but with regards to things like romance options we straight males should really in all honesty be getting the most options (it doesn't necessarily have to be significantly more, maybe at least one or two more?), which to me is absolutely fair considering that Bioware is getting most of their money from sales from people like myself.

[Nimlowyn]

.....INCOMING!

[Shinobu]

I have not waded through all 124 pages of feedback.

 

My take: I'm glad that the LIs have orientations instead of being "Inquisitor-sexual" the way the LIs in DA2 were all "Hawke-sexual." That solution to the lack of gay content just seemed artificial and, for lack of a better word, inauthentic.

 

I'm glad people who want to play as gay characters have special LIs just for them.

 

I'm glad to see female characters get a wealth of LIs, especially after ME3 where it was possible for a straight FemShep to have NO love interest at all if Kaidan was killed on Virmire and Garrus was not romanced in ME2.

 

I'm glad to see LIs who are in their 40s.

 

I'm glad to see LIs of different races/species.

 

I feel that many issues people have had with romances in the past are being addressed. Some still remain (e.g., lack of female dwarf LI) but good progress is being made. I think fans should keep advocating for content they would like, but also acknowledge how far we've come.

 

I don't wish for the the mechanic of "love interests" to be removed because of too much controversy. They are a large part of my enjoyment of Bioware games and something that sets Bioware games apart from games like Skyrim and The Witcher. In any case, I doubt they will ever be removed because of the amount of rabid interest they inspire. That intense interest can have down sides in causing dev headaches, but not enough to cause their abolition.

 

I'm not sure if any of the Lis interest me or if I will buy Inquisition at all (I probably will), but I'm glad to see LIs who look/act like real (flawed) people rather than digital blow up dolls just there to cater to the fantasies of gamers.

 

Kudos, Bioware.

[JadePrince]

Games like Inquisition should actually cater more to straight males because we're the main group that actually buy these games - if no straight male buys the game and Bioware had to rely purely on sales made by the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games then the game would flop commercially, I'd wager. Don't get me wrong, video games like Inquisition aren't only for straight males - of course not - and I think it's nice that everyone will have options, but with regards to things like romance options we straight males should really in all honesty be getting the most options (it doesn't necessarily have to be significantly more, maybe at least one or two more?), which to me is absolutely fair considering that Bioware is getting most of their money from sales from people like myself.

 

Have you ever considered that the reason straight men are the 'main group' who buys games is BECAUSE they are typically the demographic most catered to? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I believe it's entirely plausible that if games/marketing were as geared/catered toward women and LGBT people as they currently are toward straight men, that women/LGBT people would become the 'main group' that bought them.

 

I don't think women and LGBT folks are inherently less interested in games than straight men are. I just think a lot of us have taken a look at the games that offer women and LGBT folks a chance to feel included, seen how few games like that exist, and then have chosen to either pursue other hobbies, OR to stick with those few games that DO acknowledge our existence (such as Bioware's games).

[AlexiaRevan]

 

ames like Inquisition should actually cater more to straight males because we're the main group that actually buy these games - if no straight male buys the game and Bioware had to rely purely on sales made by the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games then the game would flop commercially, I'd wager. 

 You wager? So you don't know for real . You don't have proof right ? yet , it should be granted cose you are guessing merely ?

[Steelcan]

 You wager? So you don't know for real . You don't have proof right ? yet , it should be granted cose you are guessing merely ?

you can look at the BioWare stats on people who played FemShep/MaleShep, its heavily male skewed

[AlexiaRevan]

And...? that is not enough reason . They still take LGTB and womens money (it isn't like they are getting a coupon to get their game for free ). I don't see why a group should be favorite . 

[Hazegurl]

I'm not sure if the typical male MMO player is a good example of men playing as women, since in my experience its all about the breasts, also these female characters tend to be their alts rather than their main character, but perhaps you have a different experience. 

 

While you may have a point about MMO players, outside of that group and outside of the BSN, it is very rare to find a male gamer who will play as a women, unless the games protagonist is female and even then some people would avoid games with female protagonists because they don't want to play as a women.

 

The situation with femshep in ME3 is slightly different though, it is possible for her to have no LIs in ME3, which I would consider a limitation. And gay players only had one option in DA:I, which again I would consider limiting. 

 

I think as long as BioWare keep giving everyone at least two LIs to choose from, than any other complaints are due to the player limiting themselves rather than BioWare limiting them.

Regardless of their reasons they are playing as female characters. To say that men are never or rarely open to playing them is not really the truth. It doesn't matter if they are alts or mains. It doesn't lessen the fact that female characters are in fact being created and played by men. Outside of MMOs we have Lara Croft, Bayonetta, Ellie (DLC), Clementine, et al. If the game is good men willl play it no matter which gender is starring. I'm not saying men will always select a woman or have her as a main, it's just that I disagree with the opinion that they aren't open to playing female characters. 

