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they may surprise you once start playing. Some are just basing decisions on appearance and nothing else. Yeah people have rights to be shallow if they wish.
Well, the problem I was addressing isn't with the romance options, it's with changing your own PC to experience the romances.
Wait, they said we get a goat?
Err... not quite. They said... (very minor story spoiler, if it even counts as that)
Err... not quite. They said... (very minor story spoiler, if it even counts as that)
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Oh. Well, my dreams are crushed. 
Oh. Well, my dreams are crushed.
Well I guess a necromancer might still be able to get their goatmance 
Darn, I just found out that Vivienne won't be a romance... Ah well, guess I'll just have to romance Dorian on my first playthrough instead. Not that I'm complaining 
Err... not quite. They said... (very minor story spoiler, if it even counts as that)
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Ah. Now I *need* to know whether Skyhold has a catapult.
On topic: I count myself among the lucky ones. I found Cassandra pretty interesting and attractive the moment she was announced and tuned out of the rest of the possible-romances discussion from then on.
This. It's not just about 'not liking' to play a different gender/sexuality for some of us, either. I play as a male because I'm a trans guy and about 90% of the time, trying to play as a woman gives me serious gender dysphoria/shitty feelings since I'm basically just recreating in-game all the misgendering I experience in my real life (being called "miss" and "lady" because I'm not very masculine looking). So it's not just a simple matter of "why don't you try rolling a different gender/that's what RPGs are about" because for ME, rpgs are about giving me the chance to play as the gender I feel most comfortable as. I'm forced to 'role-play' a woman every day. I don't want to do it in my games too.
I don't expect most people to get this because most people are comfortable in their own gender and playing a different one isn't a big deal, but it'd be nice if, before people say "Just play a different gender", they'd try to understand that it's not that simple for all of us.
It's sad that people can't just be happy for others. [etc.]
Well, the problem I was addressing isn't with the romance options, it's with changing your own PC to experience the romances.
Oh deary me...I've gone all elfy now
Honestly, I think it's over estimated how many people guessed he'd be gay just because of the way he looked. I think a huge amount of people thought he would be gay just to offset Cullen, because they're the only really conventionally attractive, human men. A lot of people were saying exactly that.
I wrote over a hundred pages of fanfiction over a period of a couple of months about a headcanoned lesbian romance with a straight woman character in a BioWare game, and still couldn't work through my feelings about it.
Varric, Blackwall, and Iron Bull are all very conventionally masculine. Cullen we knew liked women from Origins and has the same blonde Templar look as Alistar (hope he's not a virgin.) Dramatic hands mustache guy 'looked' the most gay.
Of course, of the women we've seen, Cassandra looks the most gay.
Well, there's also Solas. He got quite a few guesses early on, but most people thought he'd be bi, because elves.
I saw a long conversation a while ago about whether Cassandra was a virgin, so Cullen speculation is fair enough, I guess.
The issue of Cassandra and Dorian vs stereotypes is interesting, though. I've seen many lesbians saying they hoped Bioware wouldn't avoid perceived stereotypes with characters like Cassandra. I've seen a decent amount of concern in here from gay men about Bioware making Dorian stereotypical. It throws into question a bit how Bioware should approach the issue. My opinion is that what's important is that the characters is more than just a stereotype and that they shouldn't be afraid to represent characters that happen to have qualities people could view as stereotypical on a surface level. But obviously that's just my opinion.
Err... not quite. They said... (very minor story spoiler, if it even counts as that)
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Who knows we might get a Goat Simulator add on...Though a Nug Simulator or Fennec Simulator would be nicer...
Oh, don't get me wrong; my tongue was firmly in my cheek when I made that post, and I don't begrudge anybody anything about the way love-interest genders and sexualities are distributed. Protip: when I don't use proper capitalization, punctuation, or grammar in a post, I'm not being serious.
