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[Willowhugger]

I like Dorian visually but he comes across like Anders in the way he's somebody who will scream at me every time I act against mages. That leaves me with Iron Bull who the thought of 'being' with makes me uncomfortable given his size and demeanour, plus I would wanna be with someone who could perhaps have syphilis from the amount of sex they've had. Blackwall and Cullen are just normal to me, now I'm cut off from that ridiculously so.

 

Hilarious bit of black comedy: I knew players who wouldn't romance Isabella because of the STD joke.

[TheodoricFriede]

Decided not to go with a nice even split of romance options i see.

 

Yeah, that seems pretty consistent with the design decisions im seeing lately.

[Nightsong]

They are limited in scope only in that they are restricted to certain races. Hence the "otherwise, they are the equal of the other romances."

 

Thank you for clarifying that! Saved my day I must say.

[Angloassassin]

I believe you did use the word shortchange a certain group.. That clearly is a negative type of way.  I understand the analogy, but i feel that the motives are not the same. One is saving a life. This case is just based on inequality. Two wrongs don't make a right. I liked the step forward towards catering to more sexual preferences. The DA team specifically, as long as it is more realistic and not like DA2 everyone is bi stuff. But to fully admit to creating more inequality just to counterbalance... thats like saying "oh this guy killed my family so I should be able to kill his, innocent or not. " 

 

Granted I am pissed and disappointed as I was counting on VIvI to be the last romance since I hated the MP news and the 8 slot news and dont care for cassandra or josep.  It would have been nice to see a black woman also be a romance for once.. but I knew that this just didnt go my way this time. No ones fault. But to now here this reason and philosophy.... It's hard to form words with how stunned I am.

 

Technically speaking - IIRC, People like Isabella and Duncan were supposed to be 'Black', but the Engine had a hard time rendering it. Like, even my Warden could only look a lovely shade of Isabella 'Tan'.

[Willowhugger]

Representing political turmoil isn't the same as representing real life groups in offensive ways just out of general ignorance. That's not art, it's just ignorance.

 

What I'm trying to get at is Bioware may attempt to increase greater diversity and do a good thing and it will probably trip over someone's radar.

Not that greater sensitivity isn't a good thing or diversity.

BUTTTTT....there's no perfect depiction either.

 

The best you can do is make a character feel authentic, motivated, and real.

[Ray561]

True art is offensive.

 

Otherwise it's not art.

Entertainment can also be completely nonoffensive but then it's usually just bland.

 

Dragon's Dogma, for example, is probably completely inoffensive but I can't say it contains anything memorable either like Templars and Mages.

Dragons Dogma may not have anything memorable but Dragon Age's real time combat could learn a lot from the Combat of Dragon Dogma best Action RPG combat in years.

[Allan Schumacher]

I believe you did use the word shortchange a certain group.. That clearly is a negative type of way

Are you referring to the following quote:

if there's a group that I'd be most willing to "short change" (or better stated, since only one group is really benefiting here, I'd be most unwilling to focus on)

I guess it wasn't clear but the use of quotation marks, followed up by the parenthetical remark immediately following, was that I was intending on reframing it to be a bonus for one group, rather than a penalty for another.

[Willowhugger]

Dragons Dogma may not have anything memorable but Dragon Age's real time combat could learn a lot from the Combat of Dragon Dogma best Action RPG combat in years.

 

Point taken.

And conceded.

I should have left the dig on DD out.

[ElitePinecone]

I'd like to cut a deal with all the angry straight dudes in this thread: I will side with you and argue that you deserve equality here - if you will then accompany me to the discussion forums for every other game ever created where there is an imbalance in romance options and/or a lack of representation for a particular gender or sexuality, and put in an equally impassioned argument for equality on behalf of whichever demographic has been cheated by the numbers there. (Spoiler alert: it's usually women and/or the LGBT community.)

I mean this is clearly an issue of critical importance to you, so we should be fighting for it everywhere, right? Otherwise people might think you don't actually care about equality at all and are just out for your own interests. But I'm sure that's not true at all! I bet you'll be a great help in the fight for equality now that you actually understand what women and the LGBT community must endure in the vast majority of video games.

On a separate note, congrats to those who got the LIs they were hoping for, and condolences to anyone who missed out! Personally I'm kinda disappointed that you can't romance Cullen as a male or Cassandra as a female, but I get 8 options, so I can't really complain that much. And I've been waiting for a chance to romance Cullen since DA:O!

