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[Hobbes]

I hope there is some sort of compromise we can work with because the extremities of both organisations aren't something I agree with.  I just want to shake them all and go you're both being crazy! lol

[Willowhugger]

In general, my prediction for the Mage vs. Templar fight is that the actual circumstances of the Templar vs. Mage treaty will be completely undecided by the Quisitor. I'd love for the option of Templars giving up the right of investigating magicians and summary execution to the Inquisition but I wouldn't be surprised if the options are going to be.

 

"Wage war against Templars."
"Wage war against Mages."
"Get them to negotiate a settlement with you as arbitrator."

With no option to actually be involved in the actual settlement. That, instead, something worked out between Fiona and (Gregoir maybe)?

 

Which will probably be interesting but not what gamers expect.

I think the only time actual peace-negotiations ever happened in video games, though, was Skyrim's summit.

[The Baconer]

What are you talking about, exactly?

 

The mages have done a fine job of proving to everybody why they cannot be trusted to live independently from the Circle. With their concession and alliance with the Inquisition, they will all be sent right back. They've certainly "earned" reforms to Circle policy, but they probably won't like most of them. I will not suffer the existence of people like Adrian and Fiona, should they still live.

 

The Templars are, well, complete failures. Not only have they been seen harassing, stealing from, and even murdering the people they've taken holy vows to protect, but a number of them have even split off to form their own cabal of abominations. That a religious order of knights who pride themselves on being ever-vigilant and incorruptible would sink to this level is... quite beyond unimpressive. Allowing them to simply return to regular service after making a complete mockery of their directive would set a terrible example, and it would be a disservice to all the common people of Thedas. In addition, any Seekers found with lot should be imprisoned for treason and negligence.

[Willowhugger]

But yes, while I will enjoy crushing the Red Templars.

I'm sure we're going to either get an equal faction of "Blood Mage Extremists" or just the Venatori to make mages look bad.

BOO!

 

VENGEANCE!

[lil yonce]

If I must choose, and I do hope some sort of peace agreement is reached, I'm siding with the mages.

 

My headcanon demands it - my canon!Inquisitor will be an angry Trevelyan circle mage escapee.

 

It won't hurt my feelings if the templars refuse negotiations. They aren't immune to magical corruption, so they're no better than mages in that regard, thank you very much red lyrium, magic is a greater asset than soldiery anyway, and the majority of my Inquisitors will have no affinity for them.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think the only time actual peace-negotiations ever happened in video games, though, was Skyrim's summit.

 

You need to check this out then!

 

I'm sure you will enjoy it.

 

[Hobbes]

"For example, if a tower needs to be rebuilt, you can decide if it is outfitted to accomodate mages or Templars, depending on your allegiance."

http://www.gameinfor...on-skyhold.aspx

 

I believe this removes all doubt. We're picking one side and that is the end of that.

If that's true I hope we can influence how they carry themselves out, plus even if we do side we can still try to work out a compromise or peace treaty of some side while still supporting or getting behind one or the other.  Perhaps once whatever side has an upper-hand (due to our support) we can make them work something out..?

[Master Warder Z_]

If that's true I hope we can influence how they carry themselves out, plus even if we do side we can still try to work out a compromise or peace treaty of some side while still supporting or getting behind one or the other.  Perhaps once whatever side has an upper-hand (due to our support) we can make them work something out..?

 

I suppose that eventually an accord would need to be reached even if it comes at the edge of a sword.

 

But i doubt it would be very appealing to people, i mean i suppose most pro mages don't want to see mages go back to the circle, despite that being the highest likelihood to occur.

[Willowhugger]

can't wait for the game where the Qunari invade the rest of Thedas, I've been waiting for that since Sten mentioned it way back in DAO

 

I can't say I'd enjoy it. I considered my Hawke being unable to keep peace his greatest failure.

Much more so than the Templar and Mage thing.

He was always a straight shooter with the Arishok and won his respect WITHOUT a duel.

[Puppy Love]

I can't say I'd enjoy it. I considered my Hawke being unable to keep peace his greatest failure.

Much more so than the Templar and Mage thing.

He was always a straight shooter with the Arishok and won his respect WITHOUT a duel.

I did as well, but the Qun demands what the Qun demands.  Even if that hadn't happened, war is an inevitability.

[Willowhugger]

I suppose that eventually an accord would need to be reached even if it comes at the edge of a sword.

 

But i doubt it would be very appealing to people, i mean i suppose most pro mages don't want to see mages go back to the circle, despite that being the highest likelihood to occur.

We only make peace with our enemies, that's why it's called making peace.

 

[KaiserShep]

I can't say I'd enjoy it. I considered my Hawke being unable to keep peace his greatest failure.

Much more so than the Templar and Mage thing.

He was always a straight shooter with the Arishok and won his respect WITHOUT a duel.

 

My Hawke won his respect too, but I like to think that she'd always wonder what it would have been like to know the Arishok beyond these circumstances, but must live with the fact that his death makes it impossible.

[Master Warder Z_]

We only make peace with our enemies, that's why it's called making peace.

 

 

"No man is free. Only children and fools think elsewise."

 

 

[Willowhugger]

On a serious note, I think both mages and Templars are probably far more serious about peace than the vast majority of their posters and far more flexible too.