 

As for FemShep,  I don't see how it's really different then the current opinion by some that players should just roll X gender for more content. If that's true for DA:I then it's also true for ME. If you choose to remain soley with one gender in a BW game then expect to have limited LI content (with the exception of DA2).

[JadePrince]

I think Bioware will be just fine if it doesn't cater to the straight guys. It's favoring straight women this time around, and I'll wager that it doesn't impact their sales negatively in the slightest. Bioware has a huge female and LGBT fanbase because they are making games unlike anyone else. I play very few games, but I'll always buy Bioware's because of their inclusivity. I bet there's lots of other people that picked up Dragon Age specifically because of the LGB content. I know a handful of them myself (me included).

 

Bioware is smart because they realized that queer people are a largely untapped market and we have money ready to throw at them. All they have to do is do better than every other game company. And lets be real, that's not hard to do! So yeah, I'm not worried about Bioware bottom line at all.

[DragonRacer]

Games like Inquisition should actually cater more to straight males because we're the main group that actually buy these games - if no straight male buys the game and Bioware had to rely purely on sales made by the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games then the game would flop commercially, I'd wager. Don't get me wrong, video games like Inquisition aren't only for straight males - of course not - and I think it's nice that everyone will have options, but with regards to things like romance options we straight males should really in all honesty be getting the most options (it doesn't necessarily have to be significantly more, maybe at least one or two more?), which to me is absolutely fair considering that Bioware is getting most of their money from sales from people like myself.

 

Good to know your dollar counts as more money than my dollar does.

 

Anecdotal story, I know, but my husband doesn't purchase/play DA games. I, his wife, do and am the sole giver of monies to BioWare in this household. Considering that I also was the one to purchase his copy of ME3 as well as mine on release day (and later, my PC and XBox 360 copies of it).

[Steelcan]

And...? that is not enough reason . They still take LGTB and womens money (it isn't like they are getting a coupon to get their game for free ). I don't see why a group should be favorite . 

but it is evidence for the market being more male skewed than people like to say

[Iakus]

Once again:

 

Everyone has at least two choices.  Some have more, yes, but everyone still has multiple options

 

Why is this a problem?

[Shinobu]

Have you ever considered that the reason straight men are the 'main group' who buys games is BECAUSE they are typically the demographic most catered to? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I believe it's entirely plausible that if games/marketing were as geared/catered toward women and LGBT people as they currently are toward straight men, that women/LGBT people would become the 'main group' that bought them.

 

I don't think women and LGBT folks are inherently less interested in games than straight men are. I just think a lot of us have taken a look at the games that offer women and LGBT folks a chance to feel included, seen how few games like that exist, and then have chosen to either pursue other hobbies, OR to stick with those few games that DO acknowledge our existence (such as Bioware's games).

 

QFMFT.

 

I've pretty much only bought Bioware games for the past 10 years because I can play as a non-hypersexualized woman. Bioware, you're poised to make inroads in a whole new gamer demographic: the non-18-25 year old non-straight non-white non-male demographic.

 

BartDude does have a valid point. If 80% of your fanbase is 18-25 year old straight white males, then it makes sense not to alienate them. But I doubt a significant portion of the fans will boycott because female elves have more options than they do.

[Steelcan]

Once again:

 

Everyone has at least two choices.  Some have more, yes, but everyone still has multiple options

 

Why is this a problem?

because those options are the source of some disagreement

[Ravensword]

I think Bioware will be just fine if it doesn't cater to the straight guys. It's favoring straight women this time around, and I'll wager that it doesn't impact their sales negatively in the slightest. Bioware has a huge female and LGBT fanbase because they are making games unlike anyone else. I play very few games, but I'll always buy Bioware's because of their inclusivity. I bet there's lots of other people that picked up Dragon Age specifically because of the LGB content. I know a handful of them myself (me included).

 

Bioware is smart because they realized that queer people are a largely untapped market and we have money ready to throw at them. All they have to do is do better than every other game company. And lets be real, that's not hard to do! So yeah, I'm not worried about Bioware bottom line at all.

Be aware that this is what would be called enlightened self-interest.

[Not a Cat Doll]

.....INCOMING!

