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[The Elder King]

How old is the Inquisitor supposed to be? 30-odd?

Between 20-40.

[Gtdef]

I'd probably point out straight males make the gross majority of the gamers buying the game.

 

Dude that's irrelevant. You can't complain of catering to a particular group then pull this argument. This shouldn't matter anyway. What matters is that instead of giving more options to everyone, they focused their efforts on a smaller part. 

 

The only reason you get so much flak in this discussion is because you make this an us vs them, inviting justice warriors and dragging this for 50 pages.

[Pierce Miller]

Oh for Christ's sake.  Really?  Really?  You want to try to make it look like we're on even footing historically from Bioware games? 

 

Okay, bucko.  Here are the numbers (including DA: I):

 

Straight guys have had 32 female romance options.

Straight gals have had 30 male romance options.

Lesbians have had 11 female romance options.

Gay guys have had 8 male romance options.

There have been zero games where gay guys have had more options than straight guys.  There have been 2 games in which gay guys have had the same amount of options than straight guys.  There have been NINE games in which straight guys have had more options that gay guys.

 

Seriously, this line of reasoning is not going to do you any good because you are completely dead wrong about it.

You have to realise why he's angry though, we are not used to experiencing this.

[durasteel]

Dunno, I'm getting lots of responses and notifications. Surely that means some agree with me and some don't.

 

And it's not about feeling left out. Again, if straight females had 2 options I'd have no issue.

 

But they don't. They have twice the amount I have. Bioware's catering to them despite the past 2 dragon age games having MORE straight female options than male options.

 

So you can't say Bioware made them feel left out before.

 

Here's why your position is ridiculous (don't feel special, there are many other positions equally ridiculous in this thread.)

 

The options you're talking about do not pertain to you. These romance options pertain to the Inquisitor. You have access to all of them, as long as you are willing to make an inquisitor of the pertinent gender and species. You--just like every other person playing the game--have full access to every virtual sex scene in the game.

 

If you're not willing to make a female character, or an elf, or a human, or whatever--If you insist on playing a male dwarf warrior and that's the only character you're willing to generate--then your other options, like available romance, are limited. They're limited by you, not by the game, or by BioWare, or by the sinister female conspiracy to take over gaming.

 

If a companion or advisor is interested in phallic play-time, it is the Inquisitorial phallus that is the object of interest. Not yours. Get over it.

[RevilFox]

Christ, I'm not making a '' Look at me muh representation '' rant.

 

I'm pointing out Straight women have TWICE THE AMOUNT of romance options ANYONE ELSE has.

 

In  your opinion, could Bioware fix this issue by creating DLC that introduced two additional female characters that were romanceable by straight males and lesbians? 

[CIA]

Between 20-40.

Hm. It does seem a little weird to me that a ~20 year old would get with a 50~ year old grey warden that is about to die in the deep roads, but I'll roll with it

[daveliam]

You have to realise why he's angry though, we are not used to experiencing this.

 

And you have to realize why most of us are unsympathetic.  Not because you are getting less options.  I'm sympathetic to that, believe me.  But because it's become this "We are straight.  We are the majority.  We deserve this." argument.  If it was simply, "I'm bummed because I wish I had more options and I'm not happy that it's so lopsided", perhaps people would be more receptive.

[Hizoku]

Only 2 female choices for hetero male PC's? Buuu~   

A bit disappointing but at the least we get to romance Josephine, that should make us all feel better  

 

Still, my biggest gripe with the romance options is no elf love for male PC's  

[Lady Shayna]

Hm. It does seem a little weird to me that a ~20 year old would get with a 50~ year old grey warden that is about to die in the deep roads, but I'll roll with it

 

Blackwall is in his low 40s, I believe.  

[The Elder King]

Stop bringing Mass Effect into this just to have an argument. It's like saying I'll buy FIFA 15 because Madden 14 was good.
 
It doesn't make any sense.
 
We're talking about Dragon Age here.

In DA games, straight males got so far (Considering DAI as well), 6 options. Homosexuals got 5, regardless if they're male or female.

[Pierce Miller]

And you have to realize why most of us are unsympathetic.  Not because you are getting less options.  I'm sympathetic to that, believe me.  But because it's become this "We are straight.  We are the majority.  We deserve this." argument.  If it was simply, "I'm bummed because I wish I had more options and I'm not happy that it's so lopsided", perhaps people would be more receptive.

I can't understand why you're unsympathetic though as you've experienced this countless times. Perhaps you don't care but you have to understand some of us would be angry at this.

 

It's called empathy and we all need a serious dose of it right now.

[Sherbet Lemon]

 

I-I- for the first time in a Bioware Game (in my short time playing them as I don't have 14 years under belt like some) I have no IDEA WHO TO ROMANCE FIRST. Q_Q

 

So I just want to thank you guys for your hard, awesome work.

[AresKeith]

It isn't. You can race change in a future play. I can't bend my sexual preferences.

 

Cuz what's role-playing right?

[Pateu]

In  your opinion, could Bioware fix this issue by creating DLC that introduced two additional female characters that were romanceable by straight males and lesbians? 

 

That would take too long, creating characters from scrap.

 

All they have to do is make Solas and Sera bisexual. That's just adding a couple lines and changing a few.

[twincast]

I'm confused on how Cullen would be racist. I would say you should take it up with his writer, seeing as how he's not a real person, but his writer is awesome so don't go do that. Just because someone isn't into you doesn't make them a racist. Also, it could be Solas wants babehs, but without an official statement plainly saying that, I wouldn't assume that the only reason he could want a female elven inquisitor is so she can pop out his mini-me's, because apparently that's all women are good for, right? I mean, there couldn't be ANY other logical reason as to why he would want a female as his partner?Yeah, Kay.

