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[Seraphim24]

So, I thought of this topic because I simply am not sure what games from the west I should be getting excited about, and honestly that's an opportunity to help me with that.

 

There are 3 that come to mind immediately, Witcher 3, Divinity Original Sin, and Mirror's Edge 2. I guess it is theoretically possible for DA:I but I'm unsure about it for reasons I don't really want to get into, because for me the main point is that all I could find were 4 games "maybe." The only game I really liked last year was Tomb Raider, and yet that's just a single game... it's not going to last for the whole year.

 

So I went to gamefaqs to see what else was going on, and immediately like 10 topics pop up and about 8 of them are about Japanese games, Persona 5, Dark Souls 2, Soul Sacrifice, FFXV, KH3, Pokemon, Xillia, Smash. I feel I can find satisfaction with at least some of them, there's probably always some Japanese game I'm playing, but it's increasingly disappointing to turn around and try and play something non-Japanese and not really find anything. I feel like once upon a time I played equal amounts of each but now it's just... getting really unbalanced.

 

It just seems like all the enthusiasm is towards Japanese games for the most part, the tiny handful remaining that people are excited about (TW3, DA;I, whatever) are just so few and number and additionally I have different concerns for each of them.
On the other hand, there are games I'm enjoying, so that's good, it's just a lot of them are Japanese at this point.

 

[CrazyRah]

Been thinking something like this for a while and I've realised that at least for me at this moment most games that I do want to play just happen to be from Japan. It was completely different last year and as the franchises that I do care about in the west come closer to relase their games I'm sure it will all revert back again. Could say it's a bit of a cycle 

[The Heretic of Time]

Japanese > Western games?

 

No. Hell no. Absolutely not. I feel that most Japanese developers are stuck in the past. They go for tried and proven formulas time and time again. They never innovate (with the exception of Nintendo, and even they are guilty of just rehashing the same sh!t over and over and over again). Japanese people have the certain tendency to do certain things simply because they are expected and part of "tradition". They don't even ask themselves if what they do is still the best way to do it. It worked in the past so it will work now. And it's true, inside Japan that is. But most western gamers who aren't blatant weeaboos or otakus are getting a little bit bored and tired with playing the same (outdated) crap over and over and over again. 

 

I feel that the western industry dares to change, innovate and move forward a lot more. While the western developers also make sequel after sequel after sequel, and copy after copy after copy of the same formula, I also see a lot of change and innovation happening, more so than in the Japanese industry. Even series that get milked to the max such as Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed still have some new (innovative) features in their new games (I totally loved the whole sailing part of AC4: Black Flag!).

 

And don't think for a second that The Witcher 3 gets less hype. love or media attention than Dark Souls. Here in Europe that game is at the top of almost everybody's wish list.

[Dominus]

I don't really have a preference for either side, but the 2 big ones I'm eager for right now are indeed from Japan. DA:I and TW3 still look great, but the anticipation isn't really on the same level.
 

Japanese > Western games?

Nah.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Excluding Dark Souls franchise, I don't have much Japanese video games cuz they're not appealing. But I'm interested in Final Fantasy 15.

 

(edit: "J.a.p" is censored by bioware! lol)

 

Japanese > Western games?

 

No. Hell no. Absolutely not. I feel that most Japanese developers are stuck in the past. They go for tried and proven formulas time and time again. They never innovate (with the exception of Nintendo, and even they are guilty of just rehashing the same sh!t over and over and over again). ... But most western gamers who aren't blatant weeaboos or otakus are getting a little bit bored and tired with playing the same (outdated) crap over and over and over again. 

 

 

What is this hostility you have with every thing you don't like? I suggest you to lower down the dosage of your hateful music!

[The Heretic of Time]

What is this hostility you have with every thing you don't like? I suggest you to lower down the dosage of your hateful music!

 

> assuming I'm hostile towards Japanese developers.

 

> assuming I don't like Japanese games.

 

 

Also, what do you mean with "everything"?

 

 

I just grow bored playing the same game over and over again, no matter how good it is. Sadly, most Japanese games feel that way to me, most specifically the Japanese RPGs.

And no, my hateful music sustains me.

[DarthFoot]

It entirely depends on Opinions.