At the same time, though, the post did rise from a feeling of genuine disappointment when I learned Cassandra was straight. I normally try to avoid getting sucked into projecting things onto BioWare characters I don't know anything about, precisely because of the potential to be disappointed when I learn more about them. But given what we already did know about her, Cassandra was...awfully close to 'my' kind of woman. You know, apart from the whole 'her being straight' thing. I was coming from a similar place as you were. And there is a fairly sizable contingent of women who felt like I did. I mean, Maria was the one who made the Cassandra thread.
There is kind of a long history of this sort of thing happening in BioWare games, of certain female characters ending up straight and lesbian players missing out on being able to experience that part of their story while roleplaying as somebody like themselves. Morrigan, Ashley, Miranda, Tali, Jack, literally every female romance in SWTOR. Yeah, they're just video games; a bunch of NPC pixels rejecting my character's bunch of pixels is nowhere near the magnitude of disappointment I get from blowing a first date or what have you. Doesn't mean it doesn't matter, though. I wrote over a hundred pages of fanfiction over a period of a couple of months about a headcanoned lesbian romance with a straight woman character in a BioWare game, and still couldn't work through my feelings about it.
But it's not really just about personal disappointment, is it? It's also about the very sizable contingent of straight men on this forum who've expressed a total lack of interest in Cassandra, because she's "butch", or "mannish", or "ugly", or what have you. You can't deny that those people are around, even in this thread. Before Cassandra was announced to be straight, I'd even say that most of her most active and vocal fans on this forum were women who wanted to create female Inquisitors to romance her, and most of her active and vocal detractors were men. And yes, y'know, #notallbsnmen, obviously...but you can see where the joke came from, especially when the previous poster set it up so beautifully.
I'm sorry if you feel insulted by that. I'm also sorry that you chose to interpret what I said as indicating that I didn't want straight male Inquisitors to have access to Cassandra's romance. Quite the opposite: I would have very much preferred her to be bisexual, and open to everyone. Unfortunately, that wasn't in the cards. The way the devs structured romance options, there could only be one bisexual woman, and they picked Josephine. And I think Josephine's amazing, so I'm not exactly complaining about that.
But it is what it is. I'm not angry. I'm happy for men who get to romance Cassandra, like yourself. I'm disdainful of men who think she's not up to scratch. But like I've done with every BioWare game other than DA2, I'll fire up a male Inquisitor solely to go through the Cassandra romance plotline (and probably Dorian's, too). I'll go through the motions, not really feeling much of a connection with the character, and I'll be reminded yet again that developing expectations is a pretty stupid way to go about things.
@Eirene
You know I made a few posts about Cassandra and I know that I am one of the posters you mentioned and I can honestly say I was only angry about Vivienne not being an option and I hope I didnt come across sounding like I dont like Cassandra because I do it was the fact she is the only LI I have that will travel with my Inquisitor.
As a straight man I do play all kinds of characters male and female alike gay or straight but I just dont connect with them the same way you know I actually thought Cassandra was going to be Bisexual at first but that didnt happen.
I apologize if I offended in any way.
I feel the LI choices are interesting. You've got the "good guys" Cassandra, Blackwall, Josephine, Cullen: Kind, loyal, determined, generally look good. The lovers your parents would be proud of. And then the "bad guys" Sera, Iron Bull: chaotic, mischievous, fun, look more 'punk'. The lovers your parents would disown you for.
Not sure where to place Solas and Dorian yet. Maybe they're the "neutral guys".
Wait, they said we get a goat?
Maria, you're an awesome person.
I read a lot of posts after revealing all romance options, and saw the majority are about how they dont care that the options are not equal for STRAIGHT MALE gamer,because they always were prioritised before(which may be right, still not a good reason,seems pretty childish to me). Which i dont understand why people make it all about straigt males,when its the same issue with GAY MALE/FEMALES( 2/2/2 for them and 4 for straight females). And not all want to play as both genders and orientations,since some assosiate their characters with themselves.
I edited my post. I can say those that were forced to play certain roles already been hurt by limitations. Its time straight males got to see limitations themselves. I know myself, I was catered too much in many games. I would like to see all games change away from the man getting woman issues. Id like to see men getting men (rescue a male partner), females rescue females (same here as partners). Man seeks rescuing of his husband, wife seeks rescue of her wife, wife rescues her husband. I think would allow nice stories in general. Sorry again about earlier.
