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[Pierce Miller]

So? He still hates them and considers them a threat. 

Because every time Fenris mentions mages he gets blinded by rage.

[Pierce Miller]

Not once has Fenris underestimated the power of mages.  If anything, I'd be more willing to believe that fear and mistrust cause him to overestimate their abilities.  If he says that the Qunari have the advantage, I see no reason to believe he would lie or miscalculate.

If they had the advantage then they'd go on the offensive, I've never thought of Qunari as lazy.

[J-Reyno]

I'm thinking something like in ME3 with the Geth and Quarians meaning that if one made the right choices there should be a peace option when handling the Mage-Templar war

I really don't want to side with one party because both have done terrible things and made mistakes (like with the Geth and Quarians) and I don't agree fully with either one of them

Anyone agree? What are you hoping for? I would rather have the option to tell both parties to go to hell instead of having to choose again (like at the end of DA2)

 

I agree, I like how that was handled in ME3.  I'll be looking for a moderate solution.  Failing that, I will destroy them all.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Pierce Miller: "Little more"  there's only a handful of spells in the Creation school not meant to amplify combat. 

 

And three other schools almost exclusively devoted to it.

 

Laugh away.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Because every time Fenris mentions mages he gets blinded by rage.

 

That doesn't mean he would be especially prone to underestimate their abilities . If anything he would was prone to overestimating the threat mages and magisters pose.

[Pierce Miller]

@Pierce Miller: "Little more"  there's only a handful of spells in the Creation school not meant to amplify combat. 

 

And three other schools almost exclusively devoted to it.

 

Laugh away.

There's countless spells used in the game for story only that have nothing to do with destruction. If you believe that then you've been taken in by the chantry propaganda in the game

[Pierce Miller]

That doesn't mean he would be especially prone to underestimate their abilities . If anything he would was prone to overestimating the threat mages and magisters pose.

Qunari would never sit idle and pretend they're equally matched, They don't play games. So if they could win then they would. 

[Icy Magebane]

If they had the advantage then they'd go on the offensive, I've never thought of Qunari as lazy.

Conquering Tevinter is one thing, but I doubt that they are willing to deal with the response from every other human nation should they make a move like that.  The Qunari are biding their time.  Mark my words, when they invade, Tevinter will be the first nation to fall.  Well, possibly Rivain since they have a philosophical foothold there, but this is getting off-topic as it is...

 

The point is that the Tevinters have endured 500 years of aggression by a technologically advanced race that views mages as artillery.  If trained mages were truly superior to "mundanes," then they would have done something more than simply defend.  They should have at least conquered Seheron by now, as this would give them some breathing room to focus on fortifying the infrastructure and possibly conquering some of the inferior mundane nations along their borders.

[Pierce Miller]

Conquering Tevinter is one thing, but I doubt that they are willing to deal with the response from every other human nation should they make a move like that.  The Qunari are biding their time.  Mark my words, when they invade, Tevinter will be the first nation to fall.  Well, possibly Rivain since they have a philosophical foothold there, but this is getting off-topic as it is...

 

The point is that the Tevinters have endured 500 years of aggression by a technologically advanced race that views mages as artillery.  If trained mages were truly superior to "mundanes," then they would have done something more than simply defend.  They should have at least conquered Seheron by now, as this would give them some breathing room to focus on fortifying the infrastructure and possibly conquering some of the inferior mundane nations along their borders.

The fact that they've managed to defend against the Qunari is by itself an achievement that no other country in Thedas could've accomplished.

[Hellion Rex]

Because every time Fenris mentions mages he gets blinded by rage.

Funny. He doesn't seem blinded by rage when he's making out with my mage Garrett Hawke

[Pierce Miller]

Funny. He doesn't seem blinded by rage when he's making out with my mage Garrett Hawke

Lust overcomes hate, The idea of a mage romancing Fenris makes no sense.

[The Baconer]

Since this is the actual topic, I'm going to go ahead and give my opinion... I agree with this wholeheartedly.  While it may be nice to propose a variety of possible solutions, I think that in the end, the mages will either need to be convinced to go back to the Circle or they will be allowed to continue about their business.  In the long run, the Inquisition has no authority to enforce policy changes on the Templars.  Unless we actively take over for them or personally oversee them in some capacity, it will really come down to putting them back in charge and hoping for the best.  If that's not good enough, the mages will go off and do their thing, and we'll again have to hope for the best...

 

I just have a hard time picturing long-term control over either group after we make our initial declaration of support... what they do with our help is going to be up to them in the future.

 

Consequence? This either-or scenario is to grant total vindication to one of two groups of incompetent children, how's that for consequence?

 

I'd sooner throw them all in mass graves, and Thedas would be much better off.

[TheJediSaint]

Funny. He doesn't seem blinded by rage when he's making out with my mage Garrett Hawke

Sexy rage?

[Icy Magebane]

The fact that they've managed to defend against the Qunari is by itself an achievement that no other country in Thedas could've accomplished.

Only because we disagree on the purpose behind the Qunari attacks... depending on whether they are harassing them to keep Tevinter unstable and weak, or whether they are simply in capable of conquering Tevinter, it can be seen either way.  I simply do not believe the Qunari are so reckless that they are willing to engage in a prolonged war at this time.  The evidence does not support them taking unnecessary risks or doing anything without a reason, so I must assume this is part of their long term strategy.

[Hellion Rex]

Lust overcomes hate, The idea of a mage romancing Fenris makes no sense.

Makes perfect sense. It was a healing relationship between the two. It was very well written by Gaider.

[AresKeith]

The fact that they've managed to defend against the Qunari is by itself an achievement that no other country in Thedas could've accomplished.

 

The Qunari aren't even putting their effort into it

[Icy Magebane]

Consequence? This either-or scenario is to grant total vindication to one of two groups of incompetent children, how's that for consequence?

 

I'd sooner throw them all in mass graves, and Thedas would be much better off.

If you kill them all, who is going to help you fight the demons?  If "neither" is an option, then it's probably the first step towards the "demons win" ending.

[MisterJB]

The chantry already has all the propaganda it needs.

Yep, mages keep providing the people with reasons to be afraid.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, Shepard did end a 300 year old ethnic and territorial dispute by yelling through an intercom.

Who can defend that?

 

Qurian: "drivel home world drivel drivel"

 

Geth: "1010101001101"

 

Shepard: "Hey you two! Shut up!"

[Pierce Miller]

The Qunari aren't even putting their effort into it

Sure 

[Pierce Miller]

Yep, mages keep providing the people with reasons to be afraid.

Exactly, they should be afraid of their new overlords.

[The Baconer]

If you kill them all, who is going to help you fight the demons?

 

The standing armies of all the nations who are grateful for having these roving brigands removed.

[Master Warder Z_]

Exactly, they should be afraid of their new overlords.

 

You keep reciting that same old BS despite history telling you it doesn't work, Tevinter won because it was an empire surrounded by unorganized barbarian rabble, it survived a blight, but never fought another society, but when it did? when it met organized resistance it faltered.

 

And it has never recovered.

[Pierce Miller]

You keep reciting that same old BS despite history telling you it doesn't work, Tevinter won because it was an empire surrounded by unorganized barbarian rabble, it survived a blight, but never fought another society, but when it did? when it met organized resistance it faltered.

 

And it has never recovered.

Still exists doesn't it? Even though practically every nation in Thedas opposes it it still exists.

[MisterJB]

Exactly, they should be afraid of their new overlords.

Scared people don't submit.

Scared people destroy the source of the fear.