 

Disclaimer:This conclusion was found ONLY by The Almighty Samurai Cat Empire, any others claiming the same will be Annihilated.

[Liamv2]

Whether it Japanese or western as long as it's good I'll probably enjoy it.

[OdanUrr]

I feel like I may be stating something obvious but just because you play a lot of Japanese games, OP, that doesn't mean your comparison (that Japanese games are better than Western ones) is true for all games, not to mention for all people. For instance, ultimately I've been watching a lot of anime but I wouldn't go on a limb and state that everyone watches anime because of that. In my particular case, I feel that Japanese games require a different mentality for me to get into them. A lot of them require inordinate amounts of grinding in battle after battle whereas I'm more keen on exploration, lore, and story. This was the case with Last Remnant, it is the case (to a lesser extent perhaps) with FEA and SMTIV, it's even the case with Trails in the Sky (which also has a lot of dialogue and lore so maybe it evens out?). With games like Dark Souls for instance I can't comprehend what's the enjoyment to be derived from replaying the same level over and over simply to memorize the location of every enemy and their moves. It's not particularly difficult or interesting, it's just time-consuming to my mind.

 

So, no, I wouldn't say Japanese games are better than Western ones. They just appeal to a different audience that's all.

[Dermain]

I just grow bored playing the same game over and over again, no matter how good it is. Sadly, most Japanese games feel that way to me, most specifically the Japanese RPGs.

 

Agreed.

 

If you play one of the (more recent) Final Fantasy games you've played them all at this point. I haven't really liked a FF game since 4, but I really need to play 6 as I'm assured I'd like it as well). 

 

The only Japanese games I've played lately would have to be Dark Souls and games from the Dynasty Warriors franchise (preferably the Empires version - also don't hate me! ). If Koei would develop a game with some similarities to the DW combat with something similar to their Romance of the Three Kingdoms (7 & 9 - where you controlled one officer instead of the entire territory) games for the politics/slight roleplaying/slight strategy game part I would be extremely happy /EndTangent.

 

 

I feel like I may be stating something obvious but just because you play a lot of Japanese games, OP, that doesn't mean your comparison (that Japanese games are better than Western ones) is true for all games, not to mention for all people. For instance, ultimately I've been watching a lot of anime but I wouldn't go on a limb and state that everyone watches anime because of that. In my particular case, I feel that Japanese games require a different mentality for me to get into them. A lot of them require inordinate amounts of grinding in battle after battle whereas I'm more keen on exploration, lore, and story. This was the case with Last Remnant, it is the case (to a lesser extent perhaps) with FEA and SMTIV, it's even the case with Trails in the Sky (which also has a lot of dialogue and lore so maybe it evens out?). With games like Dark Souls for instance I can't comprehend what's the enjoyment to be derived from replaying the same level over and over simply to memorize the location of every enemy and their moves. It's not particularly difficult or interesting, it's just time-consuming to my mind.

 

So, no, I wouldn't say Japanese games are better than Western ones. They just appeal to a different audience that's all.

 

I enjoy that simply because of my OCD. I tend to try to test myself to see how far I can get without dying to an enemy or getting hit.

 

There's also the interesting version of multiplayer, but that hasn't been the same since Demons Souls (much to my dismay).

[Sir DeLoria]

I somewhat agree with the OP on this, of the admittedly few games I've really played in the last few years, many were Japanese. I don't think Japanese games per se are better than Western games, but I think that Japanese developers handle many things better than many Western developers.

I feel that most Japanese developers are stuck in the past. They go for tried and proven formulas time and time again. They never innovate (with the exception of Nintendo, and even they are guilty of just rehashing the same sh!t over and over and over again). Japanese people have the certain tendency to do certain things simply because they are expected and part of "tradition". They don't even ask themselves if what they do is still the best way to do it. It worked in the past so it will work now. And it's true, inside Japan that is. But most western gamers who aren't blatant weeaboos or otakus are getting a little bit bored and tired with playing the same (outdated) crap over and over and over again.

Lol, that's the most stereotypical and false summary of a culture I've seen in a while. Also, no if you think that, you've played the wrong games.

I feel that the western industry dares to change, innovate and move forward a lot more.

