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There should be a peace option when we solve the Mage-Templar conflict


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Yes, peace is possible but we still have to take sides.

darn i hate choosing

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It would have been better for the mages. I could see Cullen siding with Evangeline.

 

I can see Cullen gutting Evangleline.

 

You think he would tolerate a traitor that actually joins in the rebellion?

 

He ignored thrask whispering into his ear, to "rebel" against Meredith.

 

You think he wouldn't see the big picture when it came to such a thing?



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I can see Cullen gutting Evangleline.

 

You think he would tolerate a traitor that actually joins in the rebellion?

 

He ignored thrask whispering into his ear, to "rebel" against Meredith.

 

You think he wouldn't see the big picture when it came to such a thing?

 

Cullen is very much about not being a Templar anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the ones with Cassandra and Leliana at the start. The interview talks about how he was shocked out of loyalty by Meredith becoming an abomination.

It's entirely possible he never joined Lambert's War.



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I can see Cullen unsure about which stance to take only for the Inquisitor to push him into being mage-friendly or templar-friendly through multiple conversations.


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I think he would act as he did in DA2 and in the final events of Asunder he would have sided with the will of the Divine against the abuses of Lambert. Which he obviosly does considering he is now a member of the Inquisition.



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I can see Cullen gutting Evangleline.

 

You think he would tolerate a traitor that actually joins in the rebellion?

 

He ignored thrask whispering into his ear, to "rebel" against Meredith.

 

You think he wouldn't see the big picture when it came to such a thing?

Considering the events at Kirkwall and he knew Meredith was getting closer to the edge like Uldered, I'm pretty sure some of his views have changed.



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Frankly, I do find it sort of weird that Cullen finds Meredith's position so unreasonable. He's the sort of guy who thought the Tranquil Solution wasn't a bad idea, possibly butchered three of his charges before running to Kirkwall's Templars, and is constantly backing up the extremists. I never understood why he had his sudden change of heart over executing the Champion in the Mage ending. You know, despite the fact the Champion *WAS* a traitor and mine at least had flat-out murdered a bunch of Templars from the beginning including the ones involved in Karl's abduction as well as Ser Alrik.

Meredith, herself, was an extremist nutbar but I don't get why he let's her color the entire Templar cause.

 

She's kind of an isolated incident, what with the One Ring of Sauron and all she was carrying around.



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I hope cullen is still hardlined but has mercy and compassion when its required

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I hope cullen is still hardlined but has mercy and compassion when its required

 

I'm guessing that Cullen's attitude is the Templars are no better than Mages.

 

Which has to be a bitter pill to swallow.

 

If both can be abominations, then what's to say the difference between them?



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I'd rather a kill all templars and recreate the imperium option.

 

Because that went so well the last time...*Cough Darkspawn Cough*



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Because that went so well the last time...*Cough Darkspawn Cough*

 

To be fair, that seems to be less about magic and more about Evil Dragons.



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I'm guessing that Cullen's attitude is the Templars are no better than Mages. Which has to be a bitter pill to swallow. If both can be abominations, then what's to say the difference between them?

good point. When fighting monsters careful not to become one

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I think at the end of the day your side is dependent on what you care about most, freedom or security.


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Frankly, I do find it sort of weird that Cullen finds Meredith's position so unreasonable. He's the sort of guy who thought the Tranquil Solution wasn't a bad idea, possibly butchered three of his charges before running to Kirkwall's Templars, and is constantly backing up the extremists. I never understood why he had his sudden change of heart over executing the Champion in the Mage ending. You know, despite the fact the Champion *WAS* a traitor and mine at least had flat-out murdered a bunch of Templars from the beginning including the ones involved in Karl's abduction as well as Ser Alrik.

Meredith, herself, was an extremist nutbar but I don't get why he let's her color the entire Templar cause.

 

She's kind of an isolated incident, what with the One Ring of Sauron and all she was carrying around.

He also shows mercey to the mages if you take the templar side.

 

He even credits this to the idea that the KC of the ferelden circle showed mercy to the mages who weren't possessed and this worked out for the best.



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Cullen is very much about not being a Templar anymore. 

 

We were discussing What ifs and nothing more.



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Because that went so well the last time...*Cough Darkspawn Cough*

It's not like it can happen twice, Most of the old gods are dead already. In fact Thedas would be better off actively looking for them so they can kill them.



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It's not like it can happen twice

 

Dude are you just trying to jinx Thedas?



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It will be interesting to see what options are will be available to resolve this. Peace, putting one side to the sword...or something more.



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Dude are you just trying to jinx Thedas?

Yes, a second blight would make me a happy man. Especially if it was straight after this big demon war.



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Frankly, I do find it sort of weird that Cullen finds Meredith's position so unreasonable. He's the sort of guy who thought the Tranquil Solution wasn't a bad idea, possibly butchered three of his charges before running to Kirkwall's Templars, and is constantly backing up the extremists. I never understood why he had his sudden change of heart over executing the Champion in the Mage ending. You know, despite the fact the Champion *WAS* a traitor and mine at least had flat-out murdered a bunch of Templars from the beginning including the ones involved in Karl's abduction as well as Ser Alrik.
Meredith, herself, was an extremist nutbar but I don't get why he let's her color the entire Templar cause.
 
She's kind of an isolated incident, what with the One Ring of Sauron and all she was carrying around.


I always saw it as self preservation, he likely knew he'd die if he took on Hawke & co

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Inqusitor: Peace? We shall have peace... We shall have peace, when you answer for the burning of Kirkwall, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the mages whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Circle, are avenged! When you hang from a gibbit for the sport of your own crows...! We shall have peace.

 

Josephine: Much better reply!

Inquisitor: You're right. No, I'm coming to kill you wasn't poetic enough for addressing Lambert's forces.



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As much arse labert was he did his job based the evidence at hand

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Cullen gutting Evangeline?

 

Yeah that ain't gonna happen in a million years. Cullen would probably just stand there deciding what side to go with and would finally come to a decision after 99% of the war is over.



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As much arse labert was he did his job based the evidence at hand

 

I don't actually find Lambert's actions all that unreasonable as Rhys was demon-influenced, Cole IS a serial killer, Adrian DID murder a perfectly innocent mage, and the Circles WERE plotting revolution.

 

But I saw it as similar to (my wife's influence, I swear) Catching Fire the movie.

 

When you double down on a hardline stance when the people's mood is already ugly, you don't actually serve any cause but the revolutionaries.

 

That and Lambert's support of the Rite of Tranquility was a dumb-dumb thing.



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I don't actually find Lambert's actions all that unreasonable as Rhys was demon-influenced, Cole IS a serial killer, Adrian DID murder a perfectly innocent mage, and the Circles WERE plotting revolution. But I saw it as similar to (my wife's influence, I swear) Catching Fire the movie. When you double down on a hardline stance when the people's mood is already ugly, you don't actually serve any cause but the revolutionaries. That and Lambert's support of the Rite of Tranquility was a dumb-dumb thing.

true but whats catching fire?