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[Icy Magebane]

The Inquisition will only be tolerated as long its useful.

 

Take that lesson to heart.

Which is why my first Inquisitor plans to make himself useful to those with power.  If vast authoritative power can be easily seized, that's one thing, but he won't be going out of his way trying to do so.  That would require far too much effort, and as you say it would involve a great deal of long-term risk.  He can already become more powerful than he ever dreamed by following the rules... and making sure that he determines who makes those rules whenever possible.  Attempting to be anything but a hero in the eyes of the people is just asking for trouble.  The only problem I foresee is keeping the lieutenants in line long enough to finish the game... some of them are a bit overly concerned with "the little guy," and even though this character is cunning enough to understand the need to hide his moral corruption, that isn't always possible... it's going to be a huge task considering this is a random guy dropped into a situation he should never have been a part of... a villain trying to fool a group of do-gooders into thinking he's one of them, if you will.

 

*sigh* all this talking about characters... can't it be November already?

[Master Warder Z_]

Which is why my first Inquisitor plans to make himself useful to those with power.  If vast authoritative power can be easily seized, that's one thing, but he won't be going out of his way trying to do so.  That would require far too much effort, and as you say it would involve a great deal of long-term risk.  He can already become more powerful than he ever dreamed by following the rules... and making sure that he determines who makes those rules whenever possible.  Attempting to be anything but a hero in the eyes of the people is just asking for trouble.  The only problem I foresee is keeping the lieutenants in line long enough to finish the game... some of them are a bit overly concerned with "the little guy," and even though this character is cunning enough to understand the need to hide his moral corruption, that isn't always possible... it's going to be a huge task considering this is a random guy dropped into a situation he should never have been a part of... a villain trying to fool a group of do-gooders into thinking he's one of them, if you will.

 

*sigh* all this talking about characters... can't it be November already?

 

...November is coming.

 

Spoiler

[Willowhugger]

I intend to play this Herald of Andraste thing to the hilt. It may end up in my martyring because that's usually the fate of social crusaders but I plan to make the Inquisition so indispensable to the peace of Thedas and myself such a figure of passion that people will get swept up in the changes I intend to bring to Thedas. I admit, though, I fully expect my epilogue to have some bad effects.

 

"You can choose the Templars or Mages or have them make PEACE so you can have BOTH."
"Mages."
"But you have the option of getting both!"
"MAGES!"

 

"You can make an accord with Duke Gaspard, Celena, and the Elves."
"Elves."

"but..."

[Wolfen09]

I hated being rivaled in da2, it just frustrated me to have my companions question my damn actions, but you can work around everything to where i had everybody (except carver) at friends status who followed hawke like little puppies waiting to be fed.  So this time i intend to do the same, be friends with everyone, and try to find any way around rivaling my companions.  Of course this might conflict with my intention of doing as much as possible on my first playthrough.  In one of the demos we had the option of saving the keep, the village, or both....  both being hard as hell from what i remember.  in the demo they saved the keep and the village was destroyed and closed off forever... yeah im not missing out on that, im doing both as much as possible so i can have access to more resources.

[Willowhugger]

I hated being rivaled in da2, it just frustrated me to have my companions question my damn actions, but you can work around everything to where i had everybody (except carver) at friends status who followed hawke like little puppies waiting to be fed.  So this time i intend to do the same, be friends with everyone, and try to find any way around rivaling my companions.  Of course this might conflict with my intention of doing as much as possible on my first playthrough.  In one of the demos we had the option of saving the keep, the village, or both....  both being hard as hell from what i remember.  in the demo they saved the keep and the village was destroyed and closed off forever... yeah im not missing out on that, im doing both as much as possible so i can have access to more resources.

 

I found Rival Aveline and Rival Fenris surprisingly satisfying.

 

You're their best friends but sooooo frustrating!

[Icy Magebane]

...November is coming.

 

Spoiler

rofl.... one of those rare times you wish you could like something twice...

[Master Warder Z_]

"You can make an accord with Duke Gaspard, Celena, and the Elves."

