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[Pierce Miller]

Okay.  It's fair to feel upset at this situation.  You're allowed to have emotions.  

 

What's not cool is the insistence that because you've always had more options, you should continue to always have more options every single time.  Especially when you're telling that to people who almost always have few or no options.  If you want to express that you're upset, that's fine.  If you want to advocate for fairness and equality, that's great.  But claiming that this situation is wrong because it's not unfair in your favour is not going to win you any awards.

Did I insist that? No you assumed it because I voiced my opinion. It should be equal, always.

[RevilFox]

That would take too long, creating characters from scrap.

 

All they have to do is make Solas and Sera bisexual. That's just adding a couple lines and changing a few.

Well, no, that's changing their characters completely. 

 

But for the sake of argument, assume that Bioware was able to produce DLC that added this content in a reasonable amount of time, that would add these two new romances to the game. Would this satisfy you?

[Gtdef]

Cuz what's role-playing right?

 

This is wrong. Roleplaying doesn't mean you get to change everything about yourself. You should get more familiar with the concept.

[Pateu]

No.  We're talking about Bioware.  It's beyond just Dragon Age.

 

 

Who made you talk about Bioware? I'm talking about Dragon Age.

 

I'm not even sure the lead writers and devs of Mass Effect made Dragon Age as well.

 

They have nothing in common bar being RPGs and having the Bioware tag.

[Crimson_Rose07]

You get as many options as everyone else (and as many as you've had previously), save the two extra options straight women possibly get (if they're playing elves or humans). Were you expecting more? No matter how many options we provide, there's no guarantee you'll find someone who appeals to you... even if you think they will/won't appeal right now, you haven't actually met them yet.

I agree with Mr. Gaider. I was surprised and disappointed that Vivienne will not be a LI; but based on what the devs have said, I understand. The BioWare panel at GaymerX2, "Freaking out the Neighbors", gave a great deal of insight on the subject of LIs: revealing how they are created, what factors go into determining a LI's sexual preference, and so on. I recommend viewing it.

 

The devs stated before that they try to provide at least 2 LI options for each. They didn't promise we would like the options. This is understandable since there are a limited number of characters that have established personalities before the writers consider them as potential LIs. The BioWare panel at GaymerX2 revealed that a character's sexual preference is a part of who that character is and is not used to merely limit or expand the romance options in the game. IMO, the varied sexual preferences (bi/gay/straight) of the characters adds more realism to the game.  

 

The section of David Gaider's statement that I underlined I especially agree with and understand. When the LIs for DA2 were revealed I was a bit disappointed. The only one I thought I would be interested in was Anders, and that was because I knew a bit about him from Awakening. After playing the game and getting to know the characters, I found that I really liked Fenris and Isabella. Right now, I feel the least connection to Blackwall, Solas, and Josephine; but that's mostly because they are the characters I know the least about. I think we should give the characters a chance, since we "haven't actually met them yet."

 

Lastly, thanks to Mike for sharing this info; and a BIG THANK YOU to the entire BioWare team for all their hard and amazing work, and the care and concern they show for fans. Thanks again!       

[Pateu]

Well, no, that's changing their characters completely. 

 

 

Not at all. Sexuality doesn't define someone.

[Pierce Miller]

Daveliam literally said he's sympathetic to straight males, just not those who are angry becuase they think they deserve romance more becuase they're the majority.
And as a straight male I agree with him.

But because I'm a straight male and I voiced concern it's believed that I want more than everyone else. I want it to be equal, only fair.

[daveliam]

I can't understand why you're unsympathetic though as you've experienced this countless times. Perhaps you don't care but you have to understand some of us would be angry at this.

 

It's called empathy and we all need a serious dose of it right now.

 

I have empathy for someone who has less options in the game, regardless of their gender and sexuality.  I don't have empathy for people who try to make it seem as if they are being repressed or punished, when it's simply not the case.  I also don't have empathy for people who throw hissy fit tantrums on message boards.

 

Again, I have empathy for your situation.  I have no empathy for you (plural - not specific to you who I quoted) when you throw a fit and try to check in your "majority" card for extra benefits.

[The Elder King]

So if they deleted all romances and made all of them straight male I'd link you that and I'd be right, huh?
 
I mean, it's role-playing, better start enjoying that straight romance, mate.

Ares is a straight male (I think).

And straight women got 9.
 
Alistair, Zevran, Anders, Sebastian, Fenris, Blackwall, Bull, Solas, Cullen.

The debate with Daveliam was about comparison between straight males and homosexual males.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I continue to find it remarkably amusing how some are using the argument "We are X so we deserve more than Y," like it means anything.

 

Carry on.

[OrayMoor]

That would take too long, creating characters from scrap.

 

All they have to do is make Solas and Sera bisexual. That's just adding a couple lines and changing a few.

