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[Willowhugger]

On the purpose of the Inquisition? I am honestly expecting it to either peacefully disband or made illegal and put to the torch, Its a mercenary army that outlived its usefulness, good things never happen to mercenary armies in peace time.

 

Beyond that? Well the templar purpose we already know.

 

Lambert's mission was outlined in Asunder.

 

Crush Mage rebellion, work out new deal with the Chantry with more perks for the Templar Order and Seeker Order

 

I'm just assuming it will work out the same for the mages, because let's face where will they go after the inquisition is disbanded after crisis?

 

I don't think that's going to happen either way as the Templars have lost the public trust.

Frankly, the Inquisiton is better qualified to do their job.

 

Even if you support their cause, they did the one unforgivable crime.

FAILURE!

[KaiserShep]

The thing with the Inquisition is it's composed of Mages and Muggles, so I would presume they'd have officers qualified to do both only there would also be Mages involved in the judgements.

 

"This guy is a Blood Mage!"

"Vivienne, is he a Blood Mage?"

"*checks his spell components* Yep."

"Okay, kill him."

Merrill's praying to the creators that she doesn't have a cameo.

[The Baconer]

[...] punishing a few bad Templars, and especially the Red Templars, seems fine, but all of them?

 

Absolutely. Emphatically so, given the standard that the Order sets for itself. Of course, "punishing all of them" could mean that most of them are dismissed from service and replaced with former Inquisition members. Those in positions of leadership who managed to retain their place within the organization might also be subjected to review and subsequent demotion. The Order itself could also be "re-branded", the implication being that their namesake has been tarnished to such an extent that it must be disbanded. This would mostly be symbolic, intended to be a reminder of their shame.

 

 

I guess my main objection with the idea of punishing both sides is that if the mages are sent back to the Circle for any reason, you've sided with the Templars. 

 

Technically, I suppose. Of course, I intended to have both parties experience the listed repercussions, regardless of who I might actually side with. Either way, nobody is really getting what they want.

[LobselVith8]

I'm not so sure because once this crisis is resolved, what IS the Inquisition's duties?

Because the Templars are pretty much losing their permanent jobs if it's "fight evil magic."

 

That could depend on the respective Inquisitor, but since "Inquisition" continues after the conclusion of the main story, I'm doubtful the organization is deconstructed after the crisis with the Breach is over.

 

In a disturbing way, that actually makes it worse for the victors than if they'd lost.

 

I don't see it that way. The main character is likely going to respect the goals of the side whom he (or she) aligns with. If the Inquisitor sides with the mages who are fighting for their independence from the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars, I don't see why that would be the case; mages become part of an organization that respects their autonomy. That seems like a serious victory to me.

[Wolfen09]

sadly they have said there is no peace option, pick one and absorb it into the inquisition....  they want to da2 screw us again by making us pick instead of sitting down like reasonable adults and fixing things

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think that's going to happen either way as the Templars have lost the public trust.

 

I don't see that, as it really hasn't been witnessed, we may see something to that effect in DAI but until then?

 

I'll assume they still have that whole "champion of the common people against magic" thing they have been riding for a 1000 years.

 

 

Frankly, the Inquisiton is better qualified to do their job.

 

Not really, no.

[Willowhugger]

Not really, no.

 

Well, one has magic and an understanding of the Fade.

They also have all the Templars abilities due to Templars joining because they think their fellows are morons.

We know Cullen and other Templars have joined plus, again, the mages.

So I'm not seeing what the Templars have over them.

They're overspecialized for their job.

[LobselVith8]

Merrill's praying to the creators that she doesn't have a cameo.

 

My Dalish Inquisitor is praying to the Creators that she does so he has something to talk to. And flirt with.

[Willowhugger]

sadly they have said there is no peace option, pick one and absorb it into the inquisition....  they want to da2 screw us again by making us pick instead of sitting down like reasonable adults and fixing things

 

Frankly, this revelation has me curious.

 

What happens to the Ex-Templars?

 

Or Ex-Mages.

Because if the Inquisition takes over either then the Circle system is bust forever.

[KaiserShep]

sadly they have said there is no peace option, pick one and absorb it into the inquisition....  they want to da2 screw us again by making us pick instead of sitting down like reasonable adults and fixing things.

 

Sounds believable enough to me. If there's one thing I have little faith in, it's the influence of "reasonable adults" when it comes to settling disputes between factions on the extreme ends of the spectrum. I mean really, what can the Inquisitor possibly do or say to make them sit down and actually come to a compromise they could both agree to?

[Icy Magebane]

Absolutely. Emphatically so, given the standard that the Order sets for itself. Of course, "punishing all of them" could mean that most of them are dismissed from service and replaced with former Inquisition members. Those in positions of leadership who managed to retain their place within the organization might also be subjected to review and subsequent demotion. The Order itself could also be "re-branded", the implication being that their namesake has been tarnished to such an extent that it must be disbanded. This would mostly be symbolic, intended to be a reminder of their shame.

Interesting.  While I'm not necessarily in favor of disbanding the Templars, I can't say that a harsh punishment is unwarranted.  I also would not make sweeping judgements that punished even the good and honorable Templars, but such is life... so long as the mages go back to the Circles and somebody is there to watch them, I won't object to the particulars... the Templar Order is definitely in need of some oversight to prevent situations like Kirkwall from ever happening again, and if that includes being rebuilt from the ground up, then so be it.  Like I said, I'm not sure I'd take it that far, but I don't think it would be completely unjustified...

