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[TheClonesLegacy]

There was a DVD set.

Why yes. Mine is signed by Bruce Timm.

Also Mask of the Phantasm.

[ManOfSteel]

There was a DVD set.

Why yes. Mine is signed by Bruce Timm.

Also Mask of the Phantasm.

I don't think it ever got a Region 2 release, unfortunately. Here's where I'm wrong and if I am, I will go and buy it right now. 

 

Also: That's awesome.

[TheClonesLegacy]

If there's one thing I've liked so far in Gotham, it's a scene where Bruce Wayne is adamant about donating money for clothes to homeless kids.

Because that's understanding the character (Poor Bullock, they really didn't understand you)

The opposite of your paragraph.

 

Bruce does just as much for Gotham as his father, as well as being Batman. Which ultimately works as far as I'm concerned, Bats covers everywhere in Gotham but he is limited by being one man, which is why the Bat Family is important to remember NOLAN!

*Cough*

As far as crime in Gotham goes. You're aware it's 99% controlled right?

Falcone

The Penguin

Black Mask

The Jokers

The Court of Owls

and etc,

Gotham is run by its gangs and organizations. So Batmans work isn't exactly trivial, it's helping eliminate the corruption. Even if little by little.

The fact that it never ends is a topic brought up in multiple Batman stories. But it's shown a Gotham without Batman (The Dark Knight Returns, Batman Beyond) is worse off without him.

 

If Bats was so conservative, he wouldn't do anything. Gotham was crime controlled long before mommy and daddy got shot.

It's the ruling system. See what I'm getting at?

[Milan92]

I like Batman far more than Superman. Batman is flawed and in a way, insane. I mean, who would really spend money like that on gadgets and gear to dress up like a bat each night?

But thats what makes him awesome and interesting.

Superman feels too perfect for my taste.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Gotham? You mean the new TV show? Haven't seen it.

 

Being conservative doesn't mean he wouldn't do anything. He's still a good guy. I just don't think he makes sweeping changes. He doesn't seem to target blue-collar types either (unlike Oliver Queen, who always goes after them. He's more of a "Fight the System" type. Same goes with Batman's difference with Ras or Talia Al Ghul in the movies).

He does though.

I did mention The Court of Owls for a reason.

But when you got crazy clowns poisoning the water supply, you have to take it in perspective "Do I save millions of people? Or do I punch out corrupt bureaucrats?"

 

Also most people haven't seen Gotham...it's an ok show.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I'll get around to it hopefully (I usually wait for things to come on netflix.. so maybe it'll come sooner or later).

That's my mentality with Arrow.

[Colaman172]

Have this!

[TheRealJayDee]

Man of Steel is my favourite Superman movie, but that's saying just as much -if not more- about my not so positive feelings towards all the live action Supes movies so far than it does about the movie itself, as it also claimed the title of 'most disappointing superhero movie of 2013' for me. There was promise, though, and I had hopes for a sequel. A movie about Superman actually being Superman. 

 

I dislike pretty much every big casting choice we got for BvS, but I'm willing to be proven wrong by Ben, Jesse and Gal. I also dislike what seems to be the direction the movie is taking. TDKR is a comic I like a lot, but as any kind of an inspiration for the first ever big screen meeting of Clark and Bruce it's just completely and utterly wrong imo. I just don't see much appeal in a conflict between the two in general, and going all "I want you to remember the one man who beat you" on the first date? Nah.

 

I watched the first two episodes of Gotham, and while there are things I like I just don't see me making it through the whole season. I just don't really see a point to this show. 

 

Justice League: War was just really bad, and made all the Leaguers look like assholes, idiots or both. Son of Batman (aka 'Ninjas with Bazookas') was great as soon as we started to watch it as a comedy (which was within the first minutes). Assault on Arkham was fun, but had questionable Batman parts.

 

 

 

All in all I'm not exactly having too great a time with DC properties at the moment, which saddens me, because Batman and Superman have been deciding the competition for the top spot on my 'favourite superhero' list between themselves for quite a few years now (sorry, Wolverine and Spidey, you had your days in the sun ^^). It simply shouldn't be that at any time a show like Arrow manages to be the only DC thing to positively surprise me and get me excited. 

 

I'd say I'm only a little tired of the characters by now, but I'd seriously love to repeat a thing from a few years back when I watched selected episodes of Batman and Superman TAS followed by the complete Justice League/JL Unlimited with a friend. As far as I'm concerned the adaptations of the DC characters pretty much peaked with the DCAU/Timmverse. Which is why I always wished they'd given those guys some influence on the growing DCCU.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Have this!

*Insert reference to Harley Quinn here*

[TheRealJayDee]

The new movie is based on TKDR? That is weird, I agree.

