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[themageguy]

I find it interesting that Templars are willing to use Red lyrium.
Sure the magic they use from lyrium doesn't come with the threat of possession, or temptation to utilise forbidden magics, but it does represent a great danger to themselves and others- it strips away their faculties (look at poor Meredith) and turns them into monsters not unlike abominations.
(does anyone else want to see a pride demon take on a behemoth?)
Im doing a dragon age 2 play through at the moment. Speaking to Cullen he tells you of a time when Templars were respected for protecting people from DARK magic. He also admits magic has its uses. I like Cullen. He makes a good and fair templar.

I wouldve liked to have seen the ability to have both mage and templar factions submit to my inquisition, however im happy to have to choose as it makes roleplaying a character bit more engaging in the game.

[Yinello]

I'm absolutely for solving the mage-templar conflict. Ideally I'd like the mages to teach their own young kin, give them the freedom any person should have and have the templars act as a general police force for anyone who would use magic to hurt others. Also I'll recruit them all for my massive Inquisition army. Mwuahahah!

[Elfquisitor]

I'd rather a kill all templars and recreate the imperium option.

I'd rather kill all mages, then create a ruthless circle one that doesn't show mercy or pity on these monsters. Or the qunari solution with the leashing sound good too. The only mages that will be allowed to live outside the circle, are Dalish, no point in forcing a genocide upon making them give up their kin.

[MisterJB]

Although Fenris does support blackmailing the templar about his daughter...even to me that's a little cold blooded.

I think it was because Thrask placed everyone in the city at danger by concealing his daugther's magical abilities and thus deserves a punishment, in Fenris' view.

[Willowhugger]

I'll be kind of sad if the options are.

"Defeat the Templars and Mages now fall under the purview of the Inquisition."

or

"Defeat the Mages and the Templars are now part of your army."

But the more I think about it, I expect that'll be it.

[Jazzpha]

I'll be kind of sad if the options are.

"Defeat the Templars and Mages now fall under the purview of the Inquisition."

or

"Defeat the Mages and the Templars are now part of your army."

But the more I think about it, I expect that'll be it.

 

My guess is some Templars or Mages might join your ranks depending on how you resolve the conflict, but I doubt they'd all just march with the Inquisition in lockstep. I'd wager the Mages would go off to do their own thing post-War by and large, not sure about the Templars.

 

Maybe we'll run into wandering pockets of Mages throughout the rest of the game if we side with the Mages-- who knows? But yeah, while people entering your ranks will likely be part of the resolution, I doubt it'll be the sole major consequence.

[Willowhugger]

My guess is some Templars or Mages might join your ranks depending on how you resolve the conflict, but I doubt they'd all just march with the Inquisition in lockstep. I'd wager the Mages would go off to do their own thing post-War by and large, not sure about the Templars.

 

Maybe we'll run into wandering pockets of Mages throughout the rest of the game if we side with the Mages-- who knows? But yeah, while people entering your ranks will likely be part of the resolution, I doubt it'll be the sole major consequence.

It, again, depends on what the Inquisition "does."

David Gaider described DA:I as "The game where you're the founder of the Jedi Order."

[Jaison1986]

To be honest, I'm sick of trying to stay neutral and reaching compromises. I'm more interested in wiping out one side for good then just try to break an fragile alliance. This is an medieval setting, not some modern political shenanigans.

[raging_monkey]

So the skyhold interview implies we can only choose one this doesn't bode well

[Willowhugger]

So the skyhold interview implies we can only choose one this doesn't bode well

 

I'm more interested in what the terms of peace are if they're now with you.

Does the Templar Order or Mage Circles now ANSWER to the Inquisition? On a permanent basis?

Are we like the Joint Chiefs of Staff for them or, at least, their internal affairs?

or are they just allied with us for the duration of the crisis?

