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[monima]

Just read the news, I have to say I am suprised!  I never thought girls would get more than boys. I was sure the last option would be Viv, not another one for the women. So if I  play as an elven woman, I can pick and choose. Hmm, was going to be human first, but now I am not sure. Think I have to play the game at least five times

[TheJediSaint]

 

Ultimately we do have to take into account, at some point, how much content is going to be used. I say "at some point" because there's only so far one can take such an argument before we start justifying removing things like rogues and dwarves... 

How about Giant Spiders?  Can you guys remove those at some point.

[Lilith]

Do we really need to keep doing this?  Everybody who wasn't a straight male lost out in ME3.  Arguing over who had it the worst between straight women, lesbians, and gay men, never gets anywhere.

Fine. I just think it's BS what that person said about straight women always getting more but I'll drop the subject.

[HK-90210]

David, stop posting! I'm running out of likes!

[LiaraShepard]

I doubt conventionality has anything to do with it.

 

Ultimately we do have to take into account, at some point, how much content is going to be used. I say "at some point" because there's only so far one can take such an argument before we start justifying removing things like rogues and dwarves... the existence of options provides inherent value even to those people who do not take the options. That argument does apply when it comes to extra options, however.

 

If one is looking to Dragon Age to provide more options to gay players than everyone else because "we're the game that does that", I'd have to warn caution on that particular supposition. DA is not the gay messiah of the gaming industry. I won't say it could never happen, as I'm not the person who gets to decide such things, and--honestly--if we found a really compelling creative reason to do so we might find a way regardless, so I cannot rule it out. But let's not put the cart before the horse either, shall we?

 

okay, thanks for your honesty. I appreciate it. 

[ElitePinecone]

Well, I was looking at the angle of replayability. Since, I was reading that one of the arguments that people have for the romances, being "bisexual" is that it cuts down on replayability value. This way, provides a fresh perspective with a new playthrough, while giving everybody the same access.

 

Oh, I see what you mean.

 

I suppose it depends on how much content is allocated for the romances, and how unique they can make the variations for each gender. DA2's were largely similar regardless of whether Hawke was a man or a woman.

 

Making the romance arcs greatly different for each gender essentially amounts to 8 romances (depending on the level of shared content), which is what DA:I is doing anyway - and both systems give straight or gay/lesbian players the same minimum number of options, two.

 

But Inquisition spreads those romances over eight characters rather than four, which - to my mind - allows a much bigger range of sexualities and backstories, including for the first time ever an exclusively lesbian and gay character. I suspect that if it comes down to it, I'm more sympathetic to the writers' preference for more and different stories, rather than the players who just want to romance everyone.  

[David Gaider]

By the way, you can also consider DLC options. Since people are so against equal representation, than use an economic model, where you can sell more options down the line, to those who will pay for it.

 

The idea of romances as DLC has come up from time to time. I'm uncertain whether it will ever happen, however. I doubt the team in general is all that interested in such a focus.

[LostInReverie19]

Just read the news, I have to say I am suprised!  I never thought girls would get more than boys. I was sure the last option would be Viv, not another one for the women. So if I  play as an elven woman, I can pick and choose. Hmm, was going to be human first, but now I am not sure. Think I have to play the game at least five times

 

I know! It's very awesome. Huge thank you to BioWare and their tireless, amazing devs! I'm probably going to play the game at least a zillion times in a row to experience everything possible, including all 8 of the romances.  

[Steelcan]

Are romances that popular enough to warrant their own DLC?

 

A DLC focused on more interactions with the companions ala ME3's Citadel DLC is one thing, but an exclusively romantic one is another

[SofaJockey]

1) Making ... romances bisexual:

 

...doing so just added on all the extra cinematic work to add the extra genders into the various cinematic conversations (different genders are different heights, requiring extra camera work and a LOT of extra attention in any scene where the two characters interact), that would also mean cutting down on the number of total romances. It is NOT a matter of flipping a switch to add extra options.

 

I must say I'm fascinated by the technical element (while the equity debate swirls over my head).

 

I'm sure BioWare are far too busy now, but a 'making of' explanation of how these games are put together would be really interesting.

 

So I'm figuring that one bi-relationship, such as Josephine can be as much work as two single-sex relationships, Sera and Dorian combined. And probably still less work than Iron Bull because he's big. Kudos to John Epler on that.

 

I imagine that whilst being sad for the Dwarfquisitors, the VA and particularly animation saving on the 'extra' gated romances Cullen and Solas must be significant and makes those relationships possible.

 

Honestly I'm looking forward to enjoying the stories, and whilst I understand the level-playing-field equity argument and support it when it is possible to do, I find requests to cut other peoples' content simply because it is not applicable to them is a bit mean spirited.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The idea of romances as DLC has come up from time to time. I'm uncertain whether it will ever happen, however. I doubt the team in general is all that interested in such a focus.

I think people suggesting that may simply be intrigued by the fact that certain romance elements have been incorporated into DLC to varying degrees in the past, such as in ME2's Lair of the Shadow Broker (with Liara) and DA2's Sebastian. I'd say it's a fair idea, though I'm not particularly bothered by the possibility of it happening in future games.

[Drasanil]

The idea of romances as DLC has come up from time to time. I'm uncertain whether it will ever happen, however. I doubt the team in general is all that interested in such a focus.