Oh god, this thread...sometimes, I'm just sitting here, like

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[JadePrince]

but it is evidence for the market being more male skewed than people like to say

 

Again, the market is only skewed because the game companies CHOSE to make it skewed toward men. Straight males are not inherently more likely to like playing games. There's nothing about the male brain/anatomy that makes him more likely to buy games. Men buy more games because game companies have chosen to make games that cater to/appeal to them/star straight male protagonists. I honestly believe if gaming as an industry was marketed/catered to women or LGBT people, then those groups would buy the most games. Would it be a risk to cater only to LGBT people? Probably, since they don't make up the same numbers as men do. However, there are at least as many women populating the planet as men, and their money is just as good. It's a valid, untapped market. I'm just waiting for the game companies to figure that out and take the chance. I mean, come on, if a game was made/marketed toward women, it'd have virtually no competition on the market. Women wouldn't have to decide between this game or that game or 50 other games starring women, because there wouldn't BE 50 other female-lead games on the market-- the likelihood of them buying your female-lead game is much better. 

 

All I'm saying is that women and LGBT are ready to give our money to whoever acknowledges us. Right now, all my gaming money goes to Bioware, and I bet there are others like me. Why don't game companies want our money? Bioware could stand to have a little competition on the LGBT/female gamers market, I think. 

[dragondreamer]

I'm not sure if any of the Lis interest me or if I will buy Inquisition at all (I probably will), but I'm glad to see LIs who look/act like real (flawed) people rather than digital blow up dolls just there to cater to the fantasies of gamers.

 

The idea that someone who is bi/pan/non-defined in their sexuality or doesn't talk about their sexuality, is flawed, or a "blow up doll" is really awesome to hear over and over again.  Representation for different sexualities is good, but I really wish people would stop framing it as a victory against "unrealistic" people.  This and the sentiment that "straight" Solas is better than a "bi/pan" Solas would be because of reasons that sound suspiciously like the whole "bi people are all promiscuous" bs is a reason I can't stand to be over in that thread anymore. 

[JadePrince]

Be aware that this is what would be called enlightened self-interest.

 

*rolls eyes* I know... it's just too much to hope for that someone else in the industry wakes up and smells the female/LGBT POTENTIAL CASH FLOW. 

[CrimsonN7]

Games like Inquisition should actually cater more to straight males because we're the main group that actually buy these games - if no straight male buys the game and Bioware had to rely purely on sales made by the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games then the game would flop commercially, I'd wager. Don't get me wrong, video games like Inquisition aren't only for straight males - of course not - and I think it's nice that everyone will have options, but with regards to things like romance options we straight males should really in all honesty be getting the most options (it doesn't necessarily have to be significantly more, maybe at least one or two more?), which to me is absolutely fair considering that Bioware is getting most of their money from sales from people like myself.

 

Straighty will be alright, straighty is gonna make it.

[Iakus]

because those options are the source of some disagreement

What like "I don't want to romance Cassandra, I want Sera?"

 

That's just being disappointed in particular characters.  That would happen no matter how many choices were available.

 

You could make every single character in DAI romanceable and you'd still get people complaining how all the choices are ugly/there's not enough options for me/X group has being catered to better than my group/The Witcher did it better.

[Lenimph]

Once again:

 

Everyone has at least two choices.  Some have more, yes, but everyone still has multiple options

 

Why is this a problem?

Sera likes tacos and not sausages. That's the problem.

[AEve1]

Games like Inquisition should actually cater more to straight males because we're the main group that actually buy these games - if no straight male buys the game and Bioware had to rely purely on sales made by the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games then the game would flop commercially, I'd wager. Don't get me wrong, video games like Inquisition aren't only for straight males - of course not - and I think it's nice that everyone will have options, but with regards to things like romance options we straight males should really in all honesty be getting the most options (it doesn't necessarily have to be significantly more, maybe at least one or two more?), which to me is absolutely fair considering that Bioware is getting most of their money from sales from people like myself.

Well yeah the game would flop if no straight men bought it. It would also flop if "the women and LGBT people that buy these kind of games" didn't buy it. Because we're half the market demographic. But even if we have been significantly less than half of the player base in previous games (which I'm skeptical about, at least for DA2), in the context of this question it doesn't matter, because the amount of money Bioware can make by persuading non-straight-dudes to play their game is VASTLY more than the amount of money they could lose from a couple dozen guys quitting the franchise because they "only" have two romance options. The majority of players won't even KNOW whether they have more or less choice than other groups would have, because they'll only pay attention to their own flirt options, and they'll only play one possible combo.

[Steelcan]

What like "I don't want to romance Cassandra, I want Sera?"

 

That's just being disappointed in particular characters.  That would happen no matter how many choices were available.

 

You could make every single character in DAI romanceable and you'd still get people complaining how all the choices are ugly/there's not enough options for me/X group has being catered to better than my group/The Witcher did it better.

or some lovely combinations of them all for bonus points