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[john-in-france]

@TheElderKing

Of the 5 LIs in DA2, 4 were bisexual, Sebastian was heterosexual.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Gaider recently stated (during Gaymer, I believe), that the four LI in DA2 were bisexual.

Yeah, it was at GaymerX. I'll always remember that convention.

[seraphymon]

He is saying he can't accept your analogy because you immediately threw out his for being too extreme, and then offered a more extreme one. If you insist on using extreme analogies but do not allow them for the person you are talking to, that is a unfair and disingenuous conversation.

 

And yes, 4 bisexual people in a group of 6 is not only realistic, but it has happened randomly to me and was quite a shock to all of us but truly happened. These things just do.

I didn't throw out his because it was too extreme. I was saying that the intention or reasoning behind isnt quite the same. I did offer a more extreme one sure, but I couldnt come up with a good one at 2am.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

In most cases here, straight white men still have to work hard themselves. The idea of privilege isn't that life is easy street. People place far too much focus on the financial aspect when they hear the term privilege. Here's an article, though written in context of the US so there may be some regional differences, regarding heterosexual privilege: http://itspronounced...xual-privilege/

Note that it refers to relatively straight forward things that people may take for granted, such as openly expressing your affection towards a loved one without judgement. If I kiss a man.

With respect to how much privileges and rights a woman has in your area, I'm not as informed and there could be a whole host of other intersectional aspects that I'm completely unaware of. The idea that they just need to marry some rich old man and have a good life, however, is something that some people think happens en masse even here. I'd need to see more information to form a genuine opinion on the matter.

As you state, though:
 
It sounds like your life is a bit easier if you're a straight man rather than a gay man. Which is an example of straight privilege. By being straight, you exempt yourself from being caned, fines, or imprisoned. So, all things being equal it sounds like a man in your region would likely face less challenges in life if he was straight rather than gay.

Do you not agree? Because it seems like that is what you are saying.

 Do you disagree with the notion that, in general, entertainment is built with a tendency to have straight content often to the outright omission of gay or lesbian content?

It's important to note that even though I think straight men have privilege in much of the world, that does not mean that straight men don't have to work hard, nor does it mean that the life of a straight man cannot be worse than the life of a woman or a gay man.

 

True Allan, but my post was actually regarding the fact that men around here, do not have more privileges than women do. Hence why I compared gay vs lesbian and straight men vs straight women. 

 

Regarding your point that gay men have a tough time in Singapore and Malaysia, this is perfectly true. I have Malaysian gay friend who chose to stay in USA because of this. 

 

However, this not exactly the fault of people like me. I am not in charge of those governments, judiciary, law enforcement and religious enforcement. I do not pass these laws either. 

 

I have to confess that I do not watch that much entertainment. I only read comics (mostly DC), play video games, watch documentaries (mostly scientific or historical), watch cartoons and superhero movies most of the time. There are plenty of homosexual content in them. However, as I said, I do not watch all forms of entertainment so my knowledge of contents in them are limited. 

[Willowhugger]

I knew Isabela was, with DAO and all, but with Anders talk in DAA about settling with a woman it makes me question things, but guess that answers things.

 

I think they could have been more clear that Karl was Anders' lover.

 

It would have made things a lot more poignant.

[TheodoricFriede]

I think they could have been more clear that Karl was Anders' lover.

 

It would have made things a lot more poignant.

Short of them making out in front of me, i dont see how that possibly could have been more clear.

[Akkos]

Sebastian was straight.

Many people saw that as a mistake.

Aveline was bi since she flirted with FemaleHawke. So there were FIVE people who were bisexual in Hawke's party. Which while rather unlikely is no more unlikely than a bunch of dragonslaying adventurers killing thousands.

:-)

 

Omg... I flirt with people with the same sex.. that doesn't make me bi.    Aveline's never had interest in women whatever are you talking about.

 

Only Zevran, Leliana and Isabela were very engaging with being into both gender when you talk to them..  The rest came out..... well surpising.

 

Ander was very effemenine in Awakening, i was surprise he fell for a female Hawke.

Fenris very manly...... quite like Sten straightforward....and then the flirt option turns into a romance.....pfft..

