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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I've been wondering about this for years. Compare the guy at the end of Origins talking about "Let the stone turn red from the blood of heroes." to the drunken deadbeat idiot in Awakening. He's a whole different guy. All character development tossed out the window. On top of that, he disapproves of nearly everything you say to him, and your previous friendship is irrelevant--you have to start at zero.

[Vapaa]

Because he was brought into the game via fan request, a decision David Gaider actually regrets (he said so in his blog)

 

Since he had no business in Awekening, his character was made of filler material. That said I wouldn't call that "deraillement", for his character was always on those tracks, the tracks that lead to the inevitable trainwreck.

[The Hierophant]

tbh he was a drunken deadbeat in Origins too. When you find him he's the intoxicated laughingstock of Orzammar. IIRC he had multiple writers throughout Origins and Awakening, while for an inverse explanation you can theorise what negative impact his guilt from abandoning his new family would have on his social interactions.

[Ferretinabun]

Actually I didn't mind Oghren in Awakenings. I mean yes he was an OTT bit of drunken comic relief, but that's exactly what he was in Origins too. In fact, I think his whole absentee father conflict gave him more of a depth than he had before, and it was perfectly in keeping with who he is as a person. I'd call that character development rather than derailment.

 

 

Because he was brought into the game via fan request, a decision David Gaider actually regrets (he said so in his blog)

 

 

 

Can you source this please? I can't actually find Gaider's blog. I'm sure I'm just being dumb...

[theskymoves]

 

Can you source this please? I can't actually find Gaider's blog. I'm sure I'm just being dumb...

 

The only time I’ve brought a character forward for any reason other than that they fit into the story was Oghren in Awakening—and that didn’t really work as well as I’d have liked. I doubt I’ll do it again. - David Gaider, here

[Ferretinabun]

Thanks.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

He had changed so much by the battle of Denerim.

[AutumnWitch]

It was the let down after the big battle.....you just saved the world...now what do you do? What's left to conquer? What can you do with the rest of your life? Plus...huge PTSD issues, then now he had time to think about how off the deep end Branka went,,,,the man was a walking disaster waiting to happen.

[Krypplingz]

Ninjad by the AutumnWitch. But since I did bother to type it, I'll just leave it here. 

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By the battle he is at an high point. He is surrounded by what he could call friends, (atleast more than he had back in Orzammar), he's using his training for good and this is a chance to become a hero again. Of course Oghren seems better at that point. 

Then the battle is over. At the coronation he's happy, basking in the afterglow, but then reality hits him. He's exiled in a strange land, denied to visit old friends and family. His home is slowly dying because of Darkspawn and there is nothing he can do about it. 

The warden and his companions separate and now Oghren is alone, except for Felsi and maybe some fellows in the army. Again he's stuck in a time of peace, fighting with his berserker training and wanderlust. 

His relationship with Felsi isn't happy, since you can't build a happy marriage on insults. He also can't ignore his feelings on the whole Branka thing. So he does what he usually does, drowns himself in drink. The relationship starts to sour. Felsi has a child and that child needs a sober father. He panics and runs away, back to the warden, hoping to recapture the feeling of bliss he felt back in Origin.

With the warden he finds some peace, the warden brushing up on his/her therapy skills. In the end he makes peace with Felsi, makes peace with his nature and resumes his fight to defend the homeland. But really, the man needs a therapist, since he can't keep hiding from his problems forever. 

[Dabrikishaw]

Basically Oghren's entire character arc from Origins gets thrown away unless you refuse to recruit him into the Wardens.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The only time I’ve brought a character forward for any reason other than that they fit into the story was Oghren in Awakening—and that didn’t really work as well as I’d have liked. I doubt I’ll do it again. - David Gaider, here

 

Cullen in DA:I says otherwise.

[ShadowLordXII]

Cullen in DA:I says otherwise.

 

Cullen was an npc whereas Oghren was a playable party member.

 

I agree that Oghren's characterization was weird in Awakening. I guess the team wanted to make a comic relief character, carried over Oghren on fan requests and hyper-charged parts of his character in an attempt to make him funnier.

 

This was a hit-and-miss effort. The game was fine with Sigrun and Anders as comic relief anyway. Gaider's right to regret shoe-horning Oghren into the game. I'd say another reason that Oghren's in the expansion was because the party needed another warrior to balance out Awakening's party.