"Elves."

"but..."

 

What what, you would toss aside the rightful ruler of Orlais and her strategic genius/honorable to a fault rival in favor of poorly trained/outfitted/ connected rabble?

 

mmm I knew you were erm...committed to certain platforms but erm...doesn't that strike you as a tad bit...i don't know...stupid?

 

 

rofl.... one of those rare times you wish you could like something twice...

 

But on a more serious note, i have a feeling that the Inquisition can only survive if you actually do play the game of nation states, you are a mercenary army after all.

 

throw yourself to Orlais, the Chantry, Whatever Monarchy will have you, extend your usefulness, resources, make yourself ingratiated to those who actually make the decisions, bleed for them, tithe to them, whatever keeps their armies pointed towards their enemies and away from you...but eventually the day will come when that fails and even a useful tool is viewed as too much of a threat.

 

Then its time to hop on a boat to rivain and get the **** out of dodge.

[Mabari-Master]

Another thing I'm curious about when it comes to companion reaction, will the romantic interactions be different depending on your race or whether your a mage or not. I mean get the fact that certain LIs have their own preferences but will your origin have an effect on your romance? Like if a mage wanted to romance Cullen/Cassandra or a kossith romancing Dorian.

 

I ask because when romancing some of the characters in the last game they had obvious opinions about what you were when you romanced them. In the first game there was a little reaction but nothing so in depth.

[Willowhugger]

 

What what, you would toss aside the rightful ruler of Orlais and her strategic genius/honorable to a fault rival in favor of poorly trained/outfitted/ connected rabble?

 

mmm I knew you were erm...committed to certain platforms but erm...doesn't that strike you as a tad bit...i don't know...stupid?

 

Sadly, I don't think the game will allow you the option to let the Demons destroy Orlais.

 

No, that's unfair.

Sadly, there's no option to let the demons destroy the chevaliers and their entire disgusting social order.

 

I do know, however, I will take whatever options are available to weaken or foster dissent within their ranks. The Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard are both monsters with the latter more dangerous in terms of being a military dictator and conqueror while the former is probably worse in terms of spreading that country's poisonous influence.

 

Either of them triumphing in their civil war means the world will lose.

[Master Warder Z_]

Sadly, I don't think the game will allow you the option to let the Demons destroy Orlais.

Sadly, there's no option to let the demons destroy the chevaliers and their entire disgusting social order.

 

I do know, however, I will take whatever options are available to weaken or foster dissent within their ranks. The Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard are both monsters with the latter more dangerous in terms of being a military dictator and conqueror while the former is probably worse in terms of spreading that country's poisonous influence.

 

Either of them triumphing in their civil war means the world will lose.

 

Uh no; Gaspard winning ensures the survival of Orlais as a superpower.

 

Celene winning allows the same fostering discontent that has been weakening Orlais since Drakon to continue.

 

Beyond that Thedas needs Orlais.

 

For the time being at the very least, or do you wish for the Qunari to invade and meet Thedas without Orlais at it's peak?

[KC_Prototype]

I'll try to get along with everyone but we'll hit some bumps on the way. I may be a little mean to Cole though...initially.  

 

Marcus Trevelyan: Who and what are you??!!

 

Cole: I am Cole, a spirit I think...Or...Or...

 

Marcus: Or What??? A demon?!?!?!

 

Cole: *Nevorously* Uh...Yes...maybe

 

Marcus: Demon? NOPE! 

[Icy Magebane]

But on a more serious note, i have a feeling that the Inquisition can only survive if you actually do play the game of nation states, you are a mercenary army after all.

 

throw yourself to Orlais, the Chantry, Whatever Monarchy will have you, extend your usefulness, resources, make yourself ingratiated to those who actually make the decisions, bleed for them, tithe to them, whatever keeps their armies pointed towards their enemies and away from you...but eventually the day will come when that fails and even a useful tool is viewed as too much of a threat.

 

Then its time to hop on a boat to rivain and get the **** out of dodge.