[Icy Magebane]

The mages have done a fine job of proving to everybody why they cannot be trusted to live independently from the Circle. With their concession and alliance with the Inquisition, they will all be sent right back. They've certainly "earned" reforms to Circle policy, but they probably won't like most of them. I will not suffer the existence of people like Adrian and Fiona, should they still live.

 

The Templars are, well, complete failures. Not only have they been seen harassing, stealing from, and even murdering the people they've taken holy vows to protect, but a number of them have even split off to form their own cabal of abominations. That a religious order of knights who pride themselves on being ever-vigilant and incorruptible would sink to this level is... quite beyond unimpressive. Allowing them to simply return to regular service after making a complete mockery of their directive would set a terrible example, and it would be a disservice to all the common people of Thedas. In addition, any Seekers found with lot should be imprisoned for treason and negligence.

Hm...  You seem to be in favor of even more rules and oversight of the mages once they return to the tower, but also formal reprimands for Templars who have proven themselves unworthy of their positions.  If so, then I suppose that's reasonable...  However, even if we are given the authority to implement changes to the Circle system (which seems odd to me, but let's assume it's possible for now), there is no way of enforcing these new policies in the future.  So while I can agree that both parties are at fault, I don't see how we would have such direct control over their present and future... punishing a few bad Templars, and especially the Red Templars, seems fine, but all of them?  It sounds like we'd need to start over from scratch by your estimation, although personally I don't believe that there were that many corrupt Templars to begin with...

 

I guess my main objection with the idea of punishing both sides is that if the mages are sent back to the Circle for any reason, you've sided with the Templars.  If the mages are allowed to roam free, you've sided with the mages.  Whatever reforms we may wish to make (again, assuming we even have such authority), there really are only two sides here... three had we been allowed to remain uninvolved, though that doesn't seem to be the case.  There was never a fourth option, however.

[Willowhugger]

I wonder if the Templars win they become part of the Inquisition.

And if the Mages win, they become part of the Inquisition.

Or under the permanent supervision thereof.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I can't say I'd enjoy it. I considered my Hawke being unable to keep peace his greatest failure.

Much more so than the Templar and Mage thing.

He was always a straight shooter with the Arishok and won his respect WITHOUT a duel.

 

Earning the respect of the Arishok would not prevent him from wanting to return to conquer Thedas. Nothing Hawke could have ever done was going to prevent the Qunari invasion so it's not really a failure on his part.

[Master Warder Z_]

I wonder if the Templars win they become part of the Inquisition.

And if the Mages win, they become part of the Inquisition.

Or under the permanent supervision thereof.

 

I doubt it, if the Templars win they likely would return to their duties and go back to working out a new deal with the Chantry after crisis.

 

About the same for the Mages.

 

I'm assuming so anyway.

[Icy Magebane]

I wonder if the Templars win they become part of the Inquisition.

And if the Mages win, they become part of the Inquisition.

Or under the permanent supervision thereof.

How would that even work though?  The Inquisition becomes the new Templar order, but without the anti-magic abilities?  Would we have to run all of the new Circles and find young mages to bring in every few months?  Wouldn't it be simpler to just let the Templars do it rather than become them?

[Willowhugger]

I doubt it, if the Templars win they likely would return to their duties and go back to working out a new deal with the Chantry after crisis.

 

About the same for the Mages.

 

I'm assuming so anyway.

I'm not so sure because once this crisis is resolved, what IS the Inquisition's duties?

Because the Templars are pretty much losing their permanent jobs if it's "fight evil magic."

[Willowhugger]

How would that even work though?  The Inquisition becomes the new Templar order, but without the anti-magic abilities?  Would we have to run all of the new Circles and find young mages to bring in every few months?  Wouldn't it be simpler to just let the Templars do it?

 

The thing with the Inquisition is it's composed of Mages and Muggles, so I would presume they'd have officers qualified to do both only there would also be Mages involved in the judgements.

 

"This guy is a Blood Mage!"

"Vivienne, is he a Blood Mage?"

"*checks his spell components* Yep."

"Okay, kill him."

[LobselVith8]

I wonder if the Templars win they become part of the Inquisition.

And if the Mages win, they become part of the Inquisition.

Or under the permanent supervision thereof.

 

Cameron Lee said the victor would be brought into the Inquisition, so it doesn't seem as though either the templars or the mages will return to the Chantry of Andraste.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm not so sure because once this crisis is resolved, what IS the Inquisition's duties?

Because the Templars are pretty much losing their permanent jobs if it's "fight evil magic."

 

On the purpose of the Inquisition? I am honestly expecting it to either peacefully disband or made illegal and put to the torch, Its a mercenary army that outlived its usefulness, good things never happen to mercenary armies in peace time.

 

Beyond that? Well the templar purpose we already know.

 

Lambert's mission was outlined in Asunder.

 

Crush Mage rebellion, work out new deal with the Chantry with more perks for the Templar Order and Seeker Order

 

I'm just assuming it will work out the same for the mages, because let's face where will they go after the inquisition is disbanded after crisis?

[Willowhugger]

Cameron Lee said the victor would be brought into the Inquisition, so it doesn't seem as though either the templars or the mages will return to the Chantry of Andraste.

 

In a disturbing way, that actually makes it worse for the victors than if they'd lost.