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[Jester]

Hmm, I have no issue with females having more romances than males. Straight males have 2 options, which is an identical number as in both previous titles. That's enough. Complaining that "buuuuut theeeey have moooore. I waaannna moooore toooo!" sounds pretty petty to me.

 

I have an issue with another thing. Possible romance options for straight males lack very much in feminity department. Cassandra, with her very short hair, agressive and dominant attitude and masculine features is especially bright example. Josephine seems a bit better in that regard, but when you compare her to Leliana (who was feminine almost to the point of being stereotypical), Morrigan (with her revealing outfit, interesting hairstyle and overall attractiveness), Isabela (large breasted, olive skinned pirate chick...) or even Merill (with petite elven physionomy, and naive, 'innocent' character), she doesn't fare too well. She is more feminine compared to Cassandra, but is not especially attractive - particularly when compared to new-engine Leliana or Morrigan. Hell, even basic FemHawke is better looking. 

 

Women on the contrary, get guys who possess most of masculine features kept in high regard. It says something, that apart from Solas, all straight female romance options are warriors, who look and behave like warriors. 

Is this some sort of reversal, from DA2, where male LI were whiny, emo-looking (Fenris) guys, having serious psychological issues that the female needs to resolve or support, and men got either a girl who'd sleep with anyone, or a virgin (to each his preference), both very feminine in both looks and behavior?

[zerox505]

great the only dragon age game where romance is the least of my worries. 

[seraphymon]

Hmm, I have no issue with females having more romances than males. Straight males have 2 options, which is an identical number as in both previous titles. That's enough. Complaining that "buuuuut theeeey have moooore. I waaannna moooore toooo!" sounds pretty petty to me.

 

I have an issue with another thing. Possible romance options for straight males lack very much in feminity department. Cassandra, with her very short hair, agressive and dominant attitude and masculine features is especially bright example. Josephine seems a bit better in that regard, but when you compare her to Leliana (who was feminine almost to the point of being stereotypical), Morrigan (with her revealing outfit, interesting hairstyle and overall attractiveness), Isabela (large breasted, olive skinned pirate chick...) or even Merill (with petite elven physionomy, and naive, 'innocent' character), she doesn't fare too well. She is more feminine compared to Cassandra, but is not especially attractive - particularly when compared to new-engine Leliana or Morrigan. Hell, even basic FemHawke is better looking. 

 

Women on the contrary, get guys who possess most of masculine features kept in high regard. It says something, that apart from Solas, all straight female romance options are warriors, who look and behave like warriors. 

Is this some sort of reversal, from DA2, where male LI were whiny, emo-looking (Fenris) guys, having serious psychological issues that the female needs to resolve or support, and men got either a girl who'd sleep with anyone, or a virgin (to each his preference), both very feminine in both looks and behavior?

While I do disagree with  the whole "we want more" debate.  I do agree about the options we do have, which is why I was hoping for Leliana to be romanceable again. When it was confirmed she wasn't, my last hope rested on Vivi. Cassandra is too butch, much more than Aveline. And because of the  clipping excuse, we are never given any real long haired woman. Scribbles hair is tied up in bun. ><.   Granted Vivi seems to always wear a hat, but she at least seem to exuberate feminity

[fluke1222]

Thanks Mike for sharing this news. I try to avoid seeing any content before I play an RPG, but after playing bg2 for 100 hrs as a dwarf, I've learn research pays off : )

Did anyone else get blown away a bit by David Gaider`s list of romance scripts, basically he wrote all my favorites over every bioware game.

So based on the news, what characters are people thinking of? Anyone changing? Originally I was thinking straight male qunari and bi female dwarf. Now I'm thinking same dwarf, but also female bi elf. I'm a straight guy, but I see all romances as potential options for my character.

In terms of feedback for bioware, my first point would be you're obviously imo the best romance writers. I play games for story, and romance is really key, or rather love is key. Secondly, I thought bg2 had a perfect mix of ladies for guys... dark/sexy, cute/timid and strong/kind. I hope to always see this mix to some degree and I think 3 romance options is perfect. Obv, though bg2 didn't cater for other sexual preferences... With that in mind, 3 options for straight, bi, gay would be far too much, esp for the depth of writing we all crave. Therefore in my opinion removing sexuality restrictions would be the best idea. I also think you could avoid making all companions bi. A bit like the keep, you could quote your sexual pref at the start of the game, which would effect companion dialogue and back story. So in my game a companion might be a different person to someone else's game.

