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[byne]

Yes, because there are no equivalent myths about straight female sexuality leading to similar damaging consequences and there are no corrective rapes on straight women.

Not to mention that this kind of portrayal of lesbian women - as sexual tease for men in one way or another - is 90% of what's presented in the media - just since the end of last year 7 TV shows presented the hardcore "lesbian sleeping with a man" trope, in Riddick titular hero "converted" a lesbian and there's going to be movie with Al Pacino soon, about older man "turning" lesbian into his wifey.

 

 

Well then those women arent lesbians, they are bi, which does in fact exist. Its not lesbian or straight. Theres a whole spectrum. And while those myths definitely exist and corrective rapes do happen, I dont think Traynor contributes to any of that. When I first heard of Traynor I was expecting exactly what you are claiming Traynor is, and was pleasantly surprised at how she was actually a good character.

[Lady Shayna]

Regardless of whether you flirt with him in DAO, he always love the mage warden if that is your Origin. I don't see why bringing up Cousland. I'm saying the roance only happen if you have a mage warden. He's a bonus romance anyhow, so they have more freedom to play with him and Solas like maybe Solas wants to continue the dying elf race. 

 

Because he is still gated to elves and humans even if the mage Warden never existed - my Cousland is important because in my planned games, she is The Warden.  Therefore, this shouldn't be the reason he is race-gated, because it would not make sense in this case - or with male mages, or with elven or dwarven Wardens.

[noxpanda]

Of all the race gates, I think Cullen is the weirdest. I can understand any character being gated against Qunari though, that's just messed up.

Iron Bull should have been Qun-gated instead imo, but meh I wasn't planning on going near him anyway, lel

Good point, though we dont know to what extent iron bull doesnt like (or agree with) the qunari. It might be that he empathises with another qunari living outside the qun. Its diff to tell until we get the game in our hands and the chance to learn more about his character.

[Sporothrix]

and none of that is at all relevant to why Traynor is a romance

 

Was it ever? It seems that you try really hard to dismiss everything I write.

[nightscrawl]

They are limited in scope only in that they are restricted to certain races. Hence the "otherwise, they are the equal of the other romances."

Quoting for emphasis. I think it might have been an... unwise choice of words on Mike's part, knowing how people (sometimes deliberately) misinterpret things.

[just.somebody2]

What does suffering at the hand of demon have anything with the warden? In DA2. it stated that he still loves the warden. Well, I'm just guessing the condition, so it's not like I'm stating it as fact.

 

Don't you remember who the demon pretends to be if the Warden is a female mage? FMage warden is probably the last person he should see.

 

In DA2 he mentions the warden. He's sort of wistful about it and says he "never met someone like her again" or somesuch but I dunno if it quite counts as an ongoing crush and it's nover been a romance in the first place. Plus it's been YEARS. You'd want him to mope about his unrequited crush when he has a chance at a real romance?

 

Never said you were stating facts, dude. But it's unbased speculation and only the fact that he IS racegated is known, I was kinda trying to reassure you that you needn't worry just yet.

I just find that kind of condition to be pretty damn unhealthy from just about any perspective though. And it'd cheapen the actual romance with the Inquisitor.

[durasteel]

Oh, but Traynor is a device to cater to sexual desires. Of straight men apparently.

 

And I explained why it's problematic to me. I'm corrective rape survivor. You know what that means? At least respect my right to be angry because of the portrayal of lesbian characters as sexual tease for men.

 

I think we can all understand why you wouldn't tease a man sexually, but not all lesbians share your gruesome experiences. I have personally known people, including lesbians, gay men, and heterosexuals, who will enthusiastically tease and flirt with anyone who they think finds them attractive without regard for whether that attraction is mutual. Some people like attention and, fortunately, have not had the kind of trauma in their lives that would cause them to be averse to it.

 

It really sucks that someone did that to you. I wish your experiences reflected safety and acceptance. Everyone deserves it, some manage to get it, and some of them are really, really comfortable in their own skin... sometimes annoying so. If art holds a mirror up to life, some reflections will look like Traynor.

 

Now, I hear what you're saying right now about trends and overwhelming portrayals, but that's beyond the scope of this conversation and this thread. BioWare is working to make progress, and progress is good.

[OrayMoor]

I have to say, that I'm shocked that females got the most options, I really did not expect it...

Not sure, how I feel about it though...

On one hand I'm really happy that there allot of choices for female player, but one the other hand... Well I'd would have rather the choices be spread more evenly. 

I just guess I rather have more bi characters...

[Mabari-Master]

How come there's so few female options for male inquisitors? I hate to say that I'm disappointed but I am. There's only two of them, Josephine and Casssandra. Everyone else is either male, or unromanceable for males characters. What's the deal?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Thank you, Mike.

 

Now if Blackwall has the "the taint is getting worse, I'm going to my calling" ending to his romance I've been wanting I will be one happy girl.

 And if Iron Bull ends up heading back to Par Vollen or Qunadar....

 

Straight FemCadash and FemAdaar #ForeverAlone

[ebevan91]

I can understand that.  Unfortunately it's always going to happen to someone.  There are some that are bummed that their only romance options were Morrigan and Leliana, or Isabela and Merrill.

 

It sucks when it's you if you're really hoping for that but it's part of the challenges with creating content like this.

 

Now of course I do plan on playing as a female Inquisitor at least once, so it's not all that bad I guess.

