rhys shouldve killed her. I get her ideals and even sympathize to an extent but when she greatly contributed to a unneeded war i lost all respect for her
Rhys actually speculates at one point that she could have been behind the assassination attempt and can't rule out that she may have been responsible.
rhys shouldve killed her. I get her ideals and even sympathize to an extent but when she greatly contributed to a unneeded war i lost all respect for her
I abore her methods but am glad the revolt happened.
I'm amazed at how much it took to spur the Circles to action.
Who suspected the Templars were behind the assassination attempt on the Divine? Wynne? Or was it someone else?
We know it happened before with Rise of the Seeker.
I abore her methods but am glad the revolt happened.
I'm amazed at how much it took to spur the Circles to action.Who suspected the Templars were behind the assassination attempt on the Divine? Wynne? Or was it someone else?
We know it happened before with Rise of the Seeker.
The length and manipulation that had to be gone to to stir the circles into revolting along with other circumstantial evidence and primary source accounts is why I believe strongly that the situation in the circles since DA2 is an outlier/aberration and that while mages might not have loved being in the towers, they weren't nearly as unhappy nor nearly as contentious with the templars until recently.
Which also leads me to believe somebody manipulated the situation and helped give the events involved a good shove.
Oh yes, I don't recall anyone in the book saying the Templars might have been behind the attempt, only someone saying that there had to be more involved then one rogue mage for him to get that close. Forum readers construed that to mean the templars, but I didn't think it was something that specific.
Case in point adri is a horrible person and i love redheads. But hers and anders are the reason why magi are hated
I dunno, aside from killing one ex-Abomination Tranquil, what did she do again? It's been awhile since I read Asunder.
The length and manipulation that had to be gone to to stir the circles into revolting along with other circumstantial evidence and primary source accounts is why I believe strongly that the situation in the circles since DA2 is an outlier/aberration and that while mages might not have loved being in the towers, they weren't nearly as unhappy nor nearly as contentious with the templars until recently.
Which also leads me to believe somebody manipulated the situation and helped give the events involved a good shove.
Oh yes, I don't recall anyone in the book saying the Templars might have been behind the attempt, only someone saying that there had to be more involved then one rogue mage for him to get that close. Forum readers construed that to mean the templars, but I didn't think it was something that specific.
Oh, I totally agree.
framed rhys, and helped incite a rebellionI dunno, aside from killing one ex-Abomination Tranquil, what did she do again? It's been awhile since I read Asunder.
Case in point adri is a horrible person and i love redheads. But hers and anders are the reason why magi are hated
I dunno, aside from killing one ex-Abomination Tranquil, what did she do again? It's been awhile since I read Asunder.
Framed an innocent man for said murder (a man who was supposedly her best friend no less) in order to manipulate him to fight a war that SHE wanted. Was ready to burn down a tavern filled with innocent bystanders because some people insulted mages if not for interference from her comrades.
Adrian disgusts me.
She's going down if I meet her in game.
unless i get reason to stay my hand i agreeAdrian disgusts me. She's going down if I meet her in game.
Mages are going down period in my playthrough 
All of them?
Knowing what i know about Z, the answer is a resounding yes, they will kneel or they will be knelt.
Same for me, but the roles will be reversed, the Templars will learn their proper place as a janitorial squad for the mages.
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I'm thinking something like in ME3 with the Geth and Quarians meaning that if one made the right choices there should be a peace option when handling the Mage-Templar war
I really don't want to side with one party because both have done terrible things and made mistakes (like with the Geth and Quarians) and I don't agree fully with either one of them
Anyone agree? What are you hoping for? I would rather have the option to tell both parties to go to hell instead of having to choose again (like at the end of DA2)
Mages are going down period in my playthrough
They shall submit or I will destroy them.
And personally I hope that if she doesn't die at the very beginning we get to give Fiona and red headed maged murderer what for for their idiocy in Asunder. Doubt it will happen on either account, just as I doubt I get to settle accounts with Lambert for his failings, but we shall see.
I'd like to meet Fiona and Adrian; they seem like interesting characters, and I don't disagree with the Libertarian position they supported in the narrative (and it's a position that was publicly supported by my Surana Warden when he asked for the emancipation of the Circle, which will hopefully be brought up during the narrative).
A post-Chantry controlled Circle outcome for the mages isn't something I'd condemn either one of them for, although I'm not certain how my Dalish, Dwarven, or Vashoth protagonist will respond to them in-character.
I'd like to meet Fiona and Adrian; they seem like interesting characters, and I don't disagree with the Libertarian position they supported in the narrative (and it's a position that was publicly supported by my Surana Warden when he asked for the emancipation of the Circle, which will hopefully be brought up during the narrative).
A post-Chantry controlled Circle outcome for the mages isn't something I'd condemn either one of them for, although I'm not certain how my Dalish, Dwarven, or Vashoth protagonist will respond to them in-character.
As I have said before, I don't fault their goals, mostly their method and timing. When you have a Divine who is obviously supporting reform and putting forward efforts to reform the circle and is extremely sympathetic to your cause, you don't go kicking dirt in her face by making the situation worse and antagonizing the templars. Seriously, the words alone of Justinia about mages were such a big deal that they reduced Adrian to tears of joy to hear, that isn't something you go throwing away because you want it now. You also don't go murdering the one man who has successfully reversed his tranquility(likely killing the one person who knew how to do it) and framing your best friend for it simply to manipulate the situation.
Sorry, I find their goals noble but themselves as individuals to be despicable.
As I have said before, I don't fault their goals, mostly their method and timing. When you have a Divine who is obviously supporting reform and putting forward efforts to reform the circle and is extremely sympathetic to your cause, you don't go kicking dirt in her face by making the situation worse and antagonizing the templars. Seriously, the words alone of Justinia about mages were such a big deal that they reduced Adrian to tears of joy to hear, that isn't something you go throwing away because you want it now. You also don't go murdering the one man who has successfully reversed his tranquility(likely killing the one person who knew how to do it) and framing your best friend for it simply to manipulate the situation.
Sorry, I find their goals noble but themselves as individuals to be despicable.
I suppose it's all subjective. If you don't think that the Circles of Magi should be under Chantry oversight, then Justinia's leadership doesn't necessarily make much of a difference. I don't begrudge Fiona for continuing to advocate a separation from the Chantry when she saw Chantry control as part of an injustice against her people, and I don't hate Adrian despite her betrayal of Rhys, particularly when my characters have worked with companions who have done far worse (from Leliana's nefarious deeds as a bard to Isabela drowning countless slaves to avoid being captured).
Adrian is going to have a nice cozy place on my mantle if i run into her.
Even if my PC isn't aware of her horrible, murderous, evil intended actions she is still a rebel.
And she will die like a rebel.
I still don't like her being named Adrian
I've only ever seen it as a guy's name, and not even one that can be used for both genders
I still don't like her being named Adrian
I've only ever seen it as a guy's name, and not even one that can be used for both genders
Agreed. The female version that I've seen used is "Adrienne." I've heard of many male Adrians but never a female.
Part 3 of my essay deals, in part, with how a negotiated settlement is needed.
http://unitedfederat...e-mages_75.html
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