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[Nyxanna]

Having played both games I get what part the Champion plays in the next game but what exactly has the Warden to do with anything?

 

I understand that Cassandra looks for the Champion. Makes sense since he pretty much started it.

 

What about the Warden though? All you really did is prevent the blight from destroying Ferelden and only Ferelden. It's difficult to think of a single event that will have any major effect at anything related to Inquisition.

 

Sure, you fought the Architect but then again, you just fought him. The champion made the whole conflict possible or Meredith had just slaughtered the mages. The Warden just fought the Architect once and let him get away.

 

Do you guys think that Bioware basically only started putting more thought into the story after they saw that Origins was a success? That would actually make sense to me. It would slightly explain why DA2 is meagre compared to Origins. Perhaps they just sat down, came up with the story and decided to use DA2 to tell the story in more detail instead of just giving you more random quests like in Origins.

 

The only thing that is really confusing is that apparently Cassandra and Leliana are searching for the Warden as well as the Champion which you can see right when DA2 ends. It just doesn't add up. Sure, he's a hero, but that's about it. You could just look for any other 'celebrity'.

 

Any explanations or opinions?

[raging_monkey]

Dont rightly know but its possible ill be suprised only wish for resolution cause he went to the mirror with morrigan

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Well, (s)he ended a Blight in record time with only him/her and two other Wardens for help, all while Ferelden was stuck in civil war. If you're expecting trouble, that's probably somebody you want on your side.
IIRC, the group we saw at the end of DA2 was Justinia's 'Inquisition,' and the Warden would have been a valuable person to have in it.

The Orlesian Warden-Commander would be a bit more difficult to explain I reckon.

(plus in my case she was Leliana's waifu which could easily justify her looking for her, but that's just me. Ahem. :S )

[Ruairi46]

Ability, skill, feats, powerlevel. Whatever you want to call it.

A Tainted Dragon God, 3 High Dragons, Flemeth, Gaxkang the Unbound, the Architect, the Mother, a Varterral, 5 Broodmothers, aLegion of Golems, the Harvester, Witherfang/Zathrian, 3 Pride Abominations, an Undead Army, and countless Darkspawn. If I was a Chantry leader worried about the state of Thedas I know who I'd call for aid.

Sandal?

[Ruairi46]

No.

Well i'm out of ideas.

[TheChosenOne]

Sandal?

 

 

No.

I would called for Sandal for help. ENCHANTMENT!! 

[J-Reyno]

The Warden just fought the Architect once and let him get away.

 

Nope, I killed that guy. Killed him dead.

 

Sure, he's a hero, but that's about it. You could just look for any other 'celebrity'.

 

The Warden isn't just some local idol.  The Blight is a world-threatening power that he/she ended in record time, not to mention the numerous other feats accomplished during that time.  The Warden is the stuff of legend.

 

Any explanations or opinions?

 

If we're looking for how the Warden's adventures may be related, it's possible that it does have to do with the Architect.  The Warden did make contact with him and all.  If the Warden's dead, maybe it'll be the Orlesian Warden or some generic Warden in his place.  And again there's that whole thing with the Warden saving the world once already.  Maybe we won't even see the Warden.  We'll just have to wait and see.  

 

Also DA2 was actually a very interesting story.  It had a better narrative than Origins, it just wasn't as good of a game overall.  

[LobselVith8]

The only thing that is really confusing is that apparently Cassandra and Leliana are searching for the Warden as well as the Champion which you can see right when DA2 ends. It just doesn't add up. Sure, he's a hero, but that's about it. You could just look for any other 'celebrity'.

 

Any explanations or opinions?

 

Unless the Hero of Ferelden is a mage, then I don't see why Cassandra or Leliana would be searching for him, or what importance the Warden would have with mages or templars. It reminds me of those cliffhanger lines of dialogue where something "shocking" is said, except it's never properly addressed as to why it was said, except to elicit a response from people. I can certainly see the Hero of Ferelden from the Circle as an important figure to the mages, particularly if the heroic figure had asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given it's independence (especially given how the Circles all separated from the Chantry at this point), but that only works for one specific background.

 

Considering how many handwaves, changes, rectons, or whatever you want to call them followed post-Origins, it's clear that the developers didn't really plan out Dragon Age as well as they could have.

[Nyxanna]

LobselVith8 is the only one who replied properly.

I already said that I am looking for reasons apart from him being such an amazing person so please do save yourself the smartass comments about what you killed in your playthrough. Please also keep in mind that what you did in your playthrough does not matter whatsoever. Bioware will have a generic storyline that they will use everywhere and if you import your save you'll get a slightly different storyline but at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

 

Apparently the point I made is still correct and unless the Warden is a mage who obviously should have the ability to settle issues with mages there is no point in searching for him in the same manner as the champion. They made it look like they were both of the same importance when the Champion started it all. It is common sense that the one who started it can change what happens later on as Cassandra says so herself but looking for the Warden makes no sense.

Like I already said last time which a lot of people didn't read. Sure, he is a good pick if you need help with fighting whatsoever but apart from fighting anything he's useless to the storyline. Especially since they want the Champion because they think mages will listen to him and not because he also killed a few dragons and other garbage.

[Jwlpo]

The Warden is pretty influential.
I mean, if it were me, I would want people to know that I have a Hero behind my cause

[Ruairi46]

Warden might be connected to these big Grey Warden conspiracy theories that have been happening during the events of dragon age 2 and later. Might be an important plot point during Dragon Age Inquisition, but who knows?