Agreed.  The reality is that the entire army we'll be "commanding" is a group of volunteer soldiers who have thoughts and loyalties of their own.  So long as our primary focus is killing demons, these soldiers should be easy enough to control, but the moment we make a move against one of their homelands, we may be faced with mass desertions or even mutiny.  If such aggressive actions are even possible in the game... they probably won't be, but who knows... I'm pretty sure it's possible to fail at the game this time, so maybe this will occur if the Inquisition doesn't make enough strong allies or winds up being poorly run in general.  We'll see.

 

As for the individual rulers seeing us as a threat...?  A sad reality but it's something to keep in mind... it would suck having to move out of that huge fortress though.  Better make the most of it while it lasts.

 

I'm hoping that if the Chantry's power can be restored, and we are the cause behind it, that problem can be avoided for the most part...

[Willowhugger]

Uh no; Gaspard winning ensures the survival of Orlais as a superpower.

 

Celene winning allows the same fostering discontent that has been weakening Orlais since Drakon to continue.

 

Beyond that Thedas needs Orlais.

 

For the time being at the very least, or do you wish for the Qunari to invade and meet Thedas without Orlais at it's peak?

 

Mark of the Assassin summarizes my opinions on the subject. Tallis getting away with the scroll was a minor issue in the long run versus the fact she helped my Hawke kill an Orlesian Duke.

 

I'll gladly ally with them if it means killing more Orlesians. Hell, again, as above. I HAVE sided with the Qunari against Orlais.

 

(Oh and Tevinter)

 

[Hellion Rex]

My first Inquisitor would have no real problems with his companions, though I fear Sera might get annoying after a while.

[Icy Magebane]

My first Inquisitor would have no real problems with his companions, though I fear Sera might get annoying after a while.

Keep Iron Bull in the party so she is distracted and won't speak to you too often. 

[Willowhugger]

Agreed.  The reality is that the entire army we'll be "commanding" is a group of volunteer soldiers who have thoughts and loyalties of their own.  So long as our primary focus is killing demons, these soldiers should be easy enough to control, but the moment we make a move against one of their homelands, we may be faced with mass desertions or even mutiny.  If such aggressive actions are even possible in the game... they probably won't be, but who knows... I'm pretty sure it's possible to fail at the game this time, so maybe this will occur if the Inquisition doesn't make enough strong allies or winds up being poorly run in general.  We'll see.

 

As for the individual rulers seeing us as a threat...?  A sad reality but it's something to keep in mind... it would suck having to move out of that huge fortress though.  Better make the most of it while it lasts.

 

I'm hoping that if the Chantry's power can be restored, and we are the cause behind it, that problem can be avoided for the most part...

 

Yeah, the Inquisition is implied to be something of a group which will do a lot of diplomacy and good work but the fact it says you'll have the option of being able to add forces you've defeated in military conquests to your assets says everything doesn't it?

 

I see this as working very Pre-Medieval Roman style.

 

"The Romans have just kicked your ass."

"What do they want?"

"They want you to join them in kicking the guys next door's ass."

It worked for the Huns and Genghis Khan, after all.

[Icy Magebane]

Yeah, the Inquisition is implied to be something of a group which will do a lot of diplomacy and good work but the fact it says you'll have the option of being able to add forces you've defeated in military conquests to your assets says everything doesn't it?

 

I see this as working very Pre-Medieval Roman style.

 

"The Romans have just kicked your ass."

"What do they want?"

"They want you to join them in kicking the guys next door's ass."

It worked for the Huns and Genghis Khan, after all.

It's an intriguing system and I'm wondering how it will turn out in the end... I guess our first soldiers will be Ferelden, and then... what, we gain the allegiance of other nations after helping resolve their difficulties?  In that case, we'd get Orlesian soldiers after resolving the civil war, not beforehand...  or we could possibly ignore that area entirely and recruit other groups instead?

