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[raging_monkey]

I'm not sure how organized the mage rebellion is and how much of an established organization they are though.

at best spilntier celled groups doing hit and runs, at worst a group magical bandits

[Tenebrae]

I'm not sure how organized the mage rebellion is and how much of an established organization they are though.

 

We honestly don't know, they could be very organized or barely organized, if they aren't then i guess my PC will need to organize them...'sigh' i can already feel the migraine coming.

 

But we can be certain the Templars are organized, and that should make it easier to chop off the head of their snake so to speak.

[Sir DeLoria]

We honestly don't know, they could be very organized or barely organized, if they aren't then i guess my PC will need to organize them...'sigh' i can already feel the migraine coming.
 
But we can be certain the Templars are organized, and that should make it easier to chop off the head of their snake so to speak.

Technically speaking yes, but since the Templars are made up of common folk, anyone can become a Templar and their knowledge is widely known, their order can be reinstituted at any time.

And that's not even counting the completely sepperate Tevinter Templar order.

[Willowhugger]

Technically speaking yes, but since the Templars are made up of common folk, anyone can become a Templar and their knowledge is widely known, their order can be reinstituted at any time.

And that's not even counting the completely sepperate Tevinter Templar order.

The Templars have a very special skill set which can be destroyed, however.

And that specific, grouping of Templars can be eradicated.

[Tenebrae]

Technically speaking yes, but since the Templars are made up of common folk, anyone can become a Templar and their knowledge is widely known, their order can be reinstituted at any time.

And that's not even counting the completely sepperate Tevinter Templar order.

 

The Templars as a profession need not be destroyed, but bent to a new rule.

 

Aye they can be rebuilt, but only once you destroy the current order then the new one can be build according to a mage mandate, like the one in Tevinter.

[Icy Magebane]

Are people forgetting how large Thedas is?  Let's forget about the fact that mages and Templars both exist in Tevinter, so those are beyond our reach... how is the Inquisition going to exterminate either faction across all of Thedas?  You're not going to be able to wipe out all of the lore on Templar abilities any more than you can prevent mages from being born...

[Tenebrae]

Are people forgetting how large Thedas is?  Let's forget about the fact that mages and Templars both exist in Tevinter, so those are beyond our reach... how is the Inquisition going to exterminate either faction across all of Thedas?  You're not going to be able to wipe out all of the lore on Templar abilities any more than you can prevent mages from being born...

 

Not across Theads no, but in Orlais, Ferelden and everywhere else you can travel, and then reconstruct the Templar order in those territories in accordance to what is present in Tevinter, where Templars are guards and hunters of abominations but nothing more, where they are under mage and chantry authority, the way it should be.

[Hibernating]

Why would anyone consider the Tevinter option a good one? Allowing the mages freedom allowed bloodmages to take over the country?

It's now a magocracy run on slaves. Exterminating mages at birth is preferable to that option, everything is preferable to that option

[raging_monkey]

Why would anyone consider the Tevinter option a good one? Allowing the mages freedom allowed bloodmages to take over the country?It's now a magocracy run on slaves. Exterminating mages at birth is preferable to that option, everything is preferable to that option

a bit extreme... i agree wholehearty that magoectacies are bad but lets be reasonable. That fear is what syarted this debacale

[Willowhugger]

Why would anyone consider the Tevinter option a good one? Allowing the mages freedom allowed bloodmages to take over the country?

It's now a magocracy run on slaves. Exterminating mages at birth is preferable to that option, everything is preferable to that option

That's sort of a false equivalence isn't it?

Fenris' logic is all mages will turn into Tevinter.

Versus "A country founded by Blood Mages and Dragon worshipers on slavery will revert to these habits."

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The issue is no matter what option we pick it will most certainly either be a localized agreement in and around the territory that we are in and whatever choice we make it will only end up being retconed in the next game to make one canon solution with the mages and Templars. You can't have the next game and all future games have such wide sweeping changes in the lore of magic in Thedas. You can't have one world where mages are free to run around and on where mages are trapped in the circle again you simply can't. No matter the devs will be the ones that make the final decision in this matter.

[raging_monkey]

Lets hope its a improved version of the current system

[Willowhugger]

The issue is no matter what option we pick it will most certainly either be a localized agreement in and around the territory that we are in and whatever choice we make it will only end up being retconed in the next game to make one canon solution with the mages and Templars. You can't have the next game and all future games have such wide sweeping changes in the lore of magic in Thedas. You can't have one world where mages are free to run around and on where mages are trapped in the circle again you simply can't. No matter the devs will be the ones that make the final decision in this matter.

 

That's why I came with the idea that either way, both groups will be dissolved and absorbed into the Inquisition.

Also, the "territory" we cover is the entirety of Thedas.

That's the whole thing being advertised with this game.

[pengwin21]

I think we really only cover Orlais/Ferelden in much detail though- I doubt something as key as resolving the mage/templar conflict would be an advisor mission.

[ShadowLordXII]

Any peace is doomed not to last.

 

The stigma against magic is too strong for everyone to be completely okay with mage freedom. At the same time, the mages won't be willing to go back under a system of oppression.

[rigron]

We honestly don't know, they could be very organized or barely organized, if they aren't then i guess my PC will need to organize them...'sigh' i can already feel the migraine coming.