And Merrill with no experience in romancing people I knew she will be convincing in engaging with both gender.

[karushna5]

I didn't throw out his because it was too extreme. I was saying that the intention or reasoning behind isnt quite the same. I did offer a more extreme one sure, but I couldnt come up with a good one at 2am.

Then the same applies. No one is taking revenge on you, they are wondering if someone is to get extra it isn't going to be the person who has the most, elsewhere. Also, it is late in Canada too.

[Ianamus]

I think they could have been more clear that Karl was Anders' lover.

 

It would have made things a lot more poignant.

 

Not deliberately concealing it from the player if Hawke is female would have been a good start.

[TheodoricFriede]

Then the same applies. No one is taking revenge on you, they are wondering if someone is to get extra it isn't going to be the person who has the most, elsewhere.

There shouldn't be any "extra". Either make it equal, or don't do it.

[Angloassassin]

Totally the Beyonce of DAI., I mean LOOK at her, so fab.

 

 

*Snip for shortness*

 

What about you?

 

Being a Bi-Sexual Male, that generally leans more towards men. 

 

Romance wise: 

 

When I first saw Solas - I was like "MMMMM, Gotta have me some of Dat Chrome-Dome Cutie!" so, I'll definitely be rolling a Felf Inquisitor for that.

 

Iron Bull (Now that I've heard some of his banter and personality) Seems really interesting. He's almost the exact opposite of Sten from DA:O. And I found myself coming to respect and Befriend Sten a lot in my playthroughs, even on people that generally wouldn't. 

 

What did Alistair say about him?  "He doesn't seem quite so bad -Chantry Blah Blah- yet he seems so resonable"

 

Now... Cullen, Muahahahaha - He can't run away from my Fem-quisitor now like he did with my Warden! >:}

 

Dorian, for the sheer fact - I'd love to hear his stories. He's a Tevinter Mage - like.. Seriously, the closest we get to those were the Slavers from DA2, and DA:O. It'd be nice to see what a "Sane" one thinks. Plus, he's just so dapper looking. 

 

 

As far as friendships:

I'd want some Varric Bro-fisting going on again like in DA2; he's just such an awesome character.

 

And if Vivienne turns out to be this game's Morrigan from DA:O - her friendship Dialogue may make me melt like her's did if you were a Fem Warden. She's so nervous when she's actually telling you about how she views your friendship. I just want to hold her.

 

And Grunt never wore an Umbrella Hat! 

I always pictured my Shep being the "Cool Uncle" rather than "Dad" to Grunt. Especially bailing him out during the Citadel DLC. I nearly pissed myself!

 

So, if Cole's like that (to any extent) he's got my support!

[Ianamus]

There shouldn't be any "extra". Either make it equal, or don't do it.

 

Arguing for less content is ridiculous, even if the extra content is not available on every playthrough.

[TheodoricFriede]

Arguing for less content is ridiculous, even if the extra content is not available on every playthrough.

Im not arguing for less. Im arguing for equal.

 

Perhaps when the decision was made to add two new romance options, maybe they should have said "Lets make sure we maintain the equal numbers we have managed so far".

 

Further, if removing those two "extra" romances would have meant a return to the all Bisexual format, i would have gladly made that sacrifice.

[Dermain]

 

He is saying he can't accept your analogy because you immediately threw out his for being too extreme, and then offered a more extreme one. If you insist on using extreme analogies but do not allow them for the person you are talking to, that is a unfair and disingenuous conversation.

 

And yes, 4 bisexual people in a group of 6 is not only realistic, but it has happened randomly to me and was quite a shock to all of us but truly happened. These things just do.

 

Statistically things like this are always possible. By the nature of randomness a person could end up with a license plate that started with 777 (or any other number/letter). 

 

The chance of four people in a group of ~8 people being bisexual is far more common than people may think.

Short of them making out in front of me, i dont see how that possibly could have been more clear.

 

Agreed. 

 

Not deliberately concealing it from the player if Hawke is female would have been a good start.

 

How is it deliberately concealed? 

 

Anders just doesn't mention it to a female Hawke, but all of the cues are still present leading up to the death of Karl.

 

There shouldn't be any "extra". Either make it equal, or don't do it.

