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[Hydwn]

The forums are rightly excited about the first taste of Skyhold.  There are other threads for that, though.  What intrigued me was this little bit from the article:

 

"You don’t start the game with Skyhold as your base of operations. For the early part of the adventure – before the Inquisition is even properly formed – you and your allies gather at the village of Haven."

 

So now we know we're going back.  Any guesses of what we'll find there, ten years after the Wardens' visit?  Will the chantry have cleared out the cultists for the tourists?  Will the chantry's presence depend on whether you spared Kolgrim or not?  Will the Inquisition's first duty be to clear out a group of bloodthirsty fanatics, or will Kolgrim and his Reavers still be there?*

 

Most importantly, will we get to read the tombstones and be treated to creepy poetry again?

 

Seriously, though, that brief scene had excellent atmosphere, and that village stuck with me.  Any thoughts on what it might be now?

 

*I know.  The chantry does good work - I've read the thread.  The joke was just too tempting though.

[AlexiaRevan]

Let's hope it doesn't have another dragon resident  Just for once I like to come to a stronghold and say 'Home sweet Home' without having to kick out squatter !

[Yggdrasil]

Don't forget the creepy kid.  Creepy kids freak me out.

 

I was also fascinated to hear that Haven was our initial base of operations, and I think it'll be cool.  Regardless of the choices the Warden made, the Chantry would have made it a Chantry enclave as soon as news of the temple leaked out.  (Someone else pointed out that, once it was found, someone would have blabbed eventually.)  But it must have been neutral (or maybe just remote) enough for the mages to agree to meet there.

[AlexiaRevan]

 

 

"Come, come, bonny Lynne; tell us, tell us where you've been
Were you up, were you down
Chasing rabbits ‘round the town
Come, come, bonny Lynne; tell us, tell us where you've been
Come, come, bonny Lynne; we've a bed to put you in
It is soft, it is warm
It will shelter from the storm
Come, come, bonny Lynne; we've a bed to put you in
Dear, dear bonny Lynne sleeps the peaceful crib within
A mossy stone, a finger bone
No one knows but Lynne alone
Dear, dear bonny Lynne sleeps the peaceful crib within"

Right...if he wasn't killed . He may have a stand selling bones of Andraste to the chantry 

[LobselVith8]

Based on the Reaver in MP, it would seem Haven has been cleared of the Disciples of Andraste (by Chantry forces).

[raging_monkey]

There was no peaceful way to get brother gen from there which resulted in fight... i wonder how the villagers are doing

[Hydwn]

Based on the Reaver in MP, it would seem Haven has been cleared of the Disciples of Andraste (by Chantry forces).

 

I missed that - I hadn't even realized MP characters had their own backstories.  Good catch.

 

So maybe Haven's like a Chantry theme park now...?  Do you think they pretend nothing bad every happened there, or play it up for the tourists?

[Chanda]

I never killed the dragon, and I didn't tell Brother G about the ashes, but I did clear out the cultists, sooo... Might have a little issue there.

[BabyFratelli]

Hopefully Eirik's body is still there. Pretty sure I slaughtered the villagers as well. I wonder how the people living there feel about my Warden, if there are people living there at all. 

[LobselVith8]

I missed that - I hadn't even realized MP characters had their own backstories.  Good catch.

 

So maybe Haven's like a Chantry theme park now...?  Do you think they pretend nothing bad every happened there, or play it up for the tourists?

 

Quite possibly. Even if the Warden kills the members of the Disciples of Andraste who attack, not everyone dies, since the survivors mourn the fallen by the water afterwards; that would explain why the Reaver, Tamar, is available as a multi-player character, no matter what your former protagonist did in Haven. I imagine the Chantry forces likely executed the people in Haven, given Tamar's backstory:

 

Spoiler

Tamar is a fearsome warrior. She developed her abilities by consuming dragon blood. One of the cultists living in Haven, she escaped the Chantry by fleeing into the mountains. Tamar was later captured by agents of the Inquisition and was given a choice: to serve or die. Execution in captivity would have been shameful. She'd rather die in battle; the blood of her enemies on her sword and a warcry on her lips.

[Gikia-Kimikia]

Keeping in mind that, regardless our actions in Origins, the initial Chantry-sanctioned Mage-Templar conference happens at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? And that sort of ends with death-by-fire on a massive scale? I'm assuming Haven isn't exactly "bustling" with cultists, villagers, pilgrims, or anyone else for that matter. If it was before the Inquisitor got there, it certainly isn't AFTER. They'd be stuck building from the ground up, practically.

