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nope i do not, i am not care much about appearance and only about his or her actions
So there's no reason for us to try and explain it then
But now I must ask why do you hate Cassandra so much, and what did Leliana do?
Not gonna ask about Cullen because of how bias you are about it
i was thinking that she is for many reasons would not be romance option as a Blackwall and if she would be so she would be lesbian
There is one problem with Cassandra being an lesbian is that in this one movie call Dawn of the Seeker where she had developed somewhat of a crush on a male mage.
As a straight, white, male gamer, I cannot like this post enough. Believe me, I tried. I unliked it and liked it again and it was still not enough. So much truth here, and I could not have stated it better.
Recognizing that these feeling of disappointment are the same feelings that every less privileged group goes through for pretty much everything on a daily basis is SO important. That is literally the single most important thing for people to take out of this, because it allows for people like me with more privileges to better understand and empathize with the feelings of people with fewer. And that understanding and empathy will eventually lead to equality, and hopefully discussions like these will become a thing of the past.
(As a note, I am not upset or disappointed. I was actually excited to hear another group getting the "bonus" content, as it were. Maybe I'm unusual that way, but to me it felt like a slight balancing of the scales, and a step toward aggregate equality in video games as an industry.)
I couldn't be more insulted by it. I mean is the perception of peoples visions about inequality so negative there is need to try and teach a lesson here? Really there seems to be plenty of empathy already when females get screwed or when LBGT gets screwed. How is doing or preaching about doing inequality going to lead to equality? All seems very contradictory.
Oh dear, the murder knife obssessives have arrived. Yes, rational discussion is lost
You just can't handle the edge Ajna, everyone should be killable just because, forget about them being important to the story, gotta live out those homicidal fantasies somewhere eh. 
I meant those as generalizations of the groups as a whole (I've run into girls who romance girls in DA games that don't like her, too), but thank you for having good taste.
Now, don't throw rocks at me. Cassandra IS attractive, just not so much my type. I often go weak in the knees for tough-ass women, but encompassed with a traditionally feminine tinge to them (This might be a weird choice as in reality, I'm a pretty feminine woman). Frankly, new Leliana fits that bill to a tee, but she's off the table as it is.
Ironically, I thought that we would be getting Cassandra for the opposite reasons. I was thinking, no way they'd pair up Sera or Josephine with a fem inquisitor exclusively. Obvious feminity tends to be paired up with masculinity, like twins. And surely, the sauve and dashing Cassandra will be the one for the fem PC? But I was wrong.
Just like I thought Cullen and Dorian would be for the straight ladies, and Blackwall, Solas/Ironbull as gay LIs. Wrong on nearly all counts too. I must say, it is certainly an interesting shake-up. 
lol the straight male gamers all think Cassandra is ugly
Just adding to the straight male gamers who are of the complete opposite mind regarding Cassandra.
Stupid and needless generalization.
There is one problem with Cassandra being an lesbian is that in this one movie call Dawn of the Seeker where she had developed somewhat of a crush on a male mage.
pfff he give him a single clumsy kiss in his cheak after all what he is done to her, and that was more than ~20 years ago, now she is mostly 40 year old Orlais virgin who do not know anything exept lyrium, prayers and fighting with "heretics" and mages...she is a copy of Meredith but Meredith was more beautiful
Today I learned this forum does not have an "ignore" button. 
Today I learned this forum does not have an "ignore" button.
You can ignore specific posters, but it requires a bit of effort (so worth it though). Click on your own username and then select Manage Ignore Preferences. The rest should be self-explanatory.
Today I learned this forum does not have an "ignore" button.
Whilst it doesn't have a button per-say you can always go to your account and 'manage ignore prefs' and manually add the people you want to ignore to the list. You then won't see what they say.
A direct 'ignore' button would've been nice though I agree.
Edit: Dangit, ninja'd by an Overpriced Cat Doll, who'd have thought it
Whilst it doesn't have a button per-say you can always go to your account and 'manage ignore prefs' and manually add the people you want to ignore to the list. You then won't see what they say.
A direct 'ignore' button would've been nice though I agree.
Edit: Dangit, ninja'd by an Overpriced Cat Doll, who'd have thought it
Can I just savor the fact that I, the slowest typist in the known universe, managed to ninja someone?
pfff he give him a single clumsy kiss in his cheak after all what he is done to her, and that was more than ~20 years ago, now she is mostly 40 year old Orlais virgin who do not know anything exept lyrium, prayers and fighting with "heretics" and mages...she is a copy of Meredith but Meredith was more beautiful
I didn't know you had a copy of the game already
Yeah, "sausage fest" is a pretty standard term for anything male-dominated. At least where I live.