 

You have the same amount of options as a straight male as in every other Dragon Age game.

 

How is females having more options than you offending you in any way?

 

Will you play as a female? Will you even consider playing as a female?

 

Would you even consider romancing any of the female only romances (excluding Sera)?

 

 

Im not arguing for less. Im arguing for equal.

 

Perhaps when the decision was made to add two new romance options, maybe they should have said "Lets make sure we maintain the equal numbers we have managed so far".

 

They never had your "equal numbers" to begin with if you're arguing from the position of a straight male.

 

In that case, you ARE arguing for less content for the sake of equality.

 

If you're arguing for pure equality for the sake of equality that's a different matter entirely.

[seraphymon]

Then the same applies. No one is taking revenge on you, they are wondering if someone is to get extra it isn't going to be the person who has the most, elsewhere. Also, it is late in Canada too.

Except in reality they havent gotten most in DA at all. And this is just spurring negative influences to those who dont really see or believe in such inequality way in this day and age.   If there is extra, it should have been equal or not at all.

[Ianamus]

Im not arguing for less. Im arguing for equal.

 

Perhaps when the decision was made to add two new romance options, maybe they should have said "Lets make sure we maintain the equal numbers we have managed so far".

 

That decision was made a year ago, when Solas and Cullen had long been written and were straight characters who had been straight for years of development.

 

How were they supposed to keep the options equal when none of the remaining character's open to becoming LI's were gay or bisexual? It was having them as gated extra options for straight females or not at all.

[The Elder King]

I knew Isabela was, with DAO and all, but with Anders talk in DAA about settling with a woman it makes me question things, but guess that answers things.

  
Gaider said he wrote Anders in DAA as bisexual as well.

[just.somebody2]

Being a Bi-Sexual Male, that generally leans more towards men. 

 

*snipping too*

 

I gotta say, Solas might have some interesting content. If his voice is ears-melting too I'm probably gonna get so torn on who to explore more first. (there's always a little extra something to a character when they are a LI, no?)

 

yeah IB, is something of a mystery, that's why I'm so interested.

 

Poor Cullen. Such nerd, Much dork. He'll be chasing after the Inquisitor soon enough. I do hope he's the initially-bashful-later-confident type. I have a soft spot for those (kinda like Garrus and Alistair but obv his own character)

 

I need to twirl Dorians moustache. I NEED to. Also, his stance on Tevinter politics will probably be really fun to hear.

 

 

Definitely Varric bromance (too bad that there's no romance but I can respect that and still like the Chesthair). I hope he mentions Hawke as well. He's been their friend too after all

 

 

Ok, so. imagine Grunt in a silly hat now.

Or a bonnet!

[carlo angelo]

Even if I couldn't romance Blackwall or Cullen with the Inquisitor of my choosing, I hope that some friendship scenarios with them are almost as poignant as the romantic relationships.

[Gileadan]

[Persuade] This isn't worth arguing over at all

That's how it worked in the good old times.

 

   /  [Olive-branch-icon] "This is not worth arguing about, people. Let's just enjoy the game and the romances we get!"

O-  [Purple-mask-icon] "I get Cassandra and I like her. Hey, what about you guys?"

   \  [Red-fist-icon] "You suck. Romances suck."

 

Result (no matter which option you picked): thread continues

[seraphymon]

They never had your "equal numbers" to begin with if you're arguing from the position of a straight male.

 

In that case, you ARE arguing for less content for the sake of equality.

 

If you're arguing for pure equality for the sake of equality that's a different matter entirely.

 

I am not sure what exactly he meant but I think  since it was a 3-3 ratio. The extra should have been 1-1 as well. equality in 4 males being romanceable and 4 woman. Beyond that and sexual preference wise I dont know, but yeah .

[devSin]

I think BioWare should reveal the love interests before the game ships, and all at once. Or at least within a couple months of one another.

Trust me, you don't want me to spend *two years* infatuated with a character and then learn while playing that they're gender gated. After all, if BioWare didn't tell us anything, I'd go in assuming all-bi again.

You can say that I'm stupid. You have no idea how foolish I felt when I learned Cassandra was straight. She's probably the only time I assumed a woman would be available to me. Looking over my old posts, I'm embarrassed.