[leadintea]

They should make it like a JRPG and only have the peace option after playing the game at least two times and siding with either side at least once in your previous playthroughs.

 

*J/k. Well, half-kidding.

[Willowhugger]

They should make it like a JRPG and only have the peace option after playing the game at least two times and siding with either side at least once in your previous playthroughs.

 

*J/k. Well, half-kidding.

 

Be like Eternal Darkness where you defeat them in alternate parallel time-lines and then team up to defeat the Big Bad.

The Elder One: YOU CANNOT DEFEAT ME! I AM A GOD!

*pause*

The Elder One: WHAT!? THREE INQUISTORS!? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, one has magic and an understanding of the Fade.

They also have all the Templars abilities due to Templars joining because they think their fellows are morons.

We know Cullen and other Templars have joined plus, again, the mages.

So I'm not seeing what the Templars have over them.

They're overspecialized for their job.

 

For one?

 

Manpower, the Templar order was founded by the Chantry from the original inquisition for the sole purpose of warding over mages.

 

They are an army to that purpose, one that at it's height likely outnumbered the Inquisition of DAI several times over.

 

Beyond that? To combat magic you would need Lyrium, The Templar order through its own connections via carta smuggling rings or the Chantry had a steady and sizable supply of it, How will the Inquisition of today, if it is not connected to the Chantry or Carta or Dwarven Monarchy supply its "templars" with lyrium?

 

For a third? The Inquisition doesn't have the logistical or regional theater presence to project it self like the Templar Order, it presumably has outposts in Orlais and Fereldan, The Templar order and circle operates in every nation in Thedas. Think about it, this is a mercenary army maybe operating in two countries, you are speaking of doing more then tripling then that. Antiva, Rivain, Orlais, Fereldan, Neverra, The Anderfels, The Free Marches, The Inquisition would need to be so much larger in scope to do what you propose it isn't even funny.

 

Your talking about replacing an order that likely had more then ten thousand members spread across the entirety of Thedas in multiple locations, as it is a small task.

[Icy Magebane]

So I'm not seeing what the Templars have over them.

They're overspecialized for their job.

Time, for one thing.  Watching mages is a full-time job, and if the Inquisition takes on that role, there will be little time for them to do anything else... even so, I am having a hard time envisioning sovereign nations who have traditionally been shielded by commonly respected Chantry Templars embracing a secular, possibly radical mercenary force that seeks to control and house all mages.  That actually sounds like grounds for an Exalted March to me.

[KaiserShep]

Fighting a whole crusade sounds like glorious fun. If only I could march my entire Inquisition to the Thedas equivalent of the hot gates, and have the Chantry horde beat against our shields as we lay a carpet of their dead.

[LobselVith8]

Frankly, this revelation has me curious.

 

What happens to the Ex-Templars?

 

Or Ex-Mages.

Because if the Inquisition takes over either then the Circle system is bust forever.

 

I'm doubtful both options are leading to lead to some variation of the status quo; the entire point of siding with the mages fighting for their autonomy would be to help the mages achieve their independence, not put them back in a situation they would be subservient to a group who would have all the power over them.

[KaiserShep]

Frankly, this revelation has me curious.

 

What happens to the Ex-Templars?

 

Or Ex-Mages.

Because if the Inquisition takes over either then the Circle system is bust forever.

I can't help but feel that the Circle system as we know it is bust forever anyway.

[Willowhugger]

Time, for one thing.  Watching mages is a full-time job, and if the Inquisition takes on that role, there will be little time for them to do anything else... even so, I am having a hard time envisioning sovereign nations who have traditionally been shielded by commonly respected Chantry Templars embracing a secular, possibly radical mercenary force that seeks to control and house all mages.  That actually sounds like grounds for an Exalted March to me.

 

I dunno, I suppose it's a question of Idle Hands are the Devil's Workshop. If the Mages are supervised by the Inquisition then it's very likely quite a lot of them will JOIN the Inquisition in rooting out evil mages.

 

The Templars are, as now, a Panopticon system which watches mages 24-7 as their chief and primary job.

 

If Mages are, "Innocent until proven guilty but we have a BIG ****ing stick if guilty" then it might free up the Inquisition to be able to do things more useful to Thedas like actually tracking down Blood Mages, Demons, and devising ways to fight the Qunari or Darkspawn.

 

One of the big things I've noticed about the Templars is they're so damn WASTEFUL. Most mages seem to be fairly normal people and there's so many damn bad guys OUTSIDE the Circle.

Like the entire nation of Tevinter.

Remember, when you side with the Mages, the Templars CAN'T HELP AGAINST THE DARKSPAWN. I mean...wth.

[Master Warder Z_]

Fighting a whole crusade sounds like glorious fun.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I really hope their is a Peace option for this conflict. 

[Willowhugger]

I really hope their is a Peace option for this conflict. 

 

I hope the Templar order isn't disbanded if they're defeated.

Which I NEVER expected to say.

[Master Warder Z_]

I hope the Templar order isn't disbanded if they're defeated.

Which I NEVER expected to say.

 

Yeah it's scary just how critical they are when you think about it.

 

How replacing them is a nightmare of a task.

[Willowhugger]

Yeah, I think the Inquisition should take over investigation and tracking down Bad Mages and Spirits but the Templars should exist too. Just no authority to try, investigate, or judge mages.

[pengwin21]

Maybe it's something like:

 

Kill all the mages

Kill all the templars

Kill extremists, re-establish Circle

 

Or something similar