 

Actually it's hard to guess what will happen... I can see Varric and Cassandra being the first two companions, but won't we have to go to Orlais to recruit Vivienne?  Does Iron Bull just show up at Skyhold with his mercenaries one day?  Will we need to do things in a certain order to get access to the companions quickly like in DA:O?  So many questions...

[Willowhugger]

I will say, if I have to choose between Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard, I'll probably choose Duke Gaspard. Which is weird because I was a big proponent of Behlen and you'd think Gaspard would be the Harrowmont analog. As bad and evil as Gaspard is, I think he has some basic human decency underneath being a monstrous imperialist. Celene is just a snake.

[Willowhugger]

It's an intriguing system and I'm wondering how it will turn out in the end... I guess our first soldiers will be Ferelden, and then... what, we gain the allegiance of other nations after helping resolve their difficulties?  In that case, we'd get Orlesian soldiers after resolving the civil war, not beforehand...  or we could possibly ignore that area entirely and recruit other groups instead?

 

Actually it's hard to guess what will happen... I can see Varric and Cassandra being the first two companions, but won't we have to go to Orlais to recruit Vivienne?  Does Iron Bull just show up at Skyhold with his mercenaries one day?  Will we need to do things in a certain order to get access to the companions quickly like in DA:O?  So many questions...

 

I assume it'll work like Mass Effect 3.

I wouldn't be surprised if the War Assets system returned.

[Icy Magebane]

I will say, if I have to choose between Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard, I'll probably choose Duke Gaspard. Which is weird because I was a big proponent of Behlen and you'd think Gaspard would be the Harrowmont analog. As bad and evil as Gaspard is, I think he has some basic human decency underneath being a monstrous imperialist. Celene is just a snake.

I respect Gaspard's sense of honor, and that would resonate with my first Inquisitor even if certain other views wouldn't be so easy to accept... but I'll be waiting until the game is released to make that call.  Who knows what the situation will be like when we finally reach the moment when we have to decide?  Gaspard has the edge for me right now, but that could change...

 

For the record, I always chose Bhelen as well.  He seemed like a nice enough guy aside from the whole patricide thing... but as I understand it, he wouldn't seem so nice if I'd been playing as a dwarf noble... xD

[SgtSteel91]

I will say, if I have to choose between Empress Celene and Duke Gaspard, I'll probably choose Duke Gaspard. Which is weird because I was a big proponent of Behlen and you'd think Gaspard would be the Harrowmont analog. As bad and evil as Gaspard is, I think he has some basic human decency underneath being a monstrous imperialist. Celene is just a snake.

 

If I can somehow convince Gaspard to not invade Fereldan then I would consider allying with him. It's pretty much the tie breaker between the two. I'd like to save the world and not have it just go to war a few years later. I also like Fereldan (and it's dogs) and would prefer it stay independent.

 

But on topic: my Inquisitor will probably play the straight man to Varric's/Sera's/Iron Bull's antics

[Willowhugger]

If I can somehow convince Gaspard to not invade Fereldan then I would consider allying with him. It's pretty much the tie breaker between the two. I'd like to save the world just for it to go to war a few years later. I also like Fereldan (and it's dogs) and would prefer it stay independent.

 

Usually, I go with, "Who will help the poor, dispossessed, and abused?"

I.e. Behlen is an evil autocrat but a social reformer
Orsino is (maybe) an evil blood mage but he's not Meredith
 

But in Celene and Gaspard's case, the answer is "neither."

Celene will make calls for social justice and improvement then crack down like a madman if it threatens her position.

 

Gaspard won't make any attempt to improve the situation but he'll not pretend to be your friend either and isn't a backstabber. You know where you stand.

[90s Luke]

My Dalish mage (Revas) will get along with Cassandra, Solas, Sera, and Cole most of all.

 

Revas and Cassandra both believe justice is more important than law and duty. They are both serious, as well as idealistic at heart. Revas isn't a devout follower of the Creators (controversially believing, after many years of study, that they might just be very powerful spirits), so he doesn't have religious conflicts with Cassandra. However, he does appreciate that Cassandra is willing to question her own beliefs. Revas falls in love with Miss Pentaghast almost immediately after meeting her. Obviously, Cassandra will be Revas' love interest

 

Revas looks up to Solas as if he were an older brother. He strives to follow Solas' example of moderation.

