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Constantine is a good show but the first episode has some pacing problems. I tend to like my supernatural/occult entertainment to be a bit slower on the build up.  It was probably because writers were rushed to rework episode after that Liv actress was replaced.

 

I'd go:

1. Flash

2. Arrow

3. Gotham

4. Constantine 

 

I have no interest in either Flash or Arrow, but just based off of the pilots I would rate Constantine higher than Gotham.

 

I like Gotham, but the quality of each episode seems to constantly change. 

 

While Constantine's pacing was fast the episode was still pretty solid.



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Yeah I realize I am probably in the minority when I say Gotham overall quality is pretty good. The acting can go over the top and the writers don't know how to be subtle with the batman easter eggs but I stay glued. They did surprise me with Venom this week. I like how the show is addressing the super-powered aspect of the DC universe instead of nolan-izing. 

 

I am not all that impressed with Constantine, because frankly, it feels like a watered down version of Supernatural (strictly talking about the first few seasons). Which sucks, especially when Constantine has a much larger budget.  Hopefully that will change as more episodes come out.


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Big DC movie news. Warner Bros. has officially announced a number of DC movies.

 

And, in a massive expansion of the Studio’s DC Entertainment-branded content, Warner Bros. Pictures and New Line Cinema will release a slate of at least 10 movies—as well as stand-alone Batman and Superman films—from 2016 through 2020 that expands this prized universe of characters:

  • “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice,” directed by Zack Snyder (2016)
  • “Suicide Squad,” directed by David Ayer (2016)
  • “Wonder Woman,” starring Gal Gadot (2017)
  • “Justice League Part One,” directed by Zack Snyder, with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill and Amy Adams reprising their roles (2017)
  • “The Flash,” starring Ezra Miller (2018)
  • “Aquaman,” starring Jason Momoa (2018)
  • “Shazam” (2019)
  • “Justice League Part Two,” directed by Zack Snyder (2019)
  • “Cyborg,” starring Ray Fisher (2020)
  • “Green Lantern” (2020)

 

This is all going to be a disaster, especially following up Bats v. Supes with Suicide Squad of all things, but I want it to survive long enough so that I can see how dark, gritty and depressing a Shazam DC movie can be - we can take turns guessing whether it'll feature obscene levels of child abuse or if they just age up Billy Batson. 



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Yeah I realize I am probably in the minority when I say Gotham overall quality is pretty good. The acting can go over the top and the writers don't know how to be subtle with the batman easter eggs but I stay glued. They did surprise me with Venom this week. I like how the show is addressing the super-powered aspect of the DC universe instead of nolan-izing. 

 

I am not all that impressed with Constantine, because frankly, it feels like a watered down version of Supernatural (strictly talking about the first few seasons). Which sucks, especially when Constantine has a much larger budget.  Hopefully that will change as more episodes come out.

 

It is, but sometimes the stories just end up fizzling out. Arkham comes to mind.



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This is all going to be a disaster, especially following up Bats v. Supes with Suicide Squad of all things, but I want it to survive long enough so that I can see how dark, gritty and depressing a Shazam DC movie can be - we can take turns guessing whether it'll feature obscene levels of child abuse or if they just age up Billy Batson. 

 

It makes prefect sense to follow up BvS with SS.  DC needs to differentiate itself from Marvel and it's a race to see who can do what first. So why not follow up Justice League with the first villain focused movie?  As for Shazam, i think DC has already come out and said it will have a different and more humorous tone compared to the rest of the DCU. 



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Spirit of the Goat was the first Gotham episode that was really good. Looks like it's starting to hit it's stride.


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Spirit of the Goat was the first Gotham episode that was really good. Looks like it's starting to hit it's stride.

 

Spirit of the Goat was good but Penguin's umbrella topped it by leaps and bounds. The twist at the end caught me off guard. Every villain had a strong performance, even Fish.  If they can keep up this quality I can see this show beating Flash.


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Spirit of the Goat was good but Penguin's umbrella topped it by leaps and bounds. The twist at the end caught me off guard. Every villain had a strong performance, even Fish.  If they can keep up this quality I can see this show beating Flash.

 

I agree. Penguin's Umbrella hit all the right notes. It felt like watching Brian De Palma's Untouchables from the crime side of things in a Pre-Batman Gotham. If this continues... Hot Damn!


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From the Marvel thread: 

 

 

 

DKR doesn't work with an outcast superman without batman being the fascist stooge. Even if they try to play him up as the rebel, he's still standing in for government authority because of what he'd hold supes to account for in terms of metropolis.

It's like doing a kingdom come version with this MOS supes. It doesn't work.

 

I'd like to continue this in the DC thread. I kind of see your point. But MoS Supes wasn't really Supes. It was Clark Kent in Kryptonian battle raiment. The Batman I hope they're going with is Batman is just an 'urban myth' used to scare criminals straight in Gotham City. Bruce Wayne sees two aliens level 1/3 of