Those are my thoughts. I'm really excited for November. Also, thank you Allan for being so active on these forums, great to hear your views. It would be interesting to hear about other views from gay or bi people at bioware. I'm a writer and creating real characters is the single most important thing I feel. I usually cheat and change the names of real people when i write he he.

[just.somebody2]

Oh wow, already started cussing out Cass? Classy.

[ohnotherancor]

Bit late to the party, but thanks for the news, Mike. I hope that revealing all the romances in one fell swoop before the game releases becomes a regular thing in the future. Also, thanks to Allan for communicating with us.

[sandalisthemaker]

Hmm, I have no issue with females having more romances than males. Straight males have 2 options, which is an identical number as in both previous titles. That's enough. Complaining that "buuuuut theeeey have moooore. I waaannna moooore toooo!" sounds pretty petty to me.

 

I have an issue with another thing. Possible romance options for straight males lack very much in feminity department. Cassandra, with her very short hair, agressive and dominant attitude and masculine features is especially bright example. Josephine seems a bit better in that regard, but when you compare her to Leliana (who was feminine almost to the point of being stereotypical), Morrigan (with her revealing outfit, interesting hairstyle and overall attractiveness), Isabela (large breasted, olive skinned pirate chick...) or even Merill (with petite elven physionomy, and naive, 'innocent' character), she doesn't fare too well. She is more feminine compared to Cassandra, but is not especially attractive - particularly when compared to new-engine Leliana or Morrigan. Hell, even basic FemHawke is better looking. 

 

Women on the contrary, get guys who possess most of masculine features kept in high regard. It says something, that apart from Solas, all straight female romance options are warriors, who look and behave like warriors. 

Is this some sort of reversal, from DA2, where male LI were whiny, emo-looking (Fenris) guys, having serious psychological issues that the female needs to resolve or support, and men got either a girl who'd sleep with anyone, or a virgin (to each his preference), both very feminine in both looks and behavior?

 

So it's okay for a man who is a warrior to look and behave like a warrior, but not okay for a woman who is a warrior to look and behave like a warrior?

 

Cassandra's appearance fits her role and her character quite appropriately.  Cassandra seems believable, unlike typical depictions of hypersexualized women warriors in other games.

 

We know pretty much nothing about Josephine.  Actually, if her VA is anything to go by, Josephine seems like she will be plenty feminine and perhaps even have a pleasantly bubbly personality. 

[TK514]

It has to be analyzed from the greater cultural lens on a macrolevel in order to understand the complaints.  A single game isn't an issue.  Nor is it a remedy.

 

The issue is when looking at the pervasiveness of the idea across all games, and even all forms of entertainment.

 

 

Which is why I don't consider the context of the complaints to be equivalent.  I'm much more of a "big picture equality" type of person, rather than "any single individual game must be perfectly equal."

 

It may not be a remedy, but it can be the start of one.

 

When it comes to the 'idea across all games', to be frank, I personally don't care.  I don't play 'all games'.  In fact, I can't think of any other games I play with BioWare style romance content.  So BioWare games are 'all games' in this issue as far as I'm concerned.

 

The problem with trying to aggregate this issue out over time, or across some theoretical entertainment industry, is that you encourage the argument to continue.  You are actively encouraging the "Well, you got two over there, and I only got one, so it's ok if I get three now and you only get one" arguments to go on forever.  Whereas if you said "We don't care what the rest of the industry is doing, from this point on we are going to make a strict, predictable split", this conversation dies in your part of the woods.  You hold yourself as the champions of a standard, and while your fans will still argue subjective matters like quality, they (straight, gay, bi, male, or female) will never again have cause to say "but they got more".

 

Let's face it, you can't change the entertainment industry, and trying in some way to 'make up the difference' just ends up leaving a segment of your fans disappointed when they didn't have to be.

[Grayvisions]

 

I don't consider "gay culture" to be on a pedestal.  It is getting more exposure now (from virtually nothing) and to some there's the inclination to believe that it is "everywhere" simply because they are not used to seeing it at all.