 

I get the feeling that, if you DID let Genitivi spread the good word, Haven really does become a gigantic religious tourist attraction, making the scale of the destruction that happens at the beginning of the game just that much more horrible. Alternatively, if you didn't tell him about the ashes and you didn't kill the dragon and so forth, eventually the Chantry follows Genitivi's bread crumbs and finds the Temple and the Ashes ANYWAY, and then probably slay the dragon with an unreasonable number of casualties, because she was a tough old girl.

 

That aside, I don't see much hope for many surviving cultist villagers with the White Chantry presence being what it is. My money's on them going all "Mini Exalted March" on them.

[General TSAR]

The surviving cult would have no doubt been executed for their crimes and for being heretics by the Chantry, that much is certain.

 

Don't know about the village itself, maybe turned into a fortification? 

[thats1evildude]

Alternatively, if you didn't tell him about the ashes and you didn't kill the dragon and so forth, eventually the Chantry follows Genitivi's bread crumbs and finds the Temple and the Ashes ANYWAY, and then probably slay the dragon with an unreasonable number of casualties, because she was a tough old girl.

Or the dragon just disappears. It is a dragon, after all. It can fly anywhere it wants.

[Hydwn]

Keeping in mind that, regardless our actions in Origins, the initial Chantry-sanctioned Mage-Templar conference happens at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? And that sort of ends with death-by-fire on a massive scale? I'm assuming Haven isn't exactly "bustling" with cultists, villagers, pilgrims, or anyone else for that matter. If it was before the Inquisitor got there, it certainly isn't AFTER. They'd be stuck building from the ground up, practically.

 

I get the feeling that, if you DID let Genitivi spread the good word, Haven really does become a gigantic religious tourist attraction, making the scale of the destruction that happens at the beginning of the game just that much more horrible. Alternatively, if you didn't tell him about the ashes and you didn't kill the dragon and so forth, eventually the Chantry follows Genitivi's bread crumbs and finds the Temple and the Ashes ANYWAY, and then probably slay the dragon with an unreasonable number of casualties, because she was a tough old girl.

 

That aside, I don't see much hope for many surviving cultist villagers with the White Chantry presence being what it is. My money's on them going all "Mini Exalted March" on them.

 

That actually seems to have been the case from the source linked above - the exalted march part at least.

 

On the map, Haven looks surprisingly far from the temple.  It's uncomfortably close to the rift, but I'm guessing it could have survived the initial cataclysm.

[DuskWanderer]

Still want that creepy kid.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I liked the feel and aesthetic of Haven, even in DA:O's engine. Looking at it in Frostbite is going to be awesome.

[Han Shot First]

If there are any dragon cultists still alive in Haven there won't be shortly after the Inquisitor arrives.

[KC_Prototype]

It be cool to really see our decisions take affect on how the village is. Like who's there and it's history. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Still want that creepy kid.

 

He is now a moderately creepy man!

[Al Foley]

I can see it being really run down obviously.  I guess that depends on whether or not you wiped out Kolgrim's sect again but I doubt the Chantry has moved into the village itself.  Even to set up shop for the peace summit.  They will likely be run down buildings, dust, snow drifts, and no population.  Probably one of the many reasons you want to head for the Skyhold. 

[Wolfen09]

i wouldnt be surprised if the chantry folk came and rebuilt the village...  i dont know if they said anything about where skyhold is, i think we speculated that its in the dales, but it would be cool if it was built on the remains of the temple of ashes...  As for haven itself, yeah secretly my warden came back after defeating the archdemon and cleansed it with fire....  the town and its residents.... you know after murdering them the first time

[Magdalena11]

Man, that town is creepy.  I went back for the first time recently, and got yelled at by the villagers, and read the tombstones of all the people I killed, and felt a bit bummed, tbh.  I'd never gone back before.  It was get the ashes, take them to Eamon, done.  I'm actually glad to be able to go back and have some closure.  I'm fairly certain that, as with most stuff my warden did, I'll wind up paying for it, but it is nice to know.  I always thought Bonny Lynne was a dog.  I suppose it still could be, but it's a creepy dog.  Probably no worse than Lord Rendall (?), my son, though (a folk song half-remembered from childhood).

[General TSAR]

I liked the feel and aesthetic of Haven,

 

Man, that town is creepy.  

X2, it was like something out of The Hills have Eyes on Thedas.

 

 

Very creepy and uncomfortable, like the Primeval Dwarven Ruins.

 

 

 - Rest In Peace my friend. sign Dwarf Warden 

 

Being a nutcase aside, he sure was charismatic. 

[wcholcombe]

I posted this in another thread, but I am convinced that Haven is your base that gets destroyed by the big bad when he tries to kill you thus necessitating you moving on to Sky Hold.

 

It was mentioned in an article and several pieces of artwork show the Inquisitor in the middle of a burning base.  Discussions had previously assumed that was skyhold.