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[Ryzaki]

Exactly.  Thank you.

 

 

If you knew much about Bioware, you would understand that many of the DA writers and dev team have worked on many of their other projects, including Mass Effect.  But because it weakens your argument, you want to ignore it.  Fine, but just know that we all know that's why you are doing it.

 

 

No.  Literally, just this morning, you said that Vivienne should be straight because you are straight and you want more options than everyone else.  Don't try to act like that this didn't happen just this morning. 

 

LOL

 

Goddamn I wish I had some likes left.

[just.somebody2]

*peeks back in to say*

 

Sexuality is actually tied to who you are. It's part of it. The expression of it is a way one can relate to others. It's not the most vital part of what makes a person up but it's there.

 

So stop being wroooonnnggg, it hurts everybody's heads.

 

*nyooom*

[RevilFox]

Not at all. Sexuality doesn't define someone.

This is a completely separate debate. It's true that sexuality is not the defining characteristic of people, but it does have something to do with shaping the experiences of a person. If we go back and change me into a straight female, I'm going to live a very different life and, as my experiences will have changed, so will my personality and how I handle situations. Again, sexuality does not make me all of what I am, but it's a contributing factor. Saying that changing my sexual preference wouldn't have any effect on me is like saying changing my sex wouldn't have any affect on me. 

 

But you have still not answered my question. Would they be able to fix this perceived injustice with DLC?

[KC_Prototype]

I can understand that.  Unfortunately it's always going to happen to someone.  There are some that are bummed that their only romance options were Morrigan and Leliana, or Isabela and Merrill.

 

It sucks when it's you if you're really hoping for that but it's part of the challenges with creating content like this.

The thing about Morrigan and Leliana, amazing romances compared to Isabella and Merril. I like Isabella but find no real appeal to Merril so it was just one for me in 2. Vivienne would of equally balanced the gender ration in romances. 

[Markward]

I'm just going to leave this here and hope it makes sense.

 

(I was unable to find player-character gender statistics for Dragon Age)

 

 

1. Are the figures of player-character genders actually comparable to the Mass Effect series?

 

 

 

2. If so; is gender/sexual-orientation/race restrictions the most appropriate/necessary way to limit or include player content?

 

 

 

3. If agreed upon or deemed necessary; are resources being adequately distributed not just in a manner that is fair/inclusive but also in a manner that is equitable to your existing player demographic?

 

 

 

 

 

 

(I.e. if most players are male[Possibly untrue] is it really the best practice to limit the majority of in-game features to female characters?)

 

 

 

 

 

_____________________

 

 

Romances available to male player-characters.

 

Origins: 3/4

(Alistair restricted to females)

 

DA2: 4/5

(Sebastian restricted to females)

 

DAI: 4/8

(Cullen, Blackwall, Solas and Sera restricted to females)

 

_____________________________________

 

DAI=DA2>DAO

 

____________________________________

 

Romances available to female player-characters.

 

Origins:3/4

(Morrigan restricted to males)

 

DA2: 5/5

(No restrictions)

 

DAI: 6/8

(Dorrian and Cassandra restricted to males)

 

_____________________________________

 

DAI>DA2>DAO

 

____________________________________

 

 

I would also like to attempt to differentiate my post from those complaing about the lack of romance options for my sexual orientation or "aesthetic-taste". (The validity or necessity of those arguments are not issues I wish to discuss at this time.) I'm simply highlighting the minor, but growing disparity between gender romance options. This is not meant as an attack or insult to anyone, but rather simply as an externalization of this information from my perspective.

 

 

 

Gender, sex, identity and sexual-orientation are complex and sensitive issues; it is not my intention to upset or argue with anyone about these issues.  I just wanted to contribute my own personal feelings to the existing dialogue surrounding how and why romances are as they are.

 

I apologize for any insensitivity on my part. 

 

 

I'd also like to say a huge thank you to Bioware, the romances that I have been able to have in past games have meant the world to me.

 

 

- Cheers Mark

[The Elder King]

I'm talking the lead writers, not some random guy that wrote for Vorcha Mercenary #397

Patrick Weeks wrote plently of major characters and plots in the ME IP.

[daveliam]

The debate with Daveliam was about comparison between straight males and homosexual males.

 

Which I didn't bring up, btw.  He did.