Examples? SO:TL is one of the few I can think of.

Even series that get milked to the max such as Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed still have some new (innovative) features in their new games (I totally loved the whole sailing part of AC4: Black Flag!).

That's literally the only new innovative feature in the game. CoD is just all the same recycled crap with new weapons, a new clichéd story and barely enhanced graphics every year. The same goes for most sports games, though I guess it's hard to change anything in that franchise.

Here in Europe that game is at the top of almost everybody's wish list.

Nope.

[The Heretic of Time]

Lol, that's the most stereotypical and false summary of a culture I've seen in a while. Also, no if you think that, you've played the wrong games.

 

I'm pretty sure I know a thing or two about the culture of my own family, thank you very much. It's not at all false, and I could even write an entire blog about why the Japanese culture is the way it is.

And sure, blame it on the games I've played. How could there possibly be anything wrong with the developers of your favorite land/culture, right? I guess Final Fantasy (every game from 4 and onwards), Pokemon (all of them), Dynasty Warriors (most of them), Shin Megami Tenshi / Persona, and my most favorite series; The Legend of Zelda (all of them), are all "the wrong games". Jep, all of them must be "the wrong games".

Get real.

[The Heretic of Time]

Nintendo? Innovate? Pfft HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?

[Mr.House]

Not only are the majority of my top 10 games Japanese, most of the games in the last few years that I have enjoyed the most are also from Japan. Also JRPGs these years have been far more enjoyable then WRPGs for me.

 

TW3, Wasteland 2, PoE and DAI? Looking forward to them but compared to Persona 5? Ya...nope. Not even close.

[Mr.House]

Saw that already, still gonna rightfully laugh because I swore this thread was about GAMES. I don't care about their hardware. Try harder, cuh.

OoT Z-Targeting.

[The Heretic of Time]

Saw that already, still gonna rightfully laugh because I swore this thread was about GAMES. I don't care about their hardware. Try harder, cuh.

If you already saw that then why the heck are you making such a retarded ignorant post? Troll harder brah.

You wanna talk about games brah? Alright, let's talk games brah.

Who prevented the American game crash of 1983 from happening by offering new, innovative and all-in-all higher quality games to the American public? Oh yeah, that's right, Nintendo. Who set the standards for many game genres that we still play today? Oh right, Nintendo. Who made gaming big and transformed gaming from something only closet nerds enjoy to something for the entire family? You guessed it, Nintendo.

Nintendo is the motherf*cking grandfather of gaming, kid, anyone who grew up in the 80s knows that. Show some respect.

[The Heretic of Time]

I've had deja vu for years when it comes to Nintendo.

 

Yes, Nintendo is also guilty of rehashing the same sh!t over and over again, just like the rest of Japan. That feeling of deja vu is what I have with pretty much most Japanese developers tbh.

[Liamv2]

Yes, Nintendo is also guilty of rehashing the same sh!t over and over again, just like the rest of Japan. That feeling of deja vu is what I have with pretty much most Japanese developers tbh.

 

Well there's Disgaea, Atelier, Neptunia and Ar tonelico if you want to try some more unique japanese stuff. 

[The Heretic of Time]

Well there's Disgaea, Atelier, Neptunia and Ar tonelico if you want to try some more unique japanese stuff. 

 

Digaea: Already played that, not really my thing. While the first game was good I feel that the sequels where just more of the same stuff. Still, a breath of fresh air from the standard over-used turn-based formula that most JRPGs are plagued with.
 

Atelier: Another example of an old game series milked to death with little to no changes over the years. Again the same typical turnbased crap. I really don't see how this is different from the vast amount of other JRPGs.

Neptunia: Never heard of this. Might check it out.

Ar Tonelico: Never heard of this either.

[RobRam10]

This thread oozes with heresy.

[Liamv2]

Disgaea I can sorta see your point I still get a lot of enjoyment out of it due to the humor though.

Atelier eh it's an acquired taste so I can concede on that one.

Neptunia is the personification of video game consoles and companies fighting piracy (among other things such as atari)

Ar tonelico well in short (and I mean real short I could talk for days about this) the entire world got fucked up and everyone is forced to live on towers.