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[HiroVoid]

Everyone in DAO was ugly.  They had those ugly teeth.

[Shard777]

Any particular reason why my post was deleted?  Is it not acceptable to think particular characters are ugly?

[Pierce Miller]

I tilt more towards her new look.  Her face has a lean, severe kind of gravitas going on.

Is it strange that I find her scar attractive?   

[The Elder King]

Any particular reason why my post was deleted?  Is it not acceptable to think particular characters are ugly?

Maybe it was the way you worded it?

[TheJediSaint]

Is it strange that I find her scar attractive?   

No.

[HiroVoid]

Any particular reason why my post was deleted?  Is it not acceptable to think particular characters are ugly?

Its a thin line.  Calling a character ugly is sorta like saying everyone who looks like that in real life is ugly.  Also, insulting characters can easily lead into attacks on people defending the characters.  That kind of discussion seems more better to discuss with a bunch of friends or users you're on familiar terms with rather than a volatile thread like this certainly isn't the best place for it.

[HiroVoid]

Is it strange that I find her scar attractive?   

I'm hoping for more scars under the armor kinda like Casca from Berserk.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Everyone in DAO was ugly. They had those ugly teeth.

Thank the Maker for white teeth mods.

Ain't nobody got time for nasty yellow chompers.

[Pierce Miller]

I'm hoping for more scars under the armor kinda like Casca from Berserk.

Seconded

[wright1978]

Both feminity and masculinity are concepts based on a certain social normative  - or a 'stereotype' if you prefer. By definition.

Cassandra (and to lesser degree Josephine, at least in my opinion) quite radically doesn't fit that concept, and I expressed my displeasure with that. 

I also mentioned, that female LIs in previous games did fit that concept.

 

Sera is certainly the character i found most conventionally attractive but writing choice and the introduction of orientation gating meant that option being absent.

I'm still  interested and attracted to Cassandra even if she doesn't fit the same mould.

[Calders]

So it's okay for a man who is a warrior to look and behave like a warrior, but not okay for a woman who is a warrior to look and behave like a warrior?

 

So this is the problem... he didn't say it wasn't ok for woman who is a warrior to look and behave like a warrior.  What he said is that masculine looking women are less attractive to most men.  I think Cassandra is a great character for the game the way she is, but I agree she doesn't seem like an appealing LI.  Its not sexist to be more attracted to feminine women.

[Cylon King]

I have no problem on the break up of the romances, it is fair and gives everyone a choice but I don't like the Male straight options.

 

I am not a fan of Cassandra's character just based on DA2. I found her dull and not very interesting just based on what I read about her character and the brief time she showed up in DA2. I expected she would end up with Varric in this game.

 

Josephine is still a mystery to me but her bio has be thinking she is a bit stuck up like Cassandra. I hope I am wrong on this.

 

My preference has always been Tali/Merrill characters and I was hoping for another one this time around.

[BobZilla84]

I'm still doubtful of the advisor romances but we will see
Since my hope was crushed when Blackwall was announced to be straight my Inquisitor will be romancing Josephine (Cassandra is way too masculine for my tase, her DAI version at least)

 

Even though most of the content took place in the player base there is still a difference with you LI fighting along side you against Demons, Darkspawn etc. as opposed to sitting at home...

Yeah I hear that and thats my problem see I just am not feeling Cassandra her looks are not really the issue its her personality that bothers me granted that might change but right now I don't know.

 

Another thing that concerns me about Josephines romance is that there has to be alot of Content "Scenes,Banters" to actually be equal with the Companion LIs because the can be with you as you slay demons but Josephine isnt which is why I get this bad feeling we are walking into a Traynor esq Romance minus the addition of Citadel content I hope I am wrong but I dont know.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Well... Yeah. 
Noticed that little phrase at the beginning "I have an issue"?
I have an issue. Like me, personally. Of course it's subjective. I described my opinion. I didn't write that all men have an issue with that, like some seem to imply.

