They still have the bloody right of annulment!
Aka the rite where the Templars kill every living thing in the tower and destroy the circle completely!
The Rite is used at the whim of the Magisters, though. I think they'd only invoke on very, very high security threats. I was just saying that I think most of the Tevinter Circle mages know enough about demons to easily deal with abominations in house without needing to invoke the Rite.
This thread is full of people who think they would be on the winning side of "natural selection" in Thedas. Fantasy is wonderful I suppose.
Could be that the moderates die at the conference, leaving the extremists in charge.
*prays for anyone but Adrian to be left in charge of the mages*
Don't you think you're oversimplifying this? I mean, one line?
I even adressed this very argument in my previous post.
It only requires one line. It's a pretty simple concept. Mundanes and mages are only different because of one thing and that one thing is a massive advantage, Therefore I believe they are a superior species.
This thread is full of people who think they would be on the winning side of "natural selection" in Thedas. Fantasy is wonderful I suppose.
If "Mages" were the high end of natural selection, you figure genetics would promote it more.
But no, Magic appearing in a person is it self a magical event, it is caused by breeding apparently.
*prays for anyone but Adrian to be left in charge of the conflict
*hopes adrian is the only one in charge of the conflict*
I'm with others in that I want the support neither option, seriously. If I'm forced to pick a side I'm going to be frustrated as heck. I despise extremists with a passion.
@eluvianus rex: If Adrian is in charge of the mages - my decision will be SO simple. The woman is the reason Tranquility was invented.
If "Mages" were the high end of natural selection, you figure genetics would promote it more.
But no, Magic appearing in a person is it self a magical event, it is caused by breeding apparently.
That's the rules of the world, You have to admit magic is an advantage.
@eluvianus rex: If Adrian is in charge of the mages - my decision will be SO simple. The woman is the reason Tranquility was invented.
Yup, i mean crud in some of the pro mage people probably would support the templars!
That's the rules of the world, You have to admit magic is an advantage.
No more then being predisposed to be strong, quick or any other thing, Magic is just additional risk and training.
Good Warriors can be just as effective as a mage, and yet possess none of the drawbacks.
No more then being predisposed to be strong, quick or any other thing, Magic is just additional risk and training.
Good Warriors can be just as effective as a mage, and yet possess none of the drawbacks.
Avernus lived for over 200 years I doubt warriors can train to do that 
Aha, what does my post number have to do with anything? The statement was about evidence between Templar and Guards. Not Templars and Mages. Kirkwall extreme situation or not showed that under strict Templar leadership it is more likely for Templars to abuse their power than city guards.
Two things:
1-In order to use Kirkwall as an example, you'd first have to prove that there were more incidents of abuse of power within the Templars than within the City Guard.
Both had rapists in their ranks and both has corrupt leaders altough Meredith honestly sought to protect people while the Guard Captain before Aveline was sacrificing his people to deliver info to the gangs.
2-If you did manage to prove that, it still wouldn't be valid because we should compare a city where the Knight Commander effectivelly took over with one where the Guard Captain did rather than compare Templars and guards operating under different circunstances which would, naturally, affect their behavior.
Could be that the moderates die at the conference, leaving the extremists in charge.
I'd hope they wouldn't subject us to a repeat of DA2 Act 3 as one of the earliest arcs in the game.
No one deserves to survive that's the case.
I thought I heard that David Gaider disliked that there was a peace option between Geth and Quarians. I wouldn't expect there to be one in DAI. The most I feel I would want to hope for is to have the option to defeat the otherside without excessive brutality (as in a chance to accept a surrender).
It only requires one line. It's a pretty simple concept. Mundanes and mages are only different because of one thing and that one thing is a massive advantage, Therefore I believe they are a superior species.
If it were that cut and dry, don't you think Tevinter would have reclaimed some of their former glory by now? All they do is sit around casting spells and breeding stronger magisters, yet they haven't been able to defeat the Qunari in 500 years of war and have yet to retake any of their old territory on the mainland... The history of Thedas has proven that magical ability does not inherently make an individual superior to others. It certainly isn't doing the Tevinter any favors, and they will do just about anything to maximize their individual power...
Also. If anything, mages are not weak, quite the contrary. How the f you can call someone "weak" if you know they've been tempted all their lives and they didn't give in to it? They're stronger than most humans because of the demons, they withstand more crap and still most of them don't end up possessed.
It only requires one line. It's a pretty simple concept. Mundanes and mages are only different because of one thing and that one thing is a massive advantage, Therefore I believe they are a superior species.
But I've already given you examples of normals who are superior to mages and there's also the simple fact that normal humans rule the world, not mages.
An advantage it is but magic does not equal instant superiority.
I thought I heard that David Gaider disliked that there was a peace option between Geth and Quarians. I wouldn't expect there to be one in DAI. The most I feel I would want to hope for is to have the option to defeat the otherside without excessive brutality (as in to accept a surrender).
Well I doubt we'll have the option to completely obliterate one of the sides. I can dream though.
If it were that cut and dry, don't you think Tevinter would have reclaimed some of their former glory by now? All they do is sit around casting spells and breeding stronger magisters, yet they haven't been able to defeat the Qunari in 500 years of war and have yet to retake any of their old territory on the mainland... The history of Thedas has proven that magical ability does not inherently make an individual superior to others. It certainly isn't doing the Tevinter any favors, and they will do just about anything to maximize their individual power...
Not really, sadly mages are a minority at this point.
Hopefully not.
There should be choices and consequence for your action. Either mages become free of the circle or the templars regain control. There can be no compromise!
But I've already given you examples of normals who are superior to mages and there's also the simple fact that normal humans rule the world, not mages.
An advantage it is but magic does not equal instant superiority.
It certainly increases the chance of superiority then.
I thought I heard that David Gaider disliked that there was a peace option between Geth and Quarians. I wouldn't expect there to be one in DAI. The most I feel I would want to hope for is to have the option to defeat the otherside without excessive brutality (as in a chance to accept a surrender).
Well, Shepard did end a 300 year old ethnic and territorial dispute by yelling through an intercom.
Who can defend that?
Not really, sadly mages are a minority at this point.
Minority? Based on what you're been saying, the average mage is worth at least a hundred "mundanes." How can you then use small numbers as an excuse for Tevinter's lack of success and progress?
Two things:
1-In order to use Kirkwall as an example, you'd first have to prove that there were more incidents of abuse of power within the Templars than within the City Guard.
Both had rapists in their ranks and both has corrupt leaders altough Meredith honestly sought to protect people while the Guard Captain before Aveline was sacrificing his people to deliver info to the gangs.
2-If you did manage to prove that, it still wouldn't be valid because we should compare a city where the Knight Commander effectivelly took over with one where the Guard Captain did rather than compare Templars and guards operating under different circunstances which would, naturally, affect their behavior.
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