[raging_monkey]

I'm more interested in what the terms of peace are if they're now with you.Does the Templar Order or Mage Circles now ANSWER to the Inquisition? On a permanent basis?Are we like the Joint Chiefs of Staff for them or, at least, their internal affairs?or are they just allied with us for the duration of the crisis?

internal affairs sounds like great comp everything goes back to zero(with a few addendums)

[Willowhugger]

internal affairs sounds like great comp everything goes back to zero(with a few addendums)

 

I confess, it'd be kind of appropriate yet hilarious and sad all at the same time.

 

Tens of thousands dead.

 

Entire regions devastated.

 

All so Mages can just join the group which supervises them and have a say in whether they get executed or not.

The sad fact?

Wars have been considered "won" for far less concessions.

[PsyrenY]

 

a new type of circle would be awesome (sry Anders there is actually a compromise)
 

 

Anders was saying there is no compromise with the current Chantry + Templar system. Obviously if they change it or meet the mages halfway there is more room to bargain.

[raging_monkey]

Anders was saying there is no compromise with the current Chantry + Templar system. Obviously if they change it or meet the mages halfway there is more room to bargain.

i love anders agree with some of his views.. but he was a madman

[Willowhugger]

i love anders agree with some of his views.. but he was a madman

 

He was, indeed, a madman but I think he wasn't wrong that the Chantry had no intention of honoring any bargains since they had everything to gain but nothing to lose by continuing the system as is.

 

It's why the whole Leliana plotline with the Resolutionists left me annoyed.

"There are mages resorting to terrorism against the Chantry."

"So?"

[LobselVith8]

To be honest, I'm sick of trying to stay neutral and reaching compromises. I'm more interested in wiping out one side for good then just try to break an fragile alliance. This is an medieval setting, not some modern political shenanigans.

It's doubtful the Mage-Templar War will force the protagonist into a compromise, so I don't think you have to worry. Templars fighting against mages with opposing ideologies is likely going to allow the protagonist to help one side attain a decisive victory for one side over the other.

[themageguy]

If we support Templars....can i have a pet behemoth?

[wcholcombe]

Here in lies the question though.  If a lot of templars, mages, and chantry effectively went boom at the peace conference, there may not be any true organized groups to make peace with.

 

We don't know who is leading the templars in redcliff or the red templars either for that matter, and while there are a number of mages there, there isn't any indication that they are organized or affiliated with any other mage groups but are just more or less following the orders of the the Magister in redcliff.

 

It is entirely possible there isn't any leadership left to make peace with and the templars and mages are just functioning largely as isolated pockets at this point independent of each other and just trying to survive.

 

So in that case, it may be that with some groups you make peace, while others you exterminate one side or the other or possibly both.

[Steelcan]

Here in lies the question though.  If a lot of templars, mages, and chantry effectively went boom at the peace conference, there may not be any true organized groups to make peace with.

 

We don't know who is leading the templars in redcliff or the red templars either for that matter, and while there are a number of mages there, there isn't any indication that they are organized or affiliated with any other mage groups but are just more or less following the orders of the the Magister in redcliff.

 

It is entirely possible there isn't any leadership left to make peace with and the templars and mages are just functioning largely as isolated pockets at this point independent of each other and just trying to survive.

 

So in that case, it may be that with some groups you make peace, while others you exterminate one side or the other or possibly both.

these seems likely to me

[wcholcombe]

Anders was saying there is no compromise with the current Chantry + Templar system. Obviously if they change it or meet the mages halfway there is more room to bargain.

There is no compromise in Kirkwall or the Free Marches- Which btw even the Orlesians consider them to have unecessarily harsh views on magic and the treatment of mages.

[Ruairi46]

I'd honestly like at the end of Inquisition for the Templars and inquisition to be one of the same. So the Templars are Incorporated into the inquisition, or (Unlikely) the inquisition carry out the job of the Templars.

[Willowhugger]

these seems likely to me

 

It seems unlikely to me since it wouldn't be much of a peace if you're just dealing with Pocket 1# or Pocket 2#.