Both feminity and masculinity are concepts based on a certain social normative - or a 'stereotype' if you prefer. By definition.
Cassandra (and to lesser degree Josephine, at least in my opinion) quite radically doesn't fit that concept, and I expressed my displeasure with that.
I also mentioned, that female LIs in previous games did fit that concept.

Ah, not trying to light a fire, I just wanted to throw that out there. Personally having an issue with something doesn't automatically mean it's a personal issue, i.e. subjective. But furthermore, there is a lot of line drawing in this discussion, a lot of implying: this character isn't feminine, this character is ideally masculine, that character was more feminine, etc.

When in actuality these words describe fluid concepts that have radically different meaning in both time and place. Where is anyone to draw that special line that says someone is "traditionally" or "typically" or "conventionally" feminine or masculine? The best anyone can really do is assign them the qualities they personally value. I mean, no romantic female character in Dragon Age has ever been truly "traditionally feminine" on account of them almost always being some sort of warrior. Josephine however, she appears to be the first character to actually be quintessentially feminine in the traditional view, to my knowledge, she does not fight, and she wears a dress.

It just seems to me that you're assigning personal values to concepts you haven't fully analyzed. The words feminine and masculine are so widely abused that it would perhaps be better to leave them out of your reasoning entirely, and rather opt for a wholly personal and individual reason for your preference/s. At least, I've found this approach to work better. For example, I find that I'm attracted to strength, therefore a character like Cassandra is very appealing, but because strength is synonymous with traditional masculinity, Cassandra is not thought of as feminine, despite her possession of the biological prerequisite. Therefore I opt to abandon the rather primitive and limiting traditional feminine definition.

I hope that made sense. It is cold this morning, my brain is slow.

[AlexiaRevan]

 

 What he said is that masculine looking women are less attractive to most men.

But most men isn't every men . Some men or most other mens will find them attractive . 

 

 

Its not sexist to be more attracted to feminine women.

I wouldn't know . But isn't that how stereotype start ? Then we end up with a certain mold ? 

[Jaison1986]

Yeah I hear that and thats my problem see I just am not feeling Cassandra her looks are not really the issue its her personality that bothers me granted that might change but right now I don't know.

 

Another thing that concerns me about Josephines romance is that there has to be alot of Content "Scenes,Banters" to actually be equal with the Companion LIs because the can be with you as you slay demons but Josephine isnt which is why I get this bad feeling we are walking into a Traynor esq Romance minus the addition of Citadel content I hope I am wrong but I dont know.

 

Yeah, same, considering she shoves an sword at your neck the very first time she meets you I expect her to rub under my skin all the time. I just don't get what's so amazing about Cassandra.

 

My fear is that Josephine romance will just bore me till I sleep, wich is exactly what happened when I romanced Liara, an character that was writen by the same person that is writing Josephine.

[Acerbus Wings]

So this is the problem... he didn't say it wasn't ok for woman who is a warrior to look and behave like a warrior.  What he said is that masculine looking women are less attractive to most men.  I think Cassandra is a great character for the game the way she is, but I agree she doesn't seem like an appealing LI.  Its not sexist to be more attracted to feminine women.

 

It's not "sexist" to be more attracted to different types of women. It is sexist to basically imply someone's not worthy of being romanceable just because of how she looks, let alone the fact she doesn't appear a conventional form of femininity. 

 

There's a lot of reasons to not want to romance Cass, including "I wasn't fond of her character from what I saw" and "I like characters like Josephine more" or even "I secretly ship her with Varric". However, by basing it on appearance alone (especially the one comment about waiting until they make an appearance mod for her), it just becomes insulting. She's still the same woman regardless of how she looks, and if anything her says something about her, scars and all. And honestly, I think she's as gorgeous as Josephine or Vivienne, but that wouldn't be why I'd romance her as much as I like what else I've seen of her.

 

Saying she's an "unappealing" love interest because she's not conventionally beautiful is sexist, much as it is in the real world when women who aren't "conventionally"beautiful either get shamed for it or treated differently, because they aren't "appealing enough" or "worthy" of anything. It boils people down to just their appearances, which goes for more than just Cass but other reactions to even characters where it's, "I'M SO LET DOWN. I'M STUCK WITH THE UGLY CHICK".