 

welp, this is the best first post i've ever seen

[Angloassassin]

Dragons Dogma may not have anything memorable but Dragon Age's real time combat could learn a lot from the Combat of Dragon Dogma best Action RPG combat in years.

 

Climbing on Monsters Shadow of the Colossus style. Being able to change your vocation at the town. Sprinting, jumping, climbing; Ah, I love that game. I still play it. Have most fun on my Ranger, Warrior, and Mystic Knight vocation.

[MCG]

Lol, I didn't romance her in DA2 because she just didn't suit my Hawke, she seemed too sure of herself and my Hawke appeared more protective thus suited Merrill more. Though I'm not shocked some didn't romance her due to her sexual encounters.

As for Dorian and Iron Bull I feel like they've just "here's your obvious top and here's you blatant bottom" in a really stereotypical way which is annoying. I don't know if it's just me but that's how I feel.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

What I'm trying to get at is Bioware may attempt to increase greater diversity and do a good thing and it will probably trip over someone's radar.

Not that greater sensitivity isn't a good thing or diversity.

BUTTTTT....there's no perfect depiction either.

 

The best you can do is make a character feel authentic, motivated, and real.

Well, I said that some cases of people complaining (promiscuous bisexual trope, for example) are grounded in reason, while not every complaint is going to be. You have to look at it on a case by case basis as to what people are saying offends them. 

[Ray561]

Point taken.

And conceded.

I should have left the dig on DD out.

No you are right there nothing memorable about the game except maybe the Combat of it.

[Swagger7]

Thanks for the list!  Can't say that I'm not at least slightly disappointed at there only being 3 female LIs, but that's still one more then DA2.  I find all three of them interesting so far, and since I always roll multiple characters of both genders, I'll get to play one more romance arc than the previous games.  Here's to progress! 

 

I honestly don't get the entitled attitude of some people.  I only have 3 romance options instead of 8 because I don't enjoy romancing men in games.  But, that's a limitation of personal taste.  It's not BioWare's fault I'm so picky.  If you only play as one gender, and only romance one gender, then of course you won't have many options.  It's like refusing to wear any armor that isn't blue with feathers, and then complaining that there aren't enough outfits in the game because most of them don't meet your personal tastes. 

[Maria Caliban]

I think BioWare should reveal the love interests before the game ships, and all at once. Or at least within a couple months of one another.

Trust me, you don't want me to spend *two years* infatuated with a character and then learn while playing that they're gender gated. After all, if BioWare didn't tell us anything, I'd go in assuming all-bi again.

You can say that I'm stupid. You have no idea how foolish I felt when I learned Cassandra was straight. She's probably the only time I assumed a woman would be available to me. Looking over my old posts, I'm embarrassed.

But learning months in advance is so much better than while playing for me.

[Ulathar]

I was hoping for Vivienne to be romancable and because of that I'm obviously not happy. From what I've seen before, I had Josephine, Vivienne and Sera on my mind as possible options for my Male Inquisitor. With this latest reveal, the only option left is Josephine. She would've been my first choice anyway, but I still see the positive side to this, I won't have to choose. :-)

 

I also feel like this doesn't have to be about (in)equality at all. I mean, obviously it's Bioware's decision and maybe this was part of the decision-making process, but for me, it's about the characters. Maybe Vivienne's character, her agenda, her political ambitions and realities don't allow for romance or relationships at this point. Or maybe she's already in one and wants to stay loyal or has to safe face by staying loyal. Maybe she just doesn't want the Inquisitor or any kind of relationship....Sera has a pretty good reason, too. She won't be an option for my Male Inquisitor, because she's not interested in men that way.

 

Also, romance isn't everything. Yes, I went there. If you like her or are intrigued by her character (or any other) you will still be able to talk to her and maybe even start a friendship. This could also be quite interesting. I certainly intend to find out.

 

I was hoping for something else, but it's like this now. I often read about putting more realism in games. Well, this is realistic, not everything goes the way you want it to all the time. Well, at least this is my take on this whole "problem".

[Willowhugger]

Well, I said that some cases of people complaining (promiscuous bisexual trope, for example) are grounded in reason, while not every complaint is going to be. You have to look at it on a case by case basis as to what people are saying offends them. 