 

Quoting this for my thesis, is you don't mind.

[TheKain0230]

There goes another game with no female dwarf option.. Sadness.

[sylvanaerie]

I'm happy.  I just wanted Blackwall, though Cullen was going to be my first flirtation before it was revealed the Grey Warden was an option.  

I plan on doing multiple runs with multiple types of Inquisitors and I'll make a PC for any of the NPC LI's I find intriguing.  Sorry Vivi wasn't an option, but she seems much more like Aveline to me in that she is too busy attending to her own goals that would preclude flirtation with the protagonist.

[Sporothrix]

I'm not overly invested in defending the hetero-normality of Lara so I'll take your word for it.

You don't need to, that's the entry that the fuss is about:

 

"We had so many awesome adventures together. That insane backpacking trip through Bulgaria, I was always dragging her out to clubs. And the hiking trip on the south face of Kilimanjaro; all Lara wanted to do was explore ruins, but who knew we'd run into so many cute guys? Certainly not Lara, haha!"

 

Although English is not my first language, I don't see anything in it that would imply that she's into men, though some people cited that part as an evidence for that.

[Jester]

Subjective

adjective

Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

Well... Yeah. 

Noticed that little phrase at the beginning "I have an issue"?

I have an issue. Like me, personally. Of course it's subjective. I described my opinion. I didn't write that all men have an issue with that, like some seem to imply. 

 

I'm not that happy about the romance options either but wow, this thread is vicious. I don't understand having THAT much ire. Also, what's with this crap of a lack of femininity? What you're really saying is a lack of a feminine STEREOTYPE. Call a spade a spade. 

 

Both feminity and masculinity are concepts based on a certain social normative  - or a 'stereotype' if you prefer. By definition.

Cassandra (and to lesser degree Josephine, at least in my opinion) quite radically doesn't fit that concept, and I expressed my displeasure with that. 

I also mentioned, that female LIs in previous games did fit that concept.

[nici2412]

Leliana as a bi li would have solved so many problems:(

Now i have to romance Josephine and hope there will be a character overhaul mod for cassandra to let her look less masculine when i start my 3rd playthrough (romancing sera with a female inquisitor on my 2nd playthrough)

[TheJediSaint]

Leliana as a bi li would have solved so many problems:(

Now i have to romance Josephine and hope there will be a character overhaul mod for cassandra to let her look less masculine when i start my 3rd playthrough (romancing sera with a female inquisitor on my 2nd playthrough)

Making Leiliana an LI again would've created far, far more problems than it would've solved.

[seraphymon]

Making Leiliana an LI again would've created far, far more problems than it would've solved.

I dont think so at all. I mean its simple. If you romanced her as the warden or so, shes off limits. If you didnt shes fully open.

[TheJediSaint]

I dont think so at all. I mean its simple. If you romanced her as the warden or so, shes off limits. If you didnt shes fully open.

Thus adding an additional, unnecessary layer of complexity.  Along with using up resources better used on different characters.

[costalren28]

Leliana as a bi li would have solved so many problems:(

 

DLC O'  Bioware! Bring on the DLC!

[Cylan Cooper]

The wait for the last love interest to be announced was excruciating. Blackwall and Vivienne were actually my two top picks as to who I'd like to see as LIs. Maybe it's just because I've been watching this show a lot lately, but a relationship between Vivienne and the Inquisitor would be like the Underwoods in House of Cards.

 

SO happy Blackwall's a love interest though. He's probably going to be my favorite companion. The companions in this game are all so good too. There's not a single one that I dislike (although my various Inquisitors will probably end up disagreeing with the worldviews of one companion or another) and that's saying something. Can't wait for November 18th to get here!

[Pierce Miller]

agree man I miss DA2 Cassandra I thought she looked beautiful but now?

While I preffered her previous look I still think she's beautiful and I definitely don't understand those saying she looks manly.

[TheJediSaint]

While I preffered her previous look I still think she's beautiful and I definitely don't understand those saying she looks manly.

I tilt more towards her new look.  Her face has a lean, severe kind of gravitas going on.

[The Elder King]

I actually really didn't like DA2 Cassandra, though to be fair I disliked the vast majority of characters' appearance in DA2.