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[Willowhugger]

No RL examples, please.

That demeans reality to make a comparison to two fictional groups of people.

Neither of which is a race.

[raging_monkey]

True but why does everyone go there

[Tenebrae]

Its been tried many times but theres been no succussful attempt

 

Untrue, while the total extermination of a cultural group of people in the literal sense has yet to be done successfully in modern times, it could have easily happened and the reasons it failed had nothing to do with the task itself being impossible.

[Tenebrae]

No RL examples, please.

That demeans reality to make a comparison to two fictional groups of people.

Neither of which is a race.

 

She asked for some, so i delivered, there is really no reason to take offense.

 

And of course non of the above are a race of their own, you'd have to be an utter idiot to think otherwise, non of us vary enough on basic genetic level to constitute a sub race, let alone an entirely different race.

[raging_monkey]

Untrue, while the total extermination of a cultural group of people in the literal sense has yet to be done successfully in modern times, it could have easily happened and the reasons it failed had nothing to do with the task itself being impossible.

i was using modern history

[Tenebrae]

i was using modern history

 

WW2 is modern history, or do you not count anything that happened before the 21st began as modern history?

[raging_monkey]

WW2 is modern history, or do you not count anything that happened before the 21st began as modern history?

i count it all my friend. I really must proof read my responses haha

[Aimi]

Untrue, while the total extermination of a cultural group of people in the literal sense has yet to be done successfully in modern times, it could have easily happened and the reasons it failed had nothing to do with the task itself being impossible.

The fact that it has failed so often is an excellent argument against your claim that it is somehow "easier" to kill 'em all.

Your repeated attempts to bring up "cultural extermination" are really self-defeating, because in each of those alleged cases the fact is that some form of peace was made and things changed after the peace. Leaving aside whether your examples are factual - I dispute them all, especially the Roman-Gallic example, but going too in-depth as to why would be decidedly off-topic - the fact that there are so few of them is precisely my point.

I'll ignore the moral aspects of your posts because frankly, if I have to respond to them to try to convince the peanut gallery that you're wrong, I doubt I'd want to convince them anyway.

[raging_monkey]

The fact that it has failed so often is an excellent argument against your claim that it is somehow "easier" to kill 'em all.Your repeated attempts to bring up "cultural extermination" are really self-defeating, because in each of those alleged cases the fact is that some form of peace was made and things changed after the peace. Leaving aside whether your examples are factual - I dispute them all, especially the Roman-Gallic example, but going too in-depth as to why would be decidedly off-topic - the fact that there are so few of them is precisely my point.I'll ignore the moral aspects of your posts because frankly, if I have to respond to them to try to convince the peanut gallery that you're wrong, I doubt I'd want to convince them anyway.

again remind me to never get on your bad side. But lets bring this topic around and keep RL examples out of it if not for political correctness

[Willowhugger]

A more pertinent historical example is the Knights Templar.

That organization was destroyed by Philip the Fair and never rose again.

Claims to the Illuminati and Masonic conspiracy aside.

[Sir DeLoria]

While compromise should be achievable it will in the end amount to nothing more then half measures, and those are a recipe for utter failure in the long run, the only way to insure complete and utter victory and the oh so coveted "peace" is to utterly annihilate the opposing side.

Impossible because:

1) Any child can be a mage and even commoners can have mage offspring

2) Templars are just regular soldiers with special training

[Willowhugger]

Impossible because:

a) Any child can be a mage and even commoners can have mage offspring

Templars are just regular soldiers with special training

 

Orsino: WHY DON'T THEY JUST DROWN US AT BIRTH!

Pro-Templar Forumites: GOOD IDEA!

 

:-)

[raging_monkey]

Why is total anniliation the solution to both mage and templars ? Always a curious thought

[Steelcan]

Why is total anniliation the solution to both mage and templars ? Always a curious thought

it's not

 

short of completely cutting magic of from Thedas there will always be mages, and Templars can always be trained

[Ryzaki]

it's not

 

short of completely cutting magic of from Thedas there will always be mages, and Templars can always be trained

 

Which is clearly why moderation is the best option

[Tenebrae]

The fact that it has failed so often is an excellent argument against your claim that it is somehow "easier" to kill 'em all.

Your repeated attempts to bring up "cultural extermination" are really self-defeating, because in each of those alleged cases the fact is that some form of peace was made and things changed after the peace. Leaving aside whether your examples are factual - I dispute them all, especially the Roman-Gallic example, but going too in-depth as to why would be decidedly off-topic - the fact that there are so few of them is precisely my point.

I'll ignore the moral aspects of your posts because frankly, if I have to respond to them to try to convince the peanut gallery that you're wrong, I doubt I'd want to convince them anyway.

 

It is easier in the long run, the short run though is bound to be a messy endeavor, but it boils down to end goal, whether you are searching for a momentary respite or a lasting one.

 

Dispute all you like, but the fact remains that when the barbarians came Gaul was completely romanized as was Britain (the province, not the island) Iberia etc.

 

Morality has no businesses in the  medieval world that is Theads, it is an oddity not the norm.

 

And it even cripples us in our world as well to the point of becoming a joke, especially when people champion the use of morality when dealing with those that have none

[raging_monkey]

it's not short of completely cutting magic of from Thedas there will always be mages, and Templars can always be trained

i am aware of this but everytime i read mage v templars debates its a popular option

[Sir DeLoria]

Orsino: WHY DON'T THEY JUST DROWN US AT BIRTH!
Pro-Templar Forumites: GOOD IDEA!

:-)

Eh, only the extreme ones (and MWZ )

I'm 100% pro Templar but I think a compromise between both sides is best.

[Tenebrae]

Impossible because:

a) Any child can be a mage and even commoners can have mage offspring

Templars are just regular soldiers with special training

 

I am not speaking of a mage extermination is that is not a feasible solution, because as you said mages will keep being born.

 

All i am saying that for either side the be victorious the other side need to be destroyed, as an organization.

[Sir DeLoria]

espcily when pople champion the use of morality when dealing with those that have none

Like insurance companies, grrr...

[raging_monkey]

I am not speaking of a mage exterminationits is that is not a feasible solution, because as you said mages will keep to being born. All i am saying that for either side the be victorious the other side need to be destroyed, as an organization.

ahh now i see your view point. Got kinda muddled you mean as organizations not people.apologies

[Tenebrae]

Orsino: WHY DON'T THEY JUST DROWN US AT BIRTH!

Pro-Templar Forumites: GOOD IDEA!

 

:-)

 

And i am hardly pro-Templar, if anything i am a Tevinter fan and therefore a mage one.

 

And if the mages want to be free and to rule themselves, they will need to destroy the Templers as an organization, anything else will just mean that the whole thing is bound to happen again, and sooner rather then later.

[Steelcan]

i am aware of this but everytime i read mage v templars debates its a popular option

 

 

many popular opinions are bad

[Sir DeLoria]

I am not speaking of a mage exterminationits is that is not a feasible solution, because as you said mages will keep to being born.
 
All i am saying that for either side the be victorious the other side need to be destroyed, as an organization.

I'm not sure how organized the mage rebellion is and how much of an established organization they are though.

[Tenebrae]

Like insurance companies, grrr...

 

Oh god, if there were ever a group of people who needed to die in a precision meteor strike its those who invented the notion of insurance companies.