Excuse me, I might be interpreting this wrong but are you saying that you'd like to see limitations deliberately imposed on us straight guys? So in a way, you want me to be treated in the same way that minority groups were treated in the past (and probably are being treated) just so you can restore "balance". They were hurt by those restrictions before, so now it's my turn to get hurt?? I have a better idea, how about we just get rid of these so called restrictions and aim for inclusivity such that nobody gets hurt? I'm all for equality in that everybody gets equal choices. I don't mind some groups getting more but ignoring us entirely because *HISTORY*, is taking it too far.
And just so you know, I'm satisfied with the choices available to me in DAI. Apologies if I offended anyone, I'm just tired of hearing people say "if anybody deserves less, it's straight guys" or "straight guys should compromise on choices now since they've had lots in the past". How games treated minority groups in the past was wrong but you can't right that wrong by treating me(us) the same way now
I've read lots of post from people saying they have less content than others ...
Actually, every single one of us has the exact same amount of content available to them, the only thing that changes is that you may or may not be interested in the same portion of said content as others, but that doesn't mean it becomes unavailable to you. It's only a matter of taste, and saying that you were neglected/punished/etc... is actually inaccurate, you have access to the exact same thing as everyone else. But, in a "Role Playing" game, you play a "Role", so you can still have access to all the rest of the options available, by "playing the role" of, as an example, a she-inquisitor romancing Sera.
My point is, you're not deprived of anything, you simply prefer to restrain yourself to a few options with which you feel more comfortable.
Edit: And I agree that saying that straight guys deserve less is narrow minded, if not stupid. Everyone deserves as much, but things simply didn't go that way this time around, some of us are used to it, others not, and we all react differently to it, that's the only thing that is different here.
I've read lots of post from people saying they have less content than others ...
Actually, every single one of us has the exact same amount of content available to them, the only thing that changes is that you may or may not be interested by the same portion of said content as others, but that doesn't mean it becomes unavailable to you. It's only a matter of taste, and saying that you were neglected/punished/etc... is actually inaccurate, you have access to the exact same thing as everyone else. But, in a "Role Playing" game, you play a "Role", so you can still have access to all the rest of the options available, by "playing the role" of, as an example, a she-inquisitor romancing Sera.
My point is, you're not deprived of anything, you simply choose/prefer to restrain yourself to some options.
So, if BioWare simply made eight straight women as love interests, that would be fine, as anyone can roleplay a straight male PC, right?
While, I've no issue with that exactly. (Except that if they gave me Party members who looked like Dorian and Blackwall, I might cry.)
I feel that your profile pic only enhances your question.
Eight straight female LIs with fabulous facial hair, coming soon to DA4.
So, if BioWare simply made eight straight women as love interests, that would be fine, as anyone can roleplay a straight male PC, right?
That's not what I meant, I edited my post to make what I meant clearer (if it is clearer in any way) 
And this being said, I don't think they would do that.
This. It's not just about 'not liking' to play a different gender/sexuality for some of us, either. I play as a male because I'm a trans guy and about 90% of the time, trying to play as a woman gives me serious gender dysphoria/shitty feelings since I'm basically just recreating in-game all the misgendering I experience in my real life (being called "miss" and "lady" because I'm not very masculine looking). So it's not just a simple matter of "why don't you try rolling a different gender/that's what RPGs are about" because for ME, rpgs are about giving me the chance to play as the gender I feel most comfortable as. I'm forced to 'role-play' a woman every day. I don't want to do it in my games too.
I don't expect most people to get this because most people are comfortable in their own gender and playing a different one isn't a big deal, but it'd be nice if, before people say "Just play a different gender", they'd try to understand that it's not that simple for all of us.
You're probably right that I won't fully get it, but thank you for sharing the first paragraph because it DOES give me some insight into the challenges you might face, where before I had less.
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