Ok with all the "Sausages" going around this thread who's for BBQ ? I'll bring the Chicken Drumsticks.who's got the Beer ?
I will dream about my Dwarf and the Iron Bull.... 
Don't call me weird, BioWare thought of it first. I'm simply appreciating it.
Today I learned this forum does not have an "ignore" button.
It does! Click on your name in the upper right, click on manage ignore prefs, and you can put in the name of the folks you want to ignore
edit: whoops, got beat to answering
It makes me said that David Gaider has said they've considered scrapping romances altogether because of the way people react. I was sorely disappointed that I couldn't romance Alistair or Sebastian as a gay man, but never enough to develop any animus towards the Bioware team. It's great that the devs can create characters that evoke such passion, but people playing a Mature-rated game should be able to process disappointment more constructively than reacting in such a way that talented people just want to quit creating things.
I couldn't be more insulted by it. I mean is the perception of peoples visions about inequality so negative there is need to try and teach a lesson here? Really there seems to be plenty of empathy already when females get screwed or when LBGT gets screwed. How is doing or preaching about doing inequality going to lead to equality? All seems very contradictory.
To address those questions in order:
There is still a ton of inequality in games, and the world at large, so yes, "lessons" do still need to be taught. It may not be comfortable, but it is needed. I've been called out for having problematic beliefs before. It sucks and I feel terrible and angry when it happens, but I've always come out of it a better person with a better understanding of others.
There is also a lot of vitriol against people who speak out against women and LGBT people getting screwed, as well as vitriol against the groups themselves, so there is still a problem.
I'm not totally sure of your angle on the last question, so I'll answer both of my possible interpretations. Preaching may not be the word I'd using, but talking about inequality helps equality because it's the only way to make sure people are aware of it. When people are aware, they can work towards equality. To the other thing I think you might be saying, one game by one company does not make inequality. The fact that this game has an unequal ratio in romance options doesn't make gaming unequal. Inequality can only exist when it is systemic; that is, when there is an overall trend disfavoring particular groups. Because gaming culture still favors the straight, white, male gamer, within societal context this CANNOT be inequality. It would only be contributing to inequality if the game industry as a whole disenfranchised straight, white, male gamers. Which will certainly not happen.
So it's not contradictory. What an equal landscape would actually look like is that you'd have a ton of different games, and some of them would have more content for one group, some more for another, and still others more for another, and only some games would have something equally for everyone. People are diverse, it's pretty much impossible to give something that pleases everyone equally when characters are involved.
It's not wrong to feel insulted and angry. That's a pretty natural feeling when you feel like you're being treated as less than others. But what's important to understand is that for women, people of color, and gender non-conformers, this is a feeling that they deal with ALL THE TIME. It's just shocking for us to experience it because we're not used to it, we can't be used to it. But what needs to happen is that those feelings should be channeled into understanding for the problems of those who are still facing systemic inequality. Because we're not. We have not been screwed. We still get more media content than everyone else combined, and one game does not change that, and one game does not mean we are facing disadvantage. And that's important to realize.
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Just want to say that you're one of the reasons why I still have hope for humanity. Hope more others can follow your example. Lets us minorities be a bit less afraid to trust.
Just want to say that you're one of the reasons why I still have hope for humanity. Hope more others can follow your example. Lets us minorities be a bit less afraid to trust.
Wow. This feels really good to hear. Thank you. Your kind words have just brightened an otherwise 'bleh' kind of day for me.
Just adding to the straight male gamers who are of the complete opposite mind regarding Cassandra.
Stupid and needless generalization.
Hear, hear.
^Great post theflyingzamboni. All my likes.
Alright, Alright - I've 'ad a nap; what's all this rot about?
Solas unpopular? *NEVER* My Chrome Dome Cutie is going to probably be my first playthrough... Either that or Cullen..
Can't run from me now that I'm not bound from circle rules!
Maybe Iron Bull's pecs.. Or I could #ClimbtheWall.
It makes me said that David Gaider has said they've considered scrapping romances altogether because of the way people react. I was sorely disappointed that I couldn't romance Alistair or Sebastian as a gay man, but never enough to develop any animus towards the Bioware team. It's great that the devs can create characters that evoke such passion, but people playing a Mature-rated game should be able to process disappointment more constructively than reacting in such a way that talented people just want to quit creating things.
I cringe whenever I hear that some of our fanbase go to Twitter and quite aggressively attack the devs/writers there. Like I get being disappointed/upset with some of the options, hell I've been disappointed with some of the reveals myself for various reasons but seriously get a grip. That's not cool and I don't blame some of those from the Bioware team who are reluctant to visit or interact in these forums because of nasty experiences with some fans in the past.
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