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[CrimsonN7]

I didn't buy a system for DA2, but DA2 is the first Bioware game I played because that was the one my friend were currently talking about. And they told me I could play as a gay man and romance another man. So yeah, DA2 was my intro to Bioware too. I loved it and I still love it.

 

(EDIT: okay technically I played NWN, but that was a looong time ago and I didn't even realize it was a Bioware game at the time)

 

You played em the wrong way around ouch, if I played DA2 first don't think I'd touch another DA game myself.

[Br3admax]

You played em the wrong way around ouch, if I played DA2 first don't think I'd touch another DA game myself.

/dislikes

 

Why do you keep doing this, Crimson? 

 

 

Anyway, yeah, I played DA2 first, as well. Loved it. Still love it. I'm playing it right now.

[CuriousArtemis]

If he/she enjoyed the game that much to enter gaming in general, is it really for you to judge?

 

Oh I wasn't just entering gaming I've been playing games since I was a wee one, back when we had a Commodore 64. Then Nintendo, Sega, Dreamcast, PS2... but those systems were always given to my brother because he was a boy. It took BioWare, and a mild quarter-life crisis to get me to finally be bold enough to buy my own system. Previously, as an adult, I played on other people's systems. Like I was part of an awesome Halo party that happened once a month. Good times

[CrimsonN7]

/dislikes

 

Why do you keep doing this, Crimson? 

 

 

Anyway, yeah, I played DA2 first, as well. Loved it. Still love it. I'm playing it right now.

 

There are so many things wrong with this viewpoint I don't even know where to start.

[Nimlowyn]

/dislikes

 

Why do you keep doing this, Crimson? 

 

 

Anyway, yeah, I played DA2 first, as well. Loved it. Still love it. I'm playing it right now.

/likes

 

I started with DAO. It was pretty good. I adore DA2. Still adore it. In fact, I'm finishing my canon playthrough for Inquisition right now. 

[CrimsonN7]

This thread has taken a horrifying turn.

[DragonRacer]

You played em the wrong way around ouch, if I played DA2 first don't think I'd touch another DA game myself.

 

Crimson, mah feelz

 

[Hazegurl]

A lot of people praise DA2's system and talk about how much they wish it was back, despite it resulting in pretty much no representation for anyone whatsoever. People also don't say that Blackwall/Vivienne should have been a bisexual LI because they want more bisexual representation in the game, they just want more romance options. 

 

I praise the DA 2 system because I just want to romance whomever I want in my fantasy rpg.  I love seeing a M/M or F/F releationship in the media exist that is just a normal story and not all about making a statement. That's what DA2 was to me. My Hawke had a story that had nothing at all to do with him being gay and him falling for Fenris didn't suddenly make being gay the end all be all of his life. I hope I can play DA:I the same way. In DAO, I was a bit disappointed by Zev preferring women. I felt like he was made for the female warden more than anything. I don't even think Leliana mentions preferring men.

 

As for Blackwall and Vivienne. That's how it should be, imo. It doesn't have to be a big political statement whenever someone wants a gay romance. It could just simply be "That character looks hot, I wanna see them with my Inquisitor."  now if having that mindset and speaking honestly and openly about it helps gay men and women get more representation then I'm a happy camper.

[dragondreamer]

I started with DA:O, but DA2 is actually my favorite in the series so far.  I've played through it way more than I have DA:O.

[nightscrawl]

That would depend on how many avid female and LGBT gamers there are within those respective communities. At present, BW is in the process of courting this demographic. It may inspire more females and gay people to want to play video games, and if successful at doing so, then you can expect more of such content from BW. That's just how it works.

 

Don't underestimate the power of allies as well. There are plenty of people who will support a business because they cater to (or at least don't discriminate against) LGBT, POC, and women. Look at that interracial Cheerios commercial. Most people didn't know or didn't care. When it got hate the positive response (in favor of Cheerios) was enormous.

[NextArishok]

Of course not. I played games before Bioware. I love games. But there was always something missing. Now that I know what I was missing (inclusivity, acknowledgement of my existence as a person and a consumer of games), yes, my small gaming budget goes almost exclusively to Bioware games (there are some exceptions, but they all are inclusive in some way or another, because those are the companies I want to support).

 

Also, there's no need to be rude. Pushing for representation and inclusion in a media I love is not being "bitter and annoyed". 

 

I don't even understand what you're trying to say to me with your last sentence. I'm pretty sure I never said that wanting to have sex with pixels is why people play games. 

