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[wright1978]

And she's hot.  Did I mention she's hot?  Because she's totally hot.

 

Odd, i don't view her as hot. Happy if others view her as such though.

Unless you are referring to Leilana in which case yes very hot imo.

[BobZilla84]

You know I have been ranting "Why isnt there ever a Female Warrior LI" ever since Awakening Mhairi made an impression on me and I then hoped DA2 would give us an option and when I first saw Aveline I loved her Character and she intrested me then you didnt even make her a LI which was a huge disappointment because the relationship between Hawke & Aveline was great and you should have had been able to confess your feelings to her during her quests.

 

Now we have Cassandra now dont get me wrong she is attractive and a great character but I am not feeling her that much I dont know why her personality maybe.

[HiroVoid]

It's not hard to believe that women are becoming more gamer prone than in years past (I'd actually like to know what caused this drift). Even if the gap is closer than in  years past it doesn't account for the reason why Bioware is choosing to appeal to other themes, such as those of the gay nature. Perhaps I am ultra conservative in this respect but showcasing certain themes in games just for the sake of doing so doesn't make much sense to me, it feels forced due to either social or cultural pressure to change. The result is that those of traditional viewpoints are being left behind and somehow becoming a minority (at least it feels that way) and the gay cultural is now being put on a pedestal as the next best thing since sliced bread.

*sighs* Without getting too deep into the argument and being civil, Bioware has made it clear that having diverse representation is important to them.  If this bothers you to an extreme degree, you'd be better off finding games that fit your values better.

[TheJediSaint]

Odd, i don't view her as hot. Happy if others view her as such though.

Unless you are referring to Leilana in which case yes very hot imo.

I was referring to Josephine, but Leliana's hot too.

[Willowhugger]

You know I have been ranting "Why isnt there ever a Female Warrior LI" ever since Awakening Mhairi made an impression on me and I then hoped DA2 would give us an option and when I first saw Aveline I loved her Character and she intrested me then you didnt even make her a LI which was a huge disappointment because the relationship between Hawke & Aveline was great and you should have had been able to confess your feelings to her during her quests.

 

Now we have Cassandra now dont get me wrong she is attractive and a great character but I am not feeling her that much I dont know why her personality maybe.

For non-sexual preference based LI desires, I'm still saddened we've never had a Circle Mage LI.

 

Morrigan, Merill, YOUR SISTER, and now Solas.

It's disappointing.

[just.somebody2]

Because you left!!!  I blame you for all this mess!!!

Nooo. I had to eat.

 

I have failed you

 

Don't look at me

 

*dramatic exit stage left*

 

*faint voice in the distance* Forgive meeeeeeeeeee...

 

 

 

Edit: This is how my dramatic exit looked like (under spoiler tag for big pic)

Spoiler

[Ryzaki]

I've never walked away from a bioware game, even with my favourite romances, thinking anything other than it could have done with more content. So let's say i'm sceptical that they somehow have reached the maximum limit or that more content would be damaging.

 

This.

 

There is always always something really goddamned obvious in my play through that I'm absolutely baffled my PC can't do/say. So the whole "good as it could get" argument does nothing for me.

 

Now I believe in the whole diminished returns by constantly working on something sure. And yeah it could get worse cause humans make mistakes. But yeah all of BW romances could use improvement in some manner.

[Willowhugger]

I was referring to Josephine, but Leliana's hot too.

I love Cassandra but she strikes me as a wee bit...prickly.

And MageJesus (my Inquisitor) is sort of a soft type.

Plus Josephine's voice is pure sex.

Why Leliana beat out Morrigan (that and I hate being my LI's therapist).

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Ultimately (despite my support for Vivienne as a love interest), one romance option (Cassandra) would have been more than enough for me.

 

Seriously guys (speaking to my fellow straight male gamers here), if you can't appreciate Cassandra as a character in order to romance her, then that's your loss.

 

You still have the option of romancing Josephine, or playing a female character and romancing someone else (like Sera    ).

Even if, for whatever reason, I was disappointing with Cassandra (which I'm not), I tend to get extremely meta with my RPGs, and I play the story/romances every possible way with many different protagonists. Inquisition has four player races, each with two genders, and there's multiple bi characters...

 

This game... there's a Walter Donovan meme coming to mind.

[Willowhugger]

Cassandra is a great character but I'm not sure how Bioware's Tsundere's work.

Morrigan made the first move, even when she was calling you out for not burning the puppies alive.

[Sporothrix]

The game had audio dialogues talk about how Lara and Sam used to pick up guys together so probably not.

 

Umm, I'm quite sure that was not the case. I remember because some straight guy who insisted on Lara being his fictional wife brought that part up during one discussion and from what I remember it didn't imply at all that Lara pick up any guy or that she was into a guy. Sam was, and it was her audio log. I must check it out again though.

[ReverseSwimJog]

Considering said games had multiple 'races' (Human, Elf, Dwarf, Qunari, Turian, Quarian, Salarian, Wookiee, Rodian, Twi'lek etc... ), I find it surprising someone would bring up the 'colour of skin' argument. Actually no I don't. This is the Bioware forums where nothing should surprise me anymore.

 

To say that there is no reasoning behind a concern about the lack of romanceable black characters because these narratives are set in fantasy worlds with multiple races within them ignores the fact that these worlds are still the product of their creators. They chose who is in their world and who is romanceable. Just because your imaginary world has elves in it doesn't explain the dearth of romanceable black characters. The romanceable aliens, elves & whatevers are still there at the expense of any black characters. Take Baldur's Gate 2. They kill off Dynaheir and replace her as Minsc's witch with a pale skinned elf. Then they make that elf romanceable.