[DeathScepter]

Also Orghen being an alcoholic is hard to overcome anyway. Like other said, Orghen has issues. One thing he excel is being a berserker. He is not what I call Marriage material. Even then he has some good in him and the blow of what Branka did hit him hard so very hard.

[SerTabris]

Cullen was an npc whereas Oghren was a playable party member.

 

I agree that Oghren's characterization was weird in Awakening. I guess the team wanted to make a comic relief character, carried over Oghren on fan requests and hyper-charged parts of his character in an attempt to make him funnier.

 

This was a hit-and-miss effort. The game was fine with Sigrun and Anders as comic relief anyway. Gaider's right to regret shoe-horning Oghren into the game. I'd say another reason that Oghren's in the expansion was because the party needed another warrior to balance out Awakening's party.

 

They did have another one that they could have kept. I wonder if that was ever planned?

[Hydwn]

I agree that Oghren's characterization was weird in Awakening. I guess the team wanted to make a comic relief character, carried over Oghren on fan requests and hyper-charged parts of his character in an attempt to make him funnier.

 

Gaider's in good company, then.  Shakespeare did exactly the same thing with his drunken, well-written comic-relief character Falstaff, shunting the brilliant Henry IV character into a forced sequel role in The Merry Wives of Windsor because fans wanted more Falstaff.  Henry IV parts 1 and 2 are considered excellent Shakespeare, and Merry Wives is not.

 

He'd been a more complex character in the historical drama.  

 

What is it about these kinds of characters, I wonder...?

[Willowhugger]

I've been wondering about this for years. Compare the guy at the end of Origins talking about "Let the stone turn red from the blood of heroes." to the drunken deadbeat idiot in Awakening. He's a whole different guy. All character development tossed out the window. On top of that, he disapproves of nearly everything you say to him, and your previous friendship is irrelevant--you have to start at zero.

 

I think they did Oghren the way they did to show that you can be an amazing fighter and still a failure as a human being warrior caste dwarf.

 

There's no redemption in personal terms for Oghren.

 

Even if he's a hero and a great warrior.

He's a **** up as a person.

[Willowhugger]

They did have another one that they could have kept. I wonder if that was ever planned?

 

I doubt it.

Mhaeri doesn't have anything more than an endearing Go-Wardens! Personality.

I think she was destined from the beginning to die.

It just, well, kind of sucked because not many un-sexified female warriors.

[Hydwn]

I doubt it.

Mhaeri doesn't have anything more than an endearing Go-Wardens! Personality.

I think she was destined from the beginning to die.

It just, well, kind of sucked because not many un-sexified female warriors.

 

I do like that her voice actress is back as one of the inquisitor voices.  I'm seriously tempted to name her Mhairi

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I doubt it.
Mhaeri doesn't have anything more than an endearing Go-Wardens! Personality.
I think she was destined from the beginning to die.

It just, well, kind of sucked because not many un-sexified female warriors.

But, Mhairi was my favorite character in Awakening.

[Willowhugger]

But, Mhairi was my favorite character in Awakening.

 

She's pretty much the Ensemble Darkhorse of the group, yeah.

But I think it's more the fact she didn't wear out her welcome that players wanted to see more of her.

 

I don't think the developers had much more planned for her.

[MACharlie1]

She's pretty much the Ensemble Darkhorse of the group, yeah.

But I think it's more the fact she didn't wear out her welcome that players wanted to see more of her.

 

I don't think the developers had much more planned for her.

I think you mean "red shirt". 

 

Bioware's great tradition of offing one of the first party members. With ME3 being the exception as Ashley/Kaidan survived the hit. 

[Icinix]

Edit : Never mind

[JeffZero]

Cullen in DA:I says otherwise.

 

Cullen in DA:I strikes me as significantly more pertinent to the plot of Inquisition than Oghren in Awakening.

[Willowhugger]

Cullen in DA:I strikes me as significantly more pertinent to the plot of Inquisition than Oghren in Awakening.

 

No one was really pertinent to the plot of awakening.

I liked Oghren's presence.

He made it feel more like the Night's Watch.

"A ragtag bunch of misfits who may or may not be here because they have nowhere else togo."

[Jayce]

I liked Oghren in awakenings 'as a character' more than 'as a person' but still part of me can't help thinking it would've been better storytelling to have Mhairi, the obvious red shirt, survive the joining and have Oghren croak instead.