[Calders]

I wouldn't know . But isn't that how stereotype start ? Then we end up with a certain mold ? 

 

But what so wrong with Stereotypes... after all some of them exist because they are true, just because something is a stereotype doesn't mean its negative.  

It is no surprise that for a majority of straight men and women, the things that make the sexes different from each other are the things we find most attractive... these concepts change over time and culture but this basic rule remains true.

p.s. I should add that I am also no fan of the old Bioware problem of giving all women ridiculously large breasts that really don't fit with athletic builds.

[MACharlie1]

Everyone in DA: I  seems to be very much above average in attractiveness.

 

Whats throwing everyone off in terms of Cassandra and Sera is the hair. Put them both in those horrid prom-esque hairdos that Bioware/Sims modders love to give their female characters and they'll be pretty. 

[Spectre Impersonator]

I wonder what happens if a girl dwarf tries to put the moves on Olson?

[quarianqueen]

I can't believe how much this has exploded over romance. No matter how Bioware tried to even it out a lot of people were not pleased. It just got worse when two extra straight options for females were added. I've seen men complain that their choices are unattractive and too manly, that there are too many gay characters, and even how none of them are appealing to that person. I have seen people actually canceling pre-orders because of this, smh. Sometimes I think people forget that you don't have to romance anyone, that you can just befriend them and have a good time. Romance is pretty much something you can choose to have. Some of my friends weren't really attracted to characters that were given in past Bioware games and they chose to be single and save the world. That didn't stop them from enjoying the game. They explored, befriended squadmates, did missions with their favorite characters, and had fun doing everything regardless of not having a LI. I wanted to romance Tali as a female Shepard but she was a male LI only, that didn't stop me from being her friend and loving her regardless. 

[just.somebody2]

Someone please stop these dudebros from spewing all this misogyny.

 

Ugh, why did I even come back here.

[AlexiaRevan]

But what so wrong with Stereotypes... after all some of them exist because they are true, just because something is a stereotype doesn't mean its negative.  

It is no surprise that for a majority of straight men and women, the things that make the sexes different from each other are the things we find most attractive... these concepts change over time and culture but this basic rule remains true.

p.s. I should add that I am also no fan of the old Bioware problem of giving all women ridiculously large breasts that really don't fit with athletic builds.

Nothing wrong with stereotype . Only like anything else , they can be misused . It is like Alignement . You have good and evil . Then peoples start saying 'Give me more gray Please' . What's wrong with Good and Evil ? Nothing . But having more options that are gray is GOOD . It is diverse , it open endless new possibilities . Which should be encouraged , for when something is new like a game...it should be new in everything ! Stereotype often are used to rehearse or bring back something we already saw . Exemple: Malak in Kotor being compared or 'said to be' Copyed in Darth vader and some fans going mad because he was nowhere near as awesome . Stereotype can be bad when peoples use them to paint such in such and force peoples to be such . Exemple: All asian are short . Therefor an asian person cannot be Tall . No way! get back in the box!! 

And considering we cannot control what peoples do or how they use stereotype then , the more we move from them the better . More stereotype is refusing new gray area that may just teach us something and make us grow . More stereotype = More ammo for those who misuse them . At least this is my opinion , feel free to disagree .

[sandalisthemaker]

Hello everyone, please keep discussion civil so this thread can remain open.

 

02, you are so fabulous!

[BobZilla84]

Yeah, same, considering she shoves an sword at your neck the very first time she meets you I expect her to rub under my skin all the time. I just don't get what's so amazing about Cassandra.

 

My fear is that Josephine romance will just bore me till I sleep, wich is exactly what happened when I romanced Liara, an character that was writen by the same person that is writing Josephine.

I agree Cassandra's Romance seems like it will be overly dramatic as you said she shoves her sword at your neck when you first meet her and you will have to work hard to earn her love "By agreeing with her always and not going against her in anything ever".