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There should be a peace option when we solve the Mage-Templar conflict


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Are we sure Justinia dies? I assumed she was the person who recognized the Inquisitor and held back Cassandra from killing you.

Yes, unfortunately as I think she is one of the better and more intelligent characters in DAO, I am 99.999999999999% certain she is dead.  the 0.0000000000001% chance is simply because I have not played the game yet, but I am all but certain she is gone bye bye.

 

There is an equally small chance we might be able to bring her back, but I doubt it.



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Yes, unfortunately as I think she is one of the better and more intelligent characters in DAO, I am 99.999999999999% certain she is dead.  the 0.0000000000001% chance is simply because I have not played the game yet, but I am all but certain she is gone bye bye.

 

There is an equally small chance we might be able to bring her back, but I doubt it.

Well barring evidence, I'm going to have the same she survives.



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Yes, unfortunately as I think she is one of the better and more intelligent characters in DAO, I am 99.999999999999% certain she is dead. the 0.0000000000001% chance is simply because I have not played the game yet, but I am all but certain she is gone bye bye.

There is an equally small chance we might be able to bring her back, but I doubt it.


It's likely as interviews have read how the Chantry leadership dies during the conclave, and how Cassandra breaks the Inquisition away because of how the Chantry doesn't effectively respond to what's going on. It's why the organization is effectively neutral.

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It's likely as interviews have read how the Chantry leadership dies during the conclave, and how Cassandra breaks the Inquisition away because of how the Chantry doesn't effectively respond to what's going on. It's why the organization is effectively neutral.

 

I think they wouldn't have Cassandra or Leliana there without Justinia ordering them to be.



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I think they wouldn't have Cassandra or Leliana there without Justinia ordering them to be.


Quite likely, the Inquisition is formed after the dissolution of the Circles and defection of the Templar Order; I suspect the reason Gaider said Leliana wasn't wearing a Seeker uniform at the end of Dragon Age II is because it's an Inquisition uniform.

However, I think by the time the main character is found (after the cataclysm) that the Divine is already dead. This allows the Inquisition to be neutral, and for the protagonist to shape the organization as the uncontested leader.

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Quite likely, the Inquisition is formed after the dissolution of the Circles and defection of the Templar Order; I suspect the reason Gaider said Leliana wasn't wearing a Seeker uniform at the end of Dragon Age II is because it's an Inquisition uniform.

However, I think by the time the main character is found (after the cataclysm) that the Divine is already dead. This allows the Inquisition to be neutral, and for the protagonist to shape the organization as the uncontested leader.

I think it's more likely Justiana makes it clear she can't be involved because people don't respect her authority anymore.

 

I think they've been building up Justinia's appearance since Leliana's song and she'll have a pretty important role.

At least equivalent to Duncan.



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I think the whole point of of the blast at the Chantry conclave is to assassinate the leadership of the parties who are seeking peace, including Justina.


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I think the whole point of of the blast at the Chantry conclave is to assassinate the leadership of the parties who are seeking peace, including Justina.

 

Maybe her carriage was late.

:-)

Or she was just outside of the blast zone.



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I think the whole point of of the blast at the Chantry conclave is to assassinate the leadership of the parties who are seeking peace, including Justina.

Speaking of which, doesn't she have a successor lined up?  I have a hard time believing the Chantry would go without leadership for long...



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The surviving leaders of the chantry flee back to val royeuax and begin discussing who should succeed her rather then dealing with the issues. This is part of why Cassandra gets frustrated with the chantry leadership.

Successors aren't chosen until current person is dead. Just like catholic church doesn't have an immediate plan of succession for pope.
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I think it's more likely Justiana makes it clear she can't be involved because people don't respect her authority anymore.

 

I think they've been building up Justinia's appearance since Leliana's song and she'll have a pretty important role.

At least equivalent to Duncan.

Not a good argument for her survival.



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Maybe her carriage was late.

:-)

Or she was just outside of the blast zone.

 

Said Leliana while cradling a somewhat burnt chantry hat.


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I believe in one of the interviews Lee states she walks into the building prior to it exploding.

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I believe in one of the interviews Lee states she walks into the building prior to it exploding.

 

Given what happened to Elthina, it is starting to sound like high ranking chantry women are a valuable ingredient for high explosives.