Fine, cook the books and take the aliens and elves out and Bioware has 2 black human characters out of a possible 23 romanceable human characters over the course of their games (not including SWTOR because I'm not that well versed). That's a 9% representation (caveat: again my stats could be wrong).

[90s Luke]

Even if, for whatever reason, I was disappointing with Cassandra (which I'm not), I tend to get extremely meta with my RPGs, and I play the story/romances every possible way with many different protagonists. Inquisition has four player races, each with two genders, and there's multiple bi characters...

 

This game... there's a Walter Donovan meme coming to mind.

 

*player tries to romance a non-romanceable character*

 

The voice of Gaider: "You chose poorly."

 

[Willowhugger]

Umm, I'm quite sure that was not the case. I remember because some straight guy who insisted on Lara being his fictional wife brought that part up during one discussion and from what I remember it didn't imply at all that Lara pick up any guy or that she was into a guy. I must check it out again though.

I'm not overly invested in defending the hetero-normality of Lara so I'll take your word for it.

[Willowhugger]

Ok, this thread is getting out of control, DA:I is a RPG, not a date simulator

 

And I really don't like seeing Allan losing his cool.

Isn't it the Romance, thread?

[LPPrince]

I might be mistaken with Tomb Raider (it's been a while since I played it) unfortunately, based on some other comments.

 

I do agree with you that female homosexuality is seen as more acceptable.

 

I believe the idea was to make Lara more obviously interested in women/females, but one of the higher ups said to make it more subtle.

 

It was hinted more heavily in a comic, if I recall.

[mindoirs]

Ok, this thread is getting out of control, DA:I is a RPG, not a date simulator

Yes, but this is a romance thread. You know where you are.

[BobZilla84]

Whehter it's bad or not depends entirely on how it is handled.  We have very little experience to draw on with how a "stay at home" LI would be like. 

 

*wonders if such romances would begin with "Honey, I'm home!" whenever the Inquisitor returns*

 

Also recall that very little romance content have ever been shown on the road.  In the past it's almost exclusively been back at base:  Party camp, the Normandy, Hawke's estate, etc.  The most that would be missed is likely the banters, and what Ive given to understand, the advisors (all three of them) have loads of it back at Skyhold.

Yeah I am sure the Advisor options will be great I love Scribbles and I hope we can get alot of banters,scenes and content with her she is gonna be my LI 98% of the time.

[Willowhugger]

Speaking on the gay representation issue, I like the fact that Dorothea/The Divine is a lesbian too.

Good choice there, Bioware.

[Allan Schumacher]

It's not hard to believe that women are becoming more gamer prone than in years past (I'd actually like to know what caused this drift). Even if the gap is closer than in  years past it doesn't account for the reason why Bioware is choosing to appeal to other themes, such as those of the gay nature. Perhaps I am ultra conservative in this respect but showcasing certain themes in games just for the sake of doing so doesn't make much sense to me, it feels forced due to either social or cultural pressure to change. The result is that those of traditional viewpoints are being left behind and somehow becoming a minority (at least it feels that way) and the gay cultural is now being put on a pedestal as the next best thing since sliced bread.

 

 

Most of the content in our game is pretty sexuality... agnostic? (for lack of a better term)  Straight people will like the adventure they go on.  Gay people will too.  So will all sorts of other sexual orientations.

 

The romances just make up a slice of it.  It's not "forced" due to social or cultural pressure to change... though I do think that social and cultural shifts make it an easier topic for us to address than maybe it would have been in the past.

 

 

I don't consider "gay culture" to be on a pedestal.  It is getting more exposure now (from virtually nothing) and to some there's the inclination to believe that it is "everywhere" simply because they are not used to seeing it at all.

[seraphymon]

I agree its very unfair
I really liked everything I have seen so far from the game and I will definitely buy it BUT they really screwed up with the Romances this time with favouring straight females and screwing over all the rest (not only straight males but also gay males &females)

Would it really have been that bad to make Solas bi ? or Blackwall?

Nope not according to Bioware it seems one group is always favoured instead of fixing it with DA:I and providing equal

options they just moved the problem to another group great fixing Bioware!!

Yep I'm still pissed and Allans comment didn't make anything better

Agreed, I also found Allan's post offensive too.  It really is something.  Providing equality is a huge step forward, but this need to overcompensate  and instead provide inequality is ridiculous,

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

*player tries to romance a non-romanceable character*

 

The voice of Gaider: "You chose poorly."

 

hah! not the reference I was thinking, but pretty perfect actually.

 

I gotta see the Dwarf and Ironbull romance scenes *strokes chin* to picture it... my imagination is stressed.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Most of the content in our game is pretty sexuality... agnostic? (for lack of a better term)  Straight people will like the adventure they go on.  Gay people will too.  So will all sorts of other sexual orientations.

 

The romances just make up a slice of it.  It's not "forced" due to social or cultural pressure to change... though I do think that social and cultural shifts make it an easier topic for us to address than maybe it would have been in the past.

 

 

I don't consider "gay culture" to be on a pedestal.  It is getting more exposure now (from virtually nothing) and to some there's the inclination to believe that it is "everywhere" simply because they are not used to seeing it at all.

That hit the nail on the head.

 

...the bold part.

 

...uh, the rest was good too.

[BobZilla84]

I hope we can shamelessly flirt with Harding/ Dagna because my DwarfQuisitor only like dwarfs and Dwarfs only.