 

You've brought it up yourself *facepalms*

 

Oh right, and he brought up this too.  And is trying to dismiss both because he was totally wrong in both instances.

 

I'm not sympathetic because I'm kind of turned on by the idea of generating a hornless female qunari and scissoring with Sera.

 

There, I said it.

 

And while it's a little cruder than I would normally appreciate from a stranger, at least I can appreciate honesty!

[RosaAquafire]

Considering I'd pay as much as a straight female and I'd get less out of it, I don't see what's ridiculous.

 

Haha.

 

Nobody but straight dudes would ever have purchased a video game using your logic...

[Ryzaki]

Patrick Weeks wrote plently of major characters and plots in the ME IP.

 

Who was it that wrote Rannock and the Krogan plot again?

[lightningmage]

i am not happy about any of the choices for straight male none of these woman are sexy one is a woman shaped battling ram another is a paper pusher with what looks like she has bad acne and both beaten with the ugly stick

[just.somebody2]

I wonder if he knows what a "logical fallacy" is...

[Hizoku]

Well, no, that's changing their characters completely. 

 

But for the sake of argument, assume that Bioware was able to produce DLC that added this content in a reasonable amount of time, that would add these two new romances to the game. Would this satisfy you?

It wouldn't necessarily change the characters completely because that'd be like stating that one's sexuality is a dominant factor in the development of a person's personality which of course isn't true. 

 

As for that DLC idea, it would satisfy many but would also anger quite a few for having to pay for "something that should've already been in the game" 

[Pierce Miller]

Exactly.  Thank you.

 

 

If you knew much about Bioware, you would understand that many of the DA writers and dev team have worked on many of their other projects, including Mass Effect.  But because it weakens your argument, you want to ignore it.  Fine, but just know that we all know that's why you are doing it.

 

 

No.  Literally, just this morning, you said that Vivienne should be straight because you are straight and you want more options than everyone else.  Don't try to act like that this didn't happen just this morning. 

I know it happened, it's called explaining how my thought process went, emotions aren't dictated by my better judgement. I shall and always will want more than everyone else but logically I can't have that. I explained this in the same thread. It doesn't matter, you and everyone else unaffected by the news don't care.

[CrimsonN7]

I'm not sympathetic because I'm kind of turned on by the idea of generating a hornless female qunari and scissoring with Sera.

 

There, I said it.

 

You think that's how lesbians have sex, really?

[Ryzaki]

Haha.

 

Nobody but straight dudes would ever have purchased a video game using your logic...

 

This.

 

I played JE and got 2 of the 3 romance options. (**** the males got a freaking threesome option and I got...Sky. who was awesome but...yeah). I guess I should've gotten a discount? Especially considering I had no exclusive LIs like straight male spirit monk had.

 

I wanted a threesome

[durasteel]

Did I insist that? No you assumed it because I voiced my opinion. It should be equal, always.

 

And by an astounding coincidence, you reached this epiphany at the exact moment that your demographic was not the one with the most toys dedicated to its virtual representation. 

[The Elder King]

Which I didn't bring up, btw.  He did.
 

 
Oh right, and he brought up this too.  And is trying to dismiss both because he was totally wrong in both instances.
 

 
And while it's a little cruder than I would normally appreciate from a stranger, at least I can appreciate honesty!

Yup, I know.

[Seboist]

i am not happy about any of the choices for straight male none of these woman are sexy one is a woman shaped battling ram another is a paper pusher with what looks like she has bad acne and both beaten with the ugly stick

 

Yeah, they aren't as good looking as the babes in Dead or Alive 5, the latest Tekken games or Witcher 2.

[SketchPanic]

I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms. Everyone got someone this time around. I really wanted Sera as a romantic interest, but life goes on and the game is still playable.

 

Hell, I'm so excited by all of this I even made a thing!

 

[Grayvisions]

Very sad there aren't as many options for male characters as there are female. I like the list overall, and am THRILLED Vivienne can't be bothered with that mushy romantic nonsense (that's mah gurl!) but no Blackwall, Cullen or Sera for my male Inquisitor does make me sad. I hope at least I can develop a truly deep, memorable friendship with them, if nothing else.

[Chanda]

Oh my god, Blackwall is a romance option! I am super excited! Thank you!