 

But we can be certain the Templars are organized, and that should make it easier to chop off the head of their snake so to speak.

I have spoiled myself the books throught the wiki and, without spoling anything from there, I wouldn´t be so sure of any afirmation yet. So far in DA: Inquisition we know there are rogue Templars calling themselves Red Templars who are lyrium addicts who have developed some kind of madness (similar to Bartrand and Meredith?), use red lyrium fragments and even control red lyrium creatures and are fighting against common Templars, and for what we know from DA 2 and DA: Inquisition the Seekers of Truth and the Templars may not be working together anymore.

 

On the other hand, we know a lot of Circles of Mages have joined to fight for their freedom against templars, but amongs there are people with different views: those who simply want to cut ties with Chantry and Templars so there is not any organization holding a sword over their heads but still believe in the restrictions to mages lifestyle, people who simply want to live a life without that restrictions of the Circle of Mages (ie: getting married and having a family), people who prefer to isolate themselves from the common world and people who seeks to gain power by any measures (Blood Magic, Demons) and believe in the freedom at all cost, everyone fighting apparently on the same boat but with very opposite views of how magic and the mages should be regulated or not...

 

Nothing is confirmed yet, but I am sure that both groups are more or less in an equal situation when it comes to organization and problems within themselves.

[Willowhugger]

Any peace is doomed not to last.

 

The stigma against magic is too strong for everyone to be completely okay with mage freedom. At the same time, the mages won't be willing to go back under a system of oppression.

 

Peace is a lie.

There is only passion.

But my passion for peace is strong indeed.

 

:-)

[rigron]

I don´t think there should be a peaceful option when dealing with the Mages vs Templars war, I think there should be three options: Side with Mages and kill templars, side with Templars and kill/subdue mages or not side with anyone and kill both for the sake of the rest of the people.

 

After years of deaths on both sides and innocents caught in the crossfire, with the hatred for the opposite side growing in each side, I don´t think there should be a "ey guys, let´s hug and go for some beers" option.

 

Why would anyone consider the Tevinter option a good one? Allowing the mages freedom allowed bloodmages to take over the country?

It's now a magocracy run on slaves. Exterminating mages at birth is preferable to that option, everything is preferable to that option

I consider the Tevinter option a good one.

[Willowhugger]

Willowhugger's Theory on the Resolution

 

Option 1:] Side with the Templars

 

The Mages are defeated and the surviving Templars are incorporated into the Inquisition with all Mages now under the Inquisition's supervision.

 

Option 2:] Side with the Mages

 

The Templars are defeated and the surviving Mages are incorporated into the Inquisition with the Templar Order dissolved and dispersed. All Mages are now supervised by themselves with Inquisitior mages monitoring them.

 

Option 3:] Decimate both sides

 

Both sides are destroyed by the Inquisition's armies and their survivors incorporated into their armies ranks with neither having an organization anymore. All mages are either hedge mages or gathered up by the Inquisition/killed when they raise a ruckus from now on.

The ending will have some similarities regardless.

[wcholcombe]

Still think it is going to be splintered and fragmented groups we deal with and not some over arching association of mages or templars.  The red templars granted will be unified, but they will only be a segment, just as the templars in redcliff are another segment and the mages in redcliff are not all the mages.

 

They will get dealt with however you choose to deal with them, but I think long term resolution will be out of our hands.

 

Also, some people don't understand what Tevinter is and what Tevinter isn't.  To quote one David Gaider, " There's also the fact that the Tevinter magisters don't particularly like the idea of having foreign mages flooding into the Imperium and possibly becoming competitors-- they're not sympathetic to the plight of mages elsewhere. Remember that the magisters are at the top of the food chain there. For them it's a matter of political power.
Even if a foreign mage *was* able to get into the Imperium, that wouldn't automatically make them a magister. They might find that life among a pack of piranha at the bottom of their particular pile, while filled with much more "freedom" than they're used to, comes with its own... difficulties."

[wcholcombe]

Also, one last bit, just as not all Templars fled the chantry, I believe not all mages fled the circles as it were, or at least not the chantry. Viviene for example could in no way be called a rebel.

[Willowhugger]

Also, one last bit, just as not all Templars fled the chantry, I believe not all mages fled the circles as it were, or at least not the chantry. Viviene for example could in no way be called a rebel.

Man, I hope we get the option to give her a mouthful for that.

[wcholcombe]

Man, I hope we get the option to give her a mouthful for that.

And personally I hope that if she doesn't die at the very beginning we get to give Fiona and red headed maged murderer what for for their idiocy in Asunder.  Doubt it will happen on either account, just as I doubt I get to settle accounts with Lambert for his failings, but we shall see.

[SnakeCode]

And personally I hope that if she doesn't die at the very beginning we get to give Fiona and red headed maged murderer what for for their idiocy in Asunder.  Doubt it will happen on either account, just as I doubt I get to settle accounts with Lambert for his failings, but we shall see.

Oh I do so hope we can give Adrian the drawn out death she deserves.

[raging_monkey]

Oh I do so hope we can give Adrian the drawn out death she deserves.

rhys shouldve killed her. I get her ideals and even sympathize to an extent but when she greatly contributed to a unneeded war i lost all respect for her