 

This is sentence is insulting to the game developers. You clearly have no idea into whats goes into making those game quest lines.

[Bat32391]

Huh thats a new one. Less romance options for dudes,I bet PR is having a field day.

[CIA]

They have nothing in common bar being RPGs and having the Bioware tag.

Dis ain't true

The goddamn dialogue wheel. Cancer of RPGs, IMO. Blatantly tells you the good, bad and love options.

I hope in the game party members judge you based on your actions rather than if you select all the 'paragon' choices during your therapy sessions

[Random]

Stop bringing Mass Effect into this just to have an argument. It's like saying I'll buy FIFA 15 because Madden 14 was good.

 

It doesn't make any sense.

 

We're talking about Dragon Age here.

You've brought it up yourself *facepalms*

 

It's unnacceptable to cater to a group where they have double the options compared to the gender-opposite group.

 

Even in Mass Effect, men never had THAT MANY options over women.

 

 

Well, I'm off to lurk in the Scribbles thread, where everything is about cute duck gifs. 

[Pierce Miller]

I have empathy for someone who has less options in the game, regardless of their gender and sexuality.  I don't have empathy for people who try to make it seem as if they are being repressed or punished, when it's simply not the case.  I also don't have empathy for people who throw hissy fit tantrums on message boards.

 

Again, I have empathy for your situation.  I have no empathy for you (plural - not specific to you who I quoted) when you throw a fit and try to check in your "majority" card for extra benefits.

Fair enough but even still I sympathise with those who are annoyed. 

[Pateu]

You get as many options as everyone else (and as many as you've had previously), save the two extra options straight women possibly get (if they're playing elves or humans). 

 

You're trying to hide the sheer number difference between their race.

 

Elves and Humans are the most popular races in Dragon Age.

 

Their gating is irrelevant since nearly everyone will play them.

[The Elder King]

Who made you talk about Bioware? I'm talking about Dragon Age.
 
I'm not even sure the lead writers and devs of Mass Effect made Dragon Age as well.
 
They have nothing in common bar being RPGs and having the Bioware tag.

  
For DAI two writers joined from ME3. And a lot of devs shift between the two projects depending on which is the one Bioware is more focusing on.

[Pateu]

This is sentence is insulting to the game developers. You clearly have no idea into whats goes into making those game quest lines.

 

Are you saying creating 2 characters from scratch is easier?

[durasteel]

And you have to realize why most of us are unsympathetic.  Not because you are getting less options.  I'm sympathetic to that, believe me.  But because it's become this "We are straight.  We are the majority.  We deserve this." argument.  If it was simply, "I'm bummed because I wish I had more options and I'm not happy that it's so lopsided", perhaps people would be more receptive.

 

I'm not sympathetic because I'm kind of turned on by the idea of generating a hornless female qunari and scissoring with Sera.

 

There, I said it.

[Pateu]

  
For DAI two writers joined from ME3. And a lot of devs shift between the two projects depending on which is the one Bioware is more focusing on.

 

I'm talking the lead writers, not some random guy that wrote for Vorcha Mercenary #397

[CIA]

 
Elves and Humans are the most popular races in Dragon Age.
 

U w0t m8

Dwarves have the most complexity in DA

[daveliam]

Daveliam literally said he's sympathetic to straight males, just not those who are angry becuase they think they deserve romance more becuase they're the majority.
And as a straight male I agree with him.

 

Exactly.  Thank you.

 

Who made you talk about Bioware? I'm talking about Dragon Age.

 

I'm not even sure the lead writers and devs of Mass Effect made Dragon Age as well.

 

They have nothing in common bar being RPGs and having the Bioware tag.

 

If you knew much about Bioware, you would understand that many of the DA writers and dev team have worked on many of their other projects, including Mass Effect.  But because it weakens your argument, you want to ignore it.  Fine, but just know that we all know that's why you are doing it.

 

But because I'm a straight male and I voiced concern it's believed that I want more than everyone else. I want it to be equal, only fair.

 

No.  Literally, just this morning, you said that Vivienne should be straight because you are straight and you want more options than everyone else.  Don't try to act like that this didn't happen just this morning. 

[tersalius]

As i said before this is indeed the DA game (and probably from all bioware games) with the least amount of romances options if you want to roleplay as a male PC and romance a female companion. No choices here this time, you only have cassandra.

 

Also we could have had 4 and 4 options between male and female romance options but we we got 5 to 3, not a fair distribution. Besides that we have the whole male and female distribution in the "companions department".

 

Well lets hope next time things will be better and more fair to everyone.

 

[Mihura]

Not at all. Sexuality doesn't define someone.

 

So wait are you a defender of DA 2 romances when everyone is bisexual? or only when you do not get options and others do.

[AresKeith]

Ares is a straight male (I think).

 

Yep