But learning months in advance is so much better than while playing for me.

I agree with you.

If they're going to release information on the companions, they need to release information on romance availability and accessibility.

It's perhaps the only way to keep expectations in check from those who are most vulnerable to getting invested in the characters (and those who don't follow the press or the forums probably won't know and likely won't care anyway).

I can't imagine being so invested in a character and discovering they're not available to me until they're already in the party, potentially souring my experience with the whole game (and definitely potentially blinding me to the characters who actually provide romance content that I can engage with). Short of just not introducing any of the characters to us (requiring that we all meet them for the very first time on the day of release), I don't think there's any reasonable benefit to withholding this information.

I used to think we could get to a place where it wouldn't be necessary, but I think that's more of a pleasant fantasy (we're so beyond that now!) than something that would actually help anyone.

[aTigerslunch]

I believe if a straight man said, holy smokes batman, Dorian is awesome.  I doubt we will have issues with our LI's, just saying. 

 

 

 

And wow, the amount of pages that shot up is crazy. I have to continue from page 43. Right now however..

 

I am happy with the 2/2/2  and the other 2 just happen to prefer women, Cullen (makes sense), Blackwall (I guess, I don't know him though). Vivienne didn't seem fitting to me as viable anyways. I wanted her as an LI but then felt that would be a catering, since she doesn't seem to be one wanting to deal with it. I just hope while I flirt away with her, she will be like, sorry no...something like Aveline.

 

My female elf will have fun with all the choices. I have nothing against playing different race's or gender's.

[TheodoricFriede]

 

 

You have the same amount of options as a straight male as in every other Dragon Age game.

 

How is females having more options than you offending you in any way?

 

Will you play as a female? Will you even consider playing as a female?

 

Would you even consider romancing any of the female only romances (excluding Sera)?

 

 

 

They never had your "equal numbers" to begin with if you're arguing from the position of a straight male.

 

In that case, you ARE arguing for less content for the sake of equality.

 

If you're arguing for pure equality for the sake of equality that's a different matter entirely.

 

In order:

 

1: Thats the equivalent of saying "But female players have the same number of romance options they always did!"

 

2: Because I dont believe in fixing problems by making new problems.

 

3: My first playthrough will be a female character in an effort to make an impact on Biowares metric data. I want them to know that players want as many options as possible, and appreciate being able to choose race and gender.

 

4: It is unlikely, because i don't find any of them appealing. This includes Sera.

 

5: I dont understand your logic. Based on their assumption that there are "Core" and "Extra" romances, there was once equality.

[Angloassassin]

I gotta say, Solas might have some interesting content. If his voice is ears-melting too I'm probably gonna get so torn on who to explore more first. (there's always a little extra something to a character when they are a LI, no?)

 

yeah IB, is something of a mystery, that's why I'm so interested.

 

Poor Cullen. Such nerd, Much dork. He'll be chasing after the Inquisitor soon enough. I do hope he's the initially-bashful-later-confident type. I have a soft spot for those (kinda like Garrus and Alistair but obv his own character)

 

I need to twirl Dorians moustache. I NEED to. Also, his stance on Tevinter politics will probably be really fun to hear.

 

 

Definitely Varric bromance (too bad that there's no romance but I can respect that and still like the Chesthair). I hope he mentions Hawke as well. He's been their friend too after all

 

 

Ok, so. imagine Grunt in a silly hat now.

Or a bonnet!

 

 

Damnit, I am - and he looks like the Big Bad wolf, trying to disguise himself as Granny...

 

And Cullen brought this upon himself for being so delightfully awkward in DA:O, then running away from me when I mentioned taking it 'Elsewhere'. I SHALL NOT BE DENIED - Er... Butterflies and Kittens...

 

I might purposely make my Fem-Quisitor look *Exactly* like my Warden, just to torment him with Deja Vu.

 

Solas has been the most sought-after one for me..  Even if he is race-gated, I'll just make a fairly Andro Female. Because I'm comfortable playing a Fem-quisitor, but for my Imagination's sake, I'm going to put the CC through it's *Paces*.

 

(Fenris sort of spoiled me with those puppy eyes... Damn Elves..)