 

HOWEVER, a game acknowledging that LGBT people exist, that LGBT romances exist, that women exist? Is a game I am much more likely to buy. *shrug*

You misunderstand.

 

I was not talking about sex in real life and sex in games. I'm saying that most every game I play doesn't even touch on relationships in a marriage or sexual way.  Now I do tend to favor shooters, but I will also play fighting games  from time to time and I do generally like RPGs.  Aside from Bioware games I am taxed to think of another game that even has a romance system.

 

I've been gaming for a lot of years and I see you talking about how you're excluded or not represented in games....and when I think of the games I play thats not even a part of the game.  It's go here and shoot this, save this town, trade for this many items.  Personal and character relationships don't even come into play.

 

From this I can only gather you view this as being excluded when from what I can see in along those lines nobody is included because the game doesn't go there. I replied to you because the way you posts come off (at least to me) is to say well you didn't give my personal preferences/choices a nod so I want to play games that do. Like you hold it against them.  I don't have a problem with people pushing for representation if its there.....but pushing for it or having a problem with it when there is no representation isn't right.

 

Now I haven't played every game out, but I have played a lot and that is my general view on it.  I guess you could say that you can get married in Skyrim.   Aside from Skyrim I can't think of another game that has an interest in that type of content other than Bioware. I haven't been a PC gamer for almost 10 years though so thats 1 area I do not know the details on the games.

[dragondreamer]

Oh I wasn't just entering gaming I've been playing games since I was a wee one, back when we had a Commodore 64. Then Nintendo, Sega, Dreamcast, PS2... but those systems were always given to my brother because he was a boy. It took BioWare, and a mild quarter-life crisis to get me to finally be bold enough to buy my own system. Previously, as an adult, I played on other people's systems. Like I was part of an awesome Halo party that happened once a month. Good times

 

I guess this was an advantage to having only sisters, the games were ours. *w*

[Br3admax]

There are so many things wrong with this viewpoint I don't even know where to start.

You can start by leaving.....

[DragonRacer]

You misunderstand.

 

I was not talking about sex in real life and sex is games. I'm saying that most every game I play doesn't even touch on relationships in a marriage or sexual way.  Now I do tend to favor shooters, but I will also play fighting games  from time to time and I do generally like RPGs.  Aside from Bioware games I am taxed to think of another game that even has a romance system.

 

I've been gaming for a lot of years and I see you talking about how you're excluded or not represented in games....and when I think of the games I play thats not even a part of the game.  It's go here and shoot this, save this town, trade for this many items.  Personal and character relationships don't even come into play.

 

From this I can only gather you view this as being excluded when from what I can see in along those lines nobody is included because the game doesn't go there. I replied to you because the way you posts come off (at least to me) is to say well you didn't give my personal preferences/choices a nod so I want to play games that do like you hold it against them.  I don't have a problem with people pushing for representation if its there.....but pushing for it or having a problem with it when there is no representation isn't right.

 

Now I haven't played every game out, but I have played a lot and that is my general view on it.  I guess you could say that you can get married in Skyrim.   Aside from Skyrim I can't think of another game that has an interest in that type of content other than Bioware. I haven't been a PC gamer for almost 10 years though so thats 1 area I do not know the details on the games.

 

Bethesda very briefly tipped a toe into it with Fallout: New Vegas. There aren't any relationships, per se, but you can pick perks that open up flirty dialogue with members of the opposite sex OR of the same sex. 

 

 

I guess this was an advantage to having only sisters, the games were ours. *w*

 

LOL. I guess that was the advantage of this tomboy being an only child... no brothers to steal my games away.

[Br3admax]

Bethesda very briefly tipped a toe into it with Fallout: New Vegas. There aren't any relationships, per se, but you can pick perks that open up flirty dialogue with members of the opposite sex OR of the same sex. 

 

Pfft. Relationships>keeping it casual with Red Lucy 

[CrimsonN7]

You can start by leaving.....

 

I could but I still have to tally up my privilege points first, lets see... I'm white so that's good but a woman not so good. Okies next, gay, oh dear, not much points for that hmm welp I boned. Might as well go then, won't win anything today.

[AEve1]

Now I haven't played every game out, but I have played a lot and that is my general view on it.  I guess you could say that you can get married in Skyrim.   Aside from Skyrim I can't think of another game that has an interest in that type of content other than Bioware. I haven't been a PC gamer for almost 10 years though so thats 1 area I do not know the details on the games.