Point taken.

 

No you are right there nothing memorable about the game except maybe the Combat of it.

 

I'm a English major and came with this description for media.

"Art has a message of some sort."

"Entertainment has no message other than have fun."

"Neither is inherently superior."

 

But I think Bioware is mostly entertainment with a few very good bits of art thrown in. Messages of tolerance, understanding, questioning beliefs, and the needs of the many may not be DEEP messages.

But they are very much present.

[TheodoricFriede]

No you are right there nothing memorable about the game except maybe the Combat of it.

Im sorry, do you not remember that part where you fought a dragon, caused the apocalypse, and them became God?

[Akkos]

I don't think I'd be able to romance Dorian. Seeing how gay male characters and also in Dorian thread all is related to sex.

 

I'm guessing there are some terms he might say in game that I'm not familiar or related to in real life. I'm not taking this anywhere.

 

But I'll gladly have him in party of course.

 

Anyway I was comfortable with Zevran romance, even though i was forced to in some kind of way.

[Willowhugger]

I think BioWare should reveal the love interests before the game ships, and all at once. Or at least within a couple months of one another.

Trust me, you don't want me to spend *two years* infatuated with a character and then learn while playing that they're gender gated. After all, if BioWare didn't tell us anything, I'd go in assuming all-bi again.

You can say that I'm stupid. You have no idea how foolish I felt when I learned Cassandra was straight. She's probably the only time I assumed a woman would be available to me. Looking over my old posts, I'm embarrassed.

But learning months in advance is so much better than while playing for me.

 

I don't think you're stupid and understand entirely where you're coming from.

[Allan Schumacher]

I understand the analogy, but i feel that the motives are not the same. One is saving a life. This case is just based on inequality. Two wrongs don't make a right. I liked the step forward towards catering to more sexual preferences. The DA team specifically, as long as it is more realistic and not like DA2 everyone is bi stuff. But to fully admit to creating more inequality just to counterbalance... thats like saying "oh this guy killed my family so I should be able to kill his, innocent or not. "

First of all, I find it exceptionally disrespectful and offensive to take a world where FOUR people happen to be bisexual and dismiss it as "everyone is bi stuff."  As though the mere existence of such a small number of bisexual people in your party is somehow unrealistic and world breaking for you.

The "two wrongs don't make a right" leads me to this, as you were willing to dismiss my analogy on your own whims - it's video game content that makes up such a small piece of the overall content. To then use an extreme analogy such as murdering some guy's family after dismissing mine as not being relevant because it was about saving a life while romance stuff is "just based on inequality" strikes the conversation as no longer being intellectually honest.

[MCG]

Yes, romance isn't everything, but it's a nice touch to have. In ME2 my Shephard didn't romance anyone and I don't regret it, it only felt right in ME3 when things were coming to an end and she could finally open up. However in DA you only play the particular protagonist for one game, you can't wait to see who else is to come later, it's like either romance now or be alone forever kinda thing. This time however, being alone seems likely which is disappointing considering it seems my DA2 romance is falling apart (yes I'm still playing that game).

[Willowhugger]

I don't think I'd be able to romance Dorian. Seeing how gay male characters and also in Dorian thread all is related to sex.

 

I'm guessing there are some terms he might say in game that I'm not familiar or related to in real life. I'm not taking this anywhere.

 

But I'll gladly have him in party of course.

 

Anyway I was comfortable with Zevran romance, even though i was forced to in some kind of way.

The straight male perspective on Dorian and I'm tempted to go into that thread to talk on it.

I like the idea of him being the "Sole Sane Man in Tevinter."

 

Which is a very intriguing sort of character.

His homosexuality is almost incidental to the idea he's a guy trying to reform an almost cartoonishly evil society.

I think of him as Thrall from WoW only with a better stylist.

In short, I think romances can actually DISTRACT from the character's importance.

[Swagger7]

Point taken.

And conceded.

I should have left the dig on DD out.

Yup, don't mess with DD lovers.  They take that game seriously. 

[Ray561]

Im sorry, do you not remember that part where you fought a dragon, caused the apocalypse, and them became God?

Yes I do the dragon battle would have sucked if not for the combat the apocalypse just gave me bigger badder monster to fight and after I became God there was nothing to do except kill my self and start over.