[J-Reyno]

The Warden is pretty influential.
I mean, if it were me, I would want people to know that I have a Hero behind my cause

 

Right? I mean it's not like the Warden wasn't a Commander in a neutral organization of age-old and respected heroes or anything, on top of being one of the biggest heroes in the history of Thedas.  Who would listen to that guy/gal?

 

That said I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with influence.  I always got the impression they thought the Warden's disappearance may be connected to whatever other events were happening at the time.

[Br3admax]

The Hero of Ferelden left the Wardens and has not been a part of the organization for some time now. 

[Wolfen09]

Ability, skill, feats, power level (over 9000!!??). Whatever you want to call it.

A Tainted Dragon God, 3 High Dragons, Flemeth, Gaxkang the Unbound, the Architect, the Mother, a Varterral, 5 Broodmothers, a Legion of Golems, the Harvester, Witherfang/Zathrian, 3 Pride Abominations, an Undead Army, and countless Darkspawn. If I were a Chantry leader worried about the state of Thedas I know who I'd call for aid.

 

when i read this, 1st thing that popped into my head was the 1960s adam west batman theme song.... then the ghostbusters song....

[thats1evildude]

Ability, skill, feats, power level (over 9000!!??). Whatever you want to call it.

A Tainted Dragon God, 3 High Dragons, Flemeth, Gaxkang the Unbound, the Architect, the Mother, a Varterral, 5 Broodmothers, a Legion of Golems, the Harvester, Witherfang/Zathrian, 3 Pride Abominations, an Undead Army, and countless Darkspawn. If I were a Chantry leader worried about the state of Thedas I know who I'd call for aid.

 

Three?

 

Uldred, the Baroness and ????

 

But let's not discount Hawke either! His kill streak can include:

 

The Ancient Rock Wraith, a legion of Profane, countless abominations and shades, a Varterral, an army of qunari warriors, the Arishok, Corypheus, Malvernis, Xebenkeck, the Cult of the Sky, at least two Wyverns, several pride demons (including Hybris), a High Dragon, the Harvester and Red Lyrium Meredith.

[CIA]

I doubt the Warden will be in the game. Hawke will tho

[Mabari-Master]

Here's something I'm dying to know: What's the ultimate fate of the Warden if he made the Ultimate Sacrifice but you imported him into Awakening and the expansions?

 

In Witch Hunt Morrigan seemed surprised to see that the Warden was still alive and said that she only stayed to see if it was true.

 

In DA2 it is stated in the codex that the Warden just died fighting the Archdemon, but other character, Anders, King Alistair, Merrill, etc, will mention that the Hero of Ferelden is still alive.

 

Will it be explained how the Warden survived the Ultimate Sacrifice? And if their death is going to be cannon if you import that profile, will that gameplay feature an Orlesian Warden with preset actions in the last game?

[SardaukarElite]

The only thing that is really confusing is that apparently Cassandra and Leliana are searching for the Warden as well as the Champion which you can see right when DA2 ends. It just doesn't add up. Sure, he's a hero, but that's about it. You could just look for any other 'celebrity'.

 

Any explanations or opinions?

 

There is an implied connection between The Warden and mysterious events we don't know what are yet. At the end of Witch Hunt Morrigan is all "Yo, sista I brought you a book." and apparently after reading it The Warden disappeared. Leliana thinks The Warden's disappearance and the Champion's disappearance are linked, or at least not coincidence. The Grey Wardens themselves are acting mighty shifty throughout DA2, which might be connected as well.

 

 

Here's something I'm dying to know: What's the ultimate fate of the Warden if he made the Ultimate Sacrifice but you imported him into Awakening and the expansions?

 

They're dead.

 

Awakening was intended to import their choices and let you make a new Orlesian Warden but that didn't work out, so they let you import and break the plot. DA2 is written so that you can pretend your undead Warden was actually the Orlesian Warden, referring to the Warden-Commander and Hero of Ferelden depending on context.

 

I assume the Keep will sort it out.

[aTigerslunch]

Actually, I think Cassandra was looking for the Warden and Hawke to help the balance or something, to become part of the Inquisition possibly. I'm guessing there.

 

When someone says who you call for....Ghostbusters.     I was thinking Batman as well.

 

 

Also, when saying about Red Lyruim Meredith I thought of Meredith with a red ring. (Red Lantern Corps)  Which is what we get to face!  Down with the Angry Lanterns!

[Wynnen]

Well the looking for the warden could be because that's someone you want on your side. He/she did stop the blight before it could spread out of Ferelden, but it could also be that they're not looking for him/her in earnest and mention it because Hawke kind of being second hero that just disappear suddenly. That part could be understood in more way than one I think. 

 

Or there could be something about that that has not been told to us yet. With all the loose ends with both origins and awakening and having wardens sneaking around with devs only knowing what in DA 2 they can possibly actually have some understandable explanation. I really hope that they have some good explanation if the warden appear because honestly I rather not have him/her on inquisition at all if the alternative is some "What the f*ck is going on here, that makes no sense" explanation. 

 

But with the info we have I can't think of anything water proof for why they'd want the warden found too. Since they were not exactly part of the war starting as said. 

[Wolfen09]

well, i think its just influential people we are searching for....  hawke just has a lot more context in the mage templar war

[Ruairi46]

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But let's not discount Hawke either! His kill streak can include:

 

The Ancient Rock Wraith, a legion of Profane, countless abominations and shades, a Varterral, an army of qunari warriors, the Arishok, Corypheus, Malvernis, Xebenkeck, the Cult of the Sky, at least two Wyverns, several pride demons (including Hybris), a High Dragon, the Harvester and Red Lyrium Meredith.