 

I hope romance-DLC [or at least 'purely' romance DLC] doesn't happen to be honest. Rather have DLC focus on expanding the actual core game as opposed to adding more content to what are essentially a nice but optional features.   

[TheJediSaint]

Are romances that popular enough to warrant their own DLC?

 

A DLC focused on more interactions with the companions ala ME3's Citadel DLC is one thing, but an exclusively romantic one is another

I would rather a DLC focus on a particular locations or groups.  Deep Roads, Pirates, Nevarra, Pirates, Qunari Spies, Pirates.   Romances should be acknowledged, but shouldn't be the focus.  Also, Pirates.

[David Gaider]

So I'm figuring that one bi-relationship, such as Josephine can be as much work as two single-sex relationships, Sera and Dorian combined. And probably still less work than Iron Bull because he's big.

 

I imagine that whilst being sad for the Dwarfquisitors, the VA and particularly animation saving on the 'extra' gated romances Cullen and Solas must be significant and makes those relationships possible.

 

Both these points are correct.

[monima]

I know! It's very awesome. Huge thank you to BioWare and their tireless, amazing devs! I'm probably going to play the game at least a zillion times in a row to experience everything possible, including all 8 of the romances.

 Not that I am happy about the men getting less or anything, but it is pretty awesome to get so many options. I cant wait to play this game, and then replay I will probably play as a male this time as well. First time in a Bioware game. I just like the idea of playing a male qunari for some reason

[costalren28]

The idea of romances as DLC has come up from time to time. I'm uncertain whether it will ever happen, however. I doubt the team in general is all that interested in such a focus.

 

Thank you for the response! I will leave it up to the better judgement of the team then. These are all just ideas, really.

[AresKeith]

I would rather a DLC focus on a particular locations or groups. Deep Roads, Pirates, Nevarra, Pirates, Qunari Spies, Pirates. Romances should be acknowledged, but shouldn't be the focus. Also, Pirates.

Pirates of Thedas

The Inquisitor Jack Sparrow

[Steelcan]

Pirates of Thedas

The Inquisitor Jack Sparrow

*is playing ACIV*

[daveliam]

Well, I'm a bit disappointed to hear that having a single game (not necessarily an DA game) where the "bonus" romances are for gay and lesbian players is considered to be "putting the cart before the horse".  I suppose I understand; it's not like Bioware intended to become the primary source for LGB sexuality storytelling in video games.  It must be frustrating to feel pressure to have so many expectations from a minority group pinned on your product.  In general, it's probably better than the opposite, in the long run, but it's not like it's Bioware's main purpose as an organization.  I guess I just have to recalibrate my expectations going forward so that I don't become continue to be let down time and again, when it seems like I was understanding Bioware's stance differently than they intended.

[Willowhugger]

White straight men really are so underrepresented that the idea of reducing their representation is so horrible? Also, no one said anything about "outright eliminating" them.

While I support more diversity and more representation. I'd also like to say that while reducing it in Bioware doesn't reduce the fact there's a million white straight male protagonists.

Well, bluntly, there's only one Bioware.

Of course, I'd love for more diversity in the gaming industry as a whole so much of it sucked less.

[costalren28]

But Inquisition spreads those romances over eight characters rather than four, which - to my mind - allows a much bigger range of sexualities and backstories, including for the first time ever an exclusively lesbian and gay character. I suspect that if it comes down to it, I'm more sympathetic to the writers' preference for more and different stories, rather than the players who just want to romance everyone.  

 

You are welcome, and I see your point too. It's actually not just romances, but plot as well that could differ greatly, based on the origins of the player character. Connections can be used to greatly alter a chain of events, for example. But yes, I suppose that's a lot of work and coordination needed.

[SofaJockey]

...Hopefully that will change once the game comes out, and you can focus on what's actually there for you.

 

This is so true. The BioWare forum is like a giant free speculative Prologue DLC.

(buy extra likes for micro-transactions  )

 

The reason we're all in here is because DAI isn't out yet!

 

And being on the BioWare forum talking and arguing about it is more engaging than playing some games that are actually out...

[Jaulen]

Sweet!

 

 

Thank you for releasing all the romance information and race/sex 'gates'.

 

Well dang.....now there are SO MANY different Quizzys I will have to play. 

So looking forward to this, and expanding my 'comfort zone' with the types of characters I usually play.

Also looking forward to finding out the personalities of all the characters and what makes them tick. (I guess it's the benefit of going into a game....even with all the released information...without any preconceived 'head cannon')

 

Now to get going on some DAO and DA2 play throughs since I just wiped my hard drive and forgot to backup my game saves *sigh*

[Jaulen]

Well, I'm a bit disappointed to hear that having a single game (not necessarily an DA game) where the "bonus" romances are for gay and lesbian players is considered to be "putting the cart before the horse".  I suppose I understand; it's not like Bioware intended to become the primary source for LGB sexuality storytelling in video games.  It must be frustrating to feel pressure to have so many expectations from a minority group pinned on your product.  In general, it's probably better than the opposite, in the long run, but it's not like it's Bioware's main purpose as an organization.  I guess I just have to recalibrate my expectations going forward so that I don't become continue to be let down time and again, when it seems like I was understanding Bioware's stance differently than they intended.

 

 

I thought the 'bonus' romances...(to me bonus means extra.....) would be Cullen and Solas.....since UT it was noted that those two were 'added in' when DAI got extra development time.....

 

The gay and lesbian romances don't come off as 'bonus' material with that information. The two extra choices for certain female races does.