[CIA]

Good point, though we dont know to what extent iron bull doesnt like (or agree with) the qunari. It might be that he empathises with another qunari living outside the qun. Its diff to tell until we get the game in our hands and the chance to learn more about his character.

 

It all depends on how he's written.

 

In Origins and 2, it's implied the Qunari are so strict in their beliefs that they themselves believe that they should commit sudoku if they go against the Qun. That mage from Act 1 comes to mind. However, Iron Bull seems to eat drink, f*ck and screw with everyone, even if they're a 'heretic' or 'outsider'.

 

I'm going to go with a nice passive 'we don't know jack until the game comes out'.

[Bioblitzer]

wheras Celene bats for the other team

exactly

[David Gaider]

How come there's so few female options for male inquisitors? I hate to say that I'm disappointed but I am. There's only two of them, Josephine and Casssandra. Everyone else is either male, or unromanceable for males characters. What's the deal?

 

You get as many options as everyone else (and as many as you've had previously), save the two extra options straight women possibly get (if they're playing elves or humans). Were you expecting more? No matter how many options we provide, there's no guarantee you'll find someone who appeals to you... even if you think they will/won't appeal right now, you haven't actually met them yet.

[just.somebody2]

Also, people, you just got told off by a dev for talking about ME in a DA thread.

 

Move, before it's closed.

[Battlebloodmage]

Don't you remember who the demon pretends to be if the Warden is a female mage? FMage warden is probably the last person he should to see.

 

In DA2 he mentions the warden. He's sort of wistful about it and says he "never met someone like her again" or somesuch but I dunno if it quite counts as an ongoing crush and it's nover been a romance in the first place. Plus it's been YEARS. You'd want him to mope about his unrequited crush when he has a chance at a real romance?

 

Never said you were stating facts, dude. But it's unbased speculation and only the fact that he IS racegated is known, I was kinda trying to reassure you that you needn't worry just yet.

I just find that kind of condition to be pretty damn unhealthy from just about any perspective though. And it'd cheapen the actual romance with the Inquisitor.

If you play the DLC, the other greywarden mentioned that Cullen still has feeling for the mage warden. I just find a connection between him and the races popular the tower in which there is no qunari or dwarves. If there is not it then I can't think of any reason for why Cullen is story race-gated against dwarves or qunari. As people already said, preference is not a story reason.

[themikefest]

I guess my first playthrough with my femquisitor human mage will be with Josephine

[byne]

Dwarf female master race. Romancing Josephine and no chance of accidentally flirting with Cullen? Yes please.

[Maria Caliban]

Because he is still gated to elves and humans even if the mage Warden never existed - my Cousland is important because in my planned games, she is The Warden.  Therefore, this shouldn't be the reason he is race-gated, because it would not make sense in this case - or with male mages, or with elven or dwarven Wardens.

Um, the character exists even if they don't become the Warden. That's why you can find the corpse of the dwarven casteless PC if you're playing a different Origin.

The difference is that Duncan wasn't there to pull you into the Wardens, so you probably died.

[Sporothrix]

Well then those women arent lesbians, they are bi, which does in fact exist. Its not lesbian or straight. Theres a whole spectrum.

 

Nope. All the examples of "lesbian sleeping with a man" trope were about characters who were introduced as lesbians, not bisexuals, but oftentimes I've seen fans of those shows pointing out at such argument, especially "but sexuality is fluid!" (which is funny because I'm familiar with the work of scientist who coined the term of "sexual fluidity", Lisa Diamond, and what she means by it is something completely different), ignoring that apparently according to the media it's fluid only when it comes to lesbians, and that it coincidentally it's also the old damaging homophobic myth about lesbians, that "they just need the right man" or "deep down lesbians need D".

[DiegoRaphael]

Wow, i was expecting Vivienne to be available...

 

Not only i found her personality more interesting (and that doesn't means that i liked it) but also i think she is the most good looking.

 

I don't like Cassandra, both visually and her personality, Josie i don't know much about her.

 

Since i don't like to pursue romance just for the sake of it, this may be the first Bioware game in the recent years that i don't have a romance at all, and for a long game like this, it will be weird!

 

And i don't know if this is good or bad. Probably just different.

[Mabari-Master]

Alright, fair point. I didn't mean to cause offense, and if I did i sincerely apologize to everyone at Bioware. I'm a huge fan and I don't mean to sound like an A-hole.

[Sporothrix]

You get as many options as everyone else (and as many as you've had previously), save the two extra options straight women possibly get (if they're playing elves or humans). Were you expecting more? No matter how many options we provide, there's no guarantee you'll find someone who appeals to you... even if you think they will/won't appeal right now, you haven't actually met them yet.

 

Those "extra" options are full fledged romances, right? With the same development budget and everything?

[iheartbob]

I just want to say thank you so much for all the amazing options.

 

To all the people complaining that they don't have as many options available to them, I'd just like to remind you that DA:O only had four total romances available to them. Playing a straight character meant you only had two available to you.

 

The ratio has vastly improved, don't you think?

 

I would have liked to have been able to romance Dorian, Cassandra, Vivienne or Varic but I can accept that my own personal decisions (not wanting to play a male character) and for storyline reasons they will be unavailable to me. But what can you do? This is only a game, after all.

 

So again ... thank you! I'm sure there will be plenty of nay-sayers out there but there are plenty of us who are just as grateful and happy with the available options.

 

ETA: misoretu9 I believe Gaider confirmed on page 3 that both Solas and Cullen are "full" romances like the original six, and are only considered "limited" in the sense that they are only available to certain characters.