[Gervaise]

The trouble is that DA2 showed the extremes of both sides and tended to polarise the way people viewed the situation.   Back in DAO I felt there was something wrong in locking people up just based on the fact they were mages and making them Tranquil against their will but then we saw what happened in Redcliffe with an untrained/poorly trained child and it made you realise why the Circles had been created.    Then you saw what happened in the Circle itself due to the actions of a rogue mage, even with the presence of Templars, and it reinforced the view that there have to be some sort of controls.   I'd prefer having open Circles where all mages (not just nobility) can still have contact with their families (assuming of course they haven't been rejected by them which is what happened with Jowan and Wynne as well I seem to recall).

 

I also felt it was wrong creating a situation where a person has to be addicted to a mind rotting substance.     I also feel that Templars should be selected on their moral integrity rather than their religious zeal.    The big issue is when it comes to politics.   They have Circles in Tevinter, controlled by mages.   They also have Templars to act as a magical police force.   Yet blood magic is rife and non-mages suffer at the hands of mages.

 

The problem is one of power.   As several posters have pointed out, people have a tendency to abuse power and the more powerful you are, the greater the temptation.   Abuse of power is not confined to mages or Templars.    Throughout Thedas the nobility abuse their power.   When Celene sacrificed her servants simply to prove herself worthy of the support of another powerful noble, how was this different from an Altus in Tevinter sacrificing slaves in a magical ritual in order to impress other mages and move up the social rank?    Fact is it wasn't.    The reason mages have always been kept locked up outside of Tevinter is, I believe, really a matter of politics rather than concern for the common man.   However, it is sold to the masses as a matter of security and several hundreds of years of propaganda mean that people now believe it to be true.    It is also possible that we will learn a bit more about what the situation was like back at the time of the original Inquisition and why the decisions were taken at that time to set up the Circles in the way they were.    From what Cullen said and what had been hinted elsewhere, the relations between mages and Templars had been growing worse over time, possibly due to the influence of the Elder One behind the scenes, and so we have never witnessed the Circles as they were intended to be.

 

No matter what the Inquisitor wishes is really irrelevant.   What you have to consider is what you can achieve within the scope of what you are offered.    Actually trying to achieve some sort of compromise would make sense because a peaceful resolution will aid in closing up the breach.     Mass bloodshed on either side will only fuel making it bigger.    However, I'm guessing that there are going to be extremists who will not be willing to compromise and that is where a decision will have to be made either to agree with their demands or wipe them out.    Then presumably those extremists in the opposite camp will either join you or resist you accordingly.  

 

For the present I'd say, let's wait and see.

[wcholcombe]

It seems unlikely to me since it wouldn't be much of a peace if you're just dealing with Pocket 1# or Pocket 2#.

Sure it would, by removing or bringing back into the fold the small pockets, you effectively resolve the situation.  My belief from what we know is that after the big boom, Fiona et al no longer exist the same as Justinia.  There will be no leadership left.  The same would go for the templars.

 

Now before you say they won't kill off Rhys and Fiona and the rest so casually, they are blowing up Justinia who has been around for as long or longer then most all of them and is in fact a bigger piece of the pie.  Plus, if they are willing to remove the leadership of the Chantry, what do the devs care about removing the organized leadership of the mages and templars.

 

We don't know who is ordering around the templars. We don't know if Lambert is alive or dead or running with the Red Templars, but whomever it is likely dies with the others.

 

You either bring the remaining pockets to heal in whichever manner you choose or you remove them from the board and you thereby achieve peace.

 

Now how said peace is achieved I don't know.  I don't know if the inquisitor will be allowed to negotiate terms or just get the sides to agree to a working relationship to achieve a formal accord down the road somewhere. It will depend on how much details they actually allow us to shape.

[Willowhugger]

 

Now before you say they won't kill off Rhys and Fiona and the rest so casually, they are blowing up Justinia who has been around for as long or longer then most all of them and is in fact a bigger piece of the pie.

 

Are we sure Justinia dies? I assumed she was the person who recognized the Inquisitor and held back Cassandra from killing you.