"Inclusion" means more than just being able to actively pursue a romance with a person of your choice. Most games that include any sort of interpersonal relationships will at least mention some character's relationship. And overwhelmingly, that relationship is straight. How many story-based games are out there where the main character is male and has either a wife or girlfriend? How many games assume that the player is straight and male? How many games will include a male side character casually mentioning his wife?

Sadly, it's very rare to see a game that shows you a world where other relationships even exist. Things like Bioware games, Fallout:New Vegas, and Skyrim, where you can choose your protagonist's orientation and interact with people who are or are not romantically interested in you, are in the minority, but that doesn't mean that games without a romantic component are neutral in regard to sexuality.

[Ryzaki]

My first BW game was Neverwinter Nights. I had a 7 AM class back then and would wake up at 4 AM each day so I could be this bad ass Druid chick. I mean, at the time, I had always played JRPGs, which had set stories and characters, so making my own PC was totally new to me. And I didn't even know there was such a thing as romance until I got the Shadows of Undrentide expansion and my PC somehow got into this relationship with Valen Shadowbreath. I freaking adored it. Now I was not only this woman hero but my character could enter a relationship on her *own terms*...that was it, I was a Bioware fan for life.

 

I was a JRPG person too so the whole "OMG I can actually have conversations and choose how my character talks?" kind of blew my mind XD being able to be a female and have an LI was just the cheery on top.

 

But I admit that's why I do really like BW's romances. They're a very nice way of rounding out my character's well...character XD

[Hazegurl]

Well, I am a straight white man. I am also a Hispanic immigrant/refugee with several minor genetic diseases who lives in a house the size of an attic and below the line of poverty and gets on with life only through lots of government aid.

 

Please tell me more about how privileged I am?

 

And you know, I am privileged in some respects. I am smarter and healthier than the average, as well as ridiculously lucky. And yeah, I am straight and white and male. But I guarantee you, there are lots of women, PoC, and LGBTQ who are better off and more "privileged" than I am.

 

Romances in video games don't change any of that one way or the other. Just sayin'.

People tend to forget that wealth brings privileges not race, gender, or sexuality. At best those three things can open up more opportunities to obtain wealth but overall you're just garbage until you get that money. $$$

[Raikas]

So until Bioware included LGBT content in their games you never played games at all and now that they have you only play bioware games?  You don't purchase games by other devs?

 

It's good to have other hobbies.....its good to move on when something makes you so bitter and so annoyed you constantly have to complain about it.  At the end of the day if something is so negative to you its not good to dwell on it.

 

I don't think who you want to have sex with has ANY bearing on whether you like video games or not.  I don't think theres a single guy/woman that has said...omg thats a nice ass right there....makes me want to go play some Mario.  ever.

 

This isn't quite the same thing as what you're mocking here (although it does come back to the demographic representation piece), but I've met a solid number of women  in the 25-40 age range who left gaming as kids and as a result weren't aware of non-fixed protagonist current games, but got back into gaming when someone pointed out that these games exist.  And I think it makes sense that the same holds true for any host of demographic profiles that have felt alienated by some aspect of mainstream gaming (there's probably less of a gap in the younger groups, and in that case it's probably more keeping them from becoming alienated and hanging on to their buying power).

 

That untapped market is out there, so framing it as something as absurd as "nice ass on Mario" is bizarre (although from a business perspective, if the ass thing works, why not?).  Not everyone cares about the representation piece, but given that there are people who do, why wouldn't a company want to chase that market.  And specifically regarding the thread topic, the romance content that is overwhelmingly ignored by the existing buyer base (what was the stat on romances?  under 25%?), so why wouldn't they use that to expand their audience when it's not going to do anything to change the experience of the vast majority of the existing fanbase?  It seems win-win, no?

[Steelcan]

Here I am originally a FPS fan.  Halo led to Mass Effect which led to Dragon Age

[Zjarcal]

This thread has taken a horrifying turn.

 

This implies it ever stopped at a non horrifying corner.

 

I just wanna have my taco and eat it too.

[CrimsonN7]

This implies it ever stopped at a non horrifying corner.

 

I just wanna have my taco and eat it too.

 

I think tacos are in short supply here, but we got plenty of sausage to go around. Be happy Z.

[Lenimph]

This implies it ever stopped at a non horrifying corner.

 

I just wanna have my taco and eat it too.

I'll share tacos with you.

[Steelcan]

well this thread has seen the entire expanse of BSN in three hours, arguing about privilege, representation for women and LGBT gamers, DA2's quality, and now food euphemisms