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Given what happened to Elthina, it is starting to sound like high ranking chantry women are a valuable ingredient for high explosives.

 

Finally the missing ingredient in Gaatlok is discovered!



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There is no compromise in Kirkwall or the Free Marches- Which btw even the Orlesians consider them to have unnecessarily harsh views on magic and the treatment of mages.

 

Where was this said? World of Thedas? One of the tie-in novels?



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They're not *some*. When a high authority approves of something, it's all the rest need. Orlais and Tevinter are both disgusting, but Orlais doesn't get near as much hate, oddly enough. Like if you don't call elves slaves it changes something.

 

Point? I don't really have a point, I just want to see all templars dead and gone. It'll be a nice change.

 

Well, fat chances on that. 

So would you play every game that way?  



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Superior as a being. Mages are to humans what humans are to monkeys.

i agree but as mage players we should be more compromising for one the non-mages have numbers and fear makes for a great moral boost for them.

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I'm hoping so. I agree with the Mages goals, but a Templar army will be very handy when I begin my War of Emancipation on Tevinter, so I don't want to kill them all.

I want to absorb the Templars into the Inquisition and let the Mage be free.



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if Fiona dies in that blast I will be so happy



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:D  that was my biggest problem with DA2.  No matter who I sided with, they were crazy.  

 

I really hope they can give us the illusion that the side we are supporting has some reasons for that support.  Also really hoping, depending on choices, that you can get a middle ground with enough of them to take care of whatever the threat is.  

 

I'll more than likely have games supporting the mages and games supporting the templars, though I do have a partiality towards the mages.    


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I'm hoping so. I agree with the Mages goals, but a Templar army will be very handy when I begin my War of Emancipation on Tevinter, so I don't want to kill them all.

I want to absorb the Templars into the Inquisition and let the Mage be free.

By "absorb," I take it that you mean "replace all existing Templars and distribute their powers among loyal new recruits?"  I can't see many existing Templars agreeing to this plan since their job is to police mages and will only go to war if the Chantry decrees it is their duty.  Remember that Templars are chosen for religious zeal, and so it will be no small task to convince them to do anything the Chantry hasn't approved of.  Fighting Tevinter at the behest of an idealist, secular warmonger is not what they signed up for, and I don't think you will be able to convince them to die on behalf of Tevinter slaves...



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Where was this said? World of Thedas? One of the tie-in novels?


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By "absorb," I take it that you mean "replace all existing Templars and distribute their powers among loyal new recruits?"  I can't see many existing Templars agreeing to this plan since their job is to police mages and will only go to war if the Chantry decrees it is their duty.  Remember that Templars are chosen for religious zeal, and so it will be no small task to convince them to do anything the Chantry hasn't approved of.  Fighting Tevinter at the behest of an idealist, secular warmonger is not what they signed up for, and I don't think you will be able to convince them to die on behalf of Tevinter slaves...

By absorb I mean tear the organization apart and intergrate its members into the Inquisition, spreading the them among different units. THose who don't wish to join, may leave. THose who may try and get back at the Mages or have a similar disposition to Alrik from DA2 will be executed or will have "accidents". Whatevers best for the situation. With the most zealous, I would form them into Mage/Templar teams of mage hunters who's purpose is to hunt dangerous mages like serial killers.

 

They may not care about the slaves, but I can easily just play up the whole "All Magisters are Blood Mages" angle. I could hire Fenris to explain it to them! 

 

There's no doubt more to it and if it's an option in DA:I, I'm hoping Bioware covers what I missed :)



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By "absorb," I take it that you mean "replace all existing Templars and distribute their powers among loyal new recruits?"  I can't see many existing Templars agreeing to this plan since their job is to police mages and will only go to war if the Chantry decrees it is their duty.  Remember that Templars are chosen for religious zeal, and so it will be no small task to convince them to do anything the Chantry hasn't approved of.  Fighting Tevinter at the behest of an idealist, secular warmonger is not what they signed up for, and I don't think you will be able to convince them to die on behalf of Tevinter slaves...

 

The Templars may be more agreeable after a war and Rift Explosion devastated their ranks.

Ditto the Mages.

Remember, Cullen was FREAKED OUT by Meredith's actions and that was at the start of the war.