 

I see that story as meant as sort of an "inside story" for old FANs, when Miller wrote it. As a way to revisit old characters everyone was familiar with (and to put his new spin on it).

 

Not good for introductory material though. I think you have to get acquainted with their relationship more before you bring it into conflict. 

 

 

I have to say that the first Superman movie is still one of my favorites (Christopher Reeve especially was great casting for both Supes and Clark Kent). It's a little cheesy now, but still maintains what makes Superman so popular. It's a classic.

 

Not exactly 'based on', I guess, but definitely 'influenced by', going by things that are being said about it. And this was the way they chose to introduce the whole thing in the first place:

 

To me the following scene is pretty much the perfect representation of how I'd like an initial Batman/Superman confrontation to play out:

 

 

Beyond that I just don't find any fight between them interesting. If Superman wins it's not much of a surprise because he's basically a god. If Batman wins it's not much of surprise because he's the incredibly resourceful human fighting the seemingly invincible alien (also he's Batman, and everyone knows Batman can beat everybody if the writers wish it so). Also unless either of them was willing to kill the other there is not much of a point to it anyways, and who really wants to see that?

 

The only result of a fight with a clear winner would be the internet drowning in annoying fans of the winning character making fun of the other character's fans. A fight without a winner would likely be a pointless repetition of the old 'heroes meet and fight each other before joining forces' trope. I don't know how they will present this thing in a way I find interesting. Maybe the winner gets the first solo sequel? Maybe the winner is allowed to call himself leader of the Justice League? Maybe the winner is allowed to ask Wonder Woman out on a date?

 

 

 

And I definitely respect the first Superman movie for what it did for the genre, and Reeve did a really good job. Somehow I don't manage to connect to the movie(s) at all though, maybe it's because I haven't really watched them until I was older. It's kind of weird that nonetheless the John Williams theme is by far my favourite superhero theme. 

[TheClonesLegacy]

To me the following scene is pretty much the perfect representation of how I'd like an initial Batman/Superman confrontation to play out:

 

That whole three-parter should be reviewed if you're working on a film like BvS.

 

But it also helps that Conroy and Daley play well off each other.

[Milan92]

Green Lantern's greatest quote ever.

 

To Superman.

 

"Man. For somebody with like fifty different kinds of vision, you are so blind."

 

Loving Justice League Unlimited 

[Milan92]

So, out of curiosity I watched Justice League: War since the animation looked great.

 

Dear god, that movie was awful. I mean, the animation was indeed beautiful, but the characters and dialogue was just..... never again.

[Milan92]

Its a shame what they did with Superman. While I'm not his biggest fan, I really like him in Justice League Animation. In War he was just a douchbag. Also Wonder Woman was very unlikable here.

Son of Batman involves Damian Wayne, never been a fan of that kid, so I think you're right

[In Exile]

So, out of curiosity I watched Justice League: War since the animation looked great.

 

Dear god, that movie was awful. I mean, the animation was indeed beautiful, but the characters and dialogue was just..... never again.

 

It stole a lot out of the new 52 JL introduction by Grant Morrison. I thought there were parts that were pretty good. JL:War missed the point of superman and wonder woman, but then a lot of people miss the point of those characters. Especially in modern reboots. The only exception I can think of really is JMS in Earth One for Superman. Some ridiculousness aside, he really nailed what a reboot of superman for the 21st century should be like. 

[Il Divo]

 

I like Superman more though because he comes off less class conscious. He at least tries to help everyone equally. Batman seems to only protect the middle and upper classes of Gotham. He upholds the idea of Order to the point that he doesn't tackle systematic injustice. He does nothing to rectify the poor in his city (like his dad did in the films). In the end, all he does is engage a bunch of disgruntled poor or disenfranchised, who turned to crime. He can beat them down all day, but it never really ends.

 

I think that's less about Batman being ultra conservative and more about fighting criminals giving Batman that "thrill" of getting back at them. Granted he may not kill his enemies, but to a large extent, this is about vengeance for Bruce Wayne. It's his own personal way of getting back at the ones who've hurt him. 

 

That said, reading the comics, there are also a few instances where Bruce does attempt to commission reforms and enact change to make everyone's lives a bit better. I'd have dig through them though to recall specifically. 

[Greenface21]

While JL: War and Son of Batman were pretty bad, Assault on Arkham was actually good, but that might just be because I am less familiar with the Suicide Squad.

 

Throne of Atlantis looks interesting so far. Though it looks like the production team is going to tweak the original story a bit. It's good to see Nathan Fillion back as Green Lantern and hopefully Rosario Dawson can voice a better Wonderwoman.