 

Why couldn't he be? Just because he has a ridiculous amount of fangirls? Mind, if he is, they'll surely sugarcoat it along the ways of "I grew up among humans and elves, so..." which, sorry to say, is exactly what racism is, even if they failed to recognize it themselves.

A preference is just that, a preference, not a "personality or story"-based reason to not even consider dwarves or qunari. Personally, I don't exactly favor extremely pale (for looking sickly even when they aren't) or extremely dark (because of the high contrast between palms/soles and the rest) skin, nor am I all too comfortable with the idea of considerable height differences in a steady relationship, but that doesn't mean that those or most other factors (like the shape of various individual body parts) other than personality/character and face would result in an absolute no-go right from the start (well, morbid obesity, too). And we all know we can create certified abominations in these games and still have people have the hots for our PCs like nobody's business, so clearly facial features play no role in his affection/attraction, while our unchangeable bodies will all be fit/sexy enough. Therefore I certainly wonder what possible in-game explanation they could have that doesn't come across as racist compared to the other LIs that don't give a damn. I guess the likely fertility of their potential union might also be a (non-damning) factor here...

As for Solas, he didn't strike me before as someone who'd care much about doing his own part in preserving the elven race, but I really can see no other reason for him only going for elves.

Hmm... speaking of which, I guess Josephine and obviously Iron Bull (and maybe Sera) are the ones you can just have a fun fling with instead of getting all serious from the get-go.

 

It all depends on how he's written.

 

In Origins and 2, it's implied the Qunari are so strict in their beliefs that they themselves believe that they should commit sudoku if they go against the Qun. That mage from Act 1 comes to mind. However, Iron Bull seems to eat drink, f*ck and screw with everyone, even if they're a 'heretic' or 'outsider'.

 

I'm going to go with a nice passive 'we don't know jack until the game comes out'.

 

Somebody needs to draw fanart of a Qunari being forced to solve whole heaps of sudoku. XD

Seppuku is what you mean.

[Pateu]

Cuz what's role-playing right?

 

So if they deleted all romances and made all of them straight male I'd link you that and I'd be right, huh?

 

I mean, it's role-playing, better start enjoying that straight romance, mate.

[Lady Nuggins]

You have to realise why he's angry though, we are not used to experiencing this.

 

Okay.  It's fair to feel upset at this situation.  You're allowed to have emotions.  

 

What's not cool is the insistence that because you've always had more options, you should continue to always have more options every single time.  Especially when you're telling that to people who almost always have few or no options.  If you want to express that you're upset, that's fine.  If you want to advocate for fairness and equality, that's great.  But claiming that this situation is wrong because it's not unfair in your favour is not going to win you any awards.

[daveliam]

Stop bringing Mass Effect into this just to have an argument. It's like saying I'll buy FIFA 15 because Madden 14 was good.

 

It doesn't make any sense.

 

We're talking about Dragon Age here.

 

No.  We're talking about Bioware.  It's beyond just Dragon Age.  To use your own example, it would be like saying, "I only play Madden so no critique of EA can use evidence from FIFA".

 

And, to use your arbitrary DA only rule, then they play out like this:

 

Straight gals - 9 options

Straight guys - 6 options

Gay guys - 5 options

Lesbians - 5 options

 

Yes, it's skewed.  But straight gals haven't had twice the options in the series.  You've had more options than a lot of other people.  I sympathize that you are annoyed with the amount of options that you have, but you are hardly being treated like ****.  Especially given that there are multiple other groups that have had it worse than you.

[Pateu]

In DA games, straight males got so far (Considering DAI as well), 6 options. Homosexuals got 5, regardless if they're male or female.

 

And straight women got 9.

 

Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Sebastian, Fenris, Blackwall, Bull, Solas, Cullen.

[CIA]

Cuz what's role-playing right?

Jesus Christ, THIS

I'm not a f*cking Sith Lord. I'm not a Witcher who screws every broad in sight while hanging out with my dwarfbros, they're video games.

If you're that insecure, pretend you're the other character and you're wooing the PC

[Lak_Attack]

I agree that representation of a variety of characters is important.

 

But if we start nitpicking, and counting numbers on all groups (this many of that demographic, this much of the other) I think it destroys all the good a variety of representation can do, which is introduce the audience to characters from walks of life they are not familiar with. It fragments and deepens divides, rather than bring people together

 

I also wholeheartedly believe the Bioware team has done a fantastic job making a varied team of characters for us to interact and, yes, sometimes romance. In the grand scheme of things a characters sexuality is a small part of the greater whole. Does your sexuality define who you are to the very core and fiber of your being? I don't know dude, I don't know you. But I do know it doesn't for everyone, and I believe people should appreciate these characters for the interactions and stories they will weave, not just their sexualities

 

 

 

Kudos and a heartfelt salute and thank you to the writing team, art team, rigging team, animation and all other departments for the time, and work it took to make 8 full romances (the size of an entire original cast of DAO). 

[The Elder King]

I can't understand why you're unsympathetic though as you've experienced this countless times. Perhaps you don't care but you have to understand some of us would be angry at this.
 
It's called empathy and we all need a serious dose of it right now.

Daveliam literally said he's sympathetic to straight males, just not those who are angry becuase they think they deserve romance more becuase they're the majority.
And as a straight male I agree with him.