 

Revas doesn't share Sera's sense of humor, but does share her dislike of authority figures (at least when they have no restrictions on their power). He also values the presence of as many elves in the Inquisition as possible, seeing it as a sign that elves can make an impact on the world. They will have a brother-sister relationship.

 

Having been raised in a Dalish clan, Revas understands Cole's search for purpose and relevance in the world. They will have sort of a father-son relationship, with Cassandra being the mother

 

Revas will attempt to reconcile the differences between Sera and Cole.

 

So yeah, it'll be one big happy family. Father Revas, Mother Cassandra, Uncle/Brother Solas, Aunt/Sister Sera, and Cole the Kid

 

Revas will favor Leliana in the advising department, not trusting human politics and disliking the idea of commanding a military (except if an opposing military is on the Inquisition's doorstep). He thinks that clandestine operations are risky, but ultimately necessary.

[SgtSteel91]

Usually, I go with, "Who will help the poor, dispossessed, and abused?"

I.e. Behlen is an evil autocrat but a social reformer
Orsino is (maybe) an evil blood mage but he's not Meredith
 

But in Celene and Gaspard's case, the answer is "neither."

Celene will make calls for social justice and improvement then crack down like a madman if it threatens her position.

 

Gaspard won't make any attempt to improve the situation but he'll not pretend to be your friend either and isn't a backstabber. You know where you stand.

 

For me one of them isn't a warmonger trying to start fights to justify an invasion.

[DameGrace]

Hehe. I even have a chart, summarizing how my Quizzies will get along with their group. For now I have three playthroughs planned: Human/Qunari/Elf, all three female pro-mage mages. Human is a tad of extremist, strongly opposing Chantry and the Circle system, but is more tolerant of other races. Qunari is moderate, horneless and strongly anti-Qunari. Maybe she will be an Andrastianian, but not the Chantry supporter. Elf is very tolerant of other races and religions, trying to find the diplomatic way out of things. So... to the chart then?

 

Blackwall: gets along, but doesn't like the GW's neutrality / gets along because admires GW / gets along, but many things about GW puzzle her

Cassandra: doesn't get along, because she is anti-Chantry / gets along, respects Cass' stubbornness and dedication to the Divine / gets along, but thinks Cass is tad rash 

Cole: doesn't get along, thinks he is too unpredictable / goes all mother-mode on him / feels sorry for him, but wary of his nature

Dorian: gets along, curious about not-your-usual Tevinter mage / gets along as much as he allows her to (after all, there is a history) / gets along, interested in different views on magic

Iron Bull: gets along, but has trust issues / doesn't get along, she is very vocal about her anti-Qunarism / gets along, but thinks he is more dangerous than appears to be (and he appears to be very dangerous)

Sera: gets along, thinks of her as little sister (Sera may not approve, but who's asking her?) / gets along, have girls' nights out with her / doesn't get along, because thinks Sera is too childish

Solas: gets along, because he is a mage born free / gets along, heeds his advice / gets along, because he offers an untainted view on magic and the Fade 

Varric: gets along, keeps asking him to tell her about Hawke / gets along, has drinks with him / gets along, but isn't really close to him

Vivienne: doesn't get along because their views on the Circle are polar opposite / doesn't get along because views Viv as too ambitious / doesn't get along because of their views on everything 

 

Cullen: doesn't get along because he is a Templar (and she doens't care he is a former Templar) / gets along if he can overlook her being Qunari / gets along and respects his religious views 

Josephine: gets along, has tea with her / gets along, but can be too aggressive for diplomatic Josie / gets along and likes her, has polite conflict-unrelated chats with her

Leliana: doesn't get along, has religious debates / gets along, but finds her boring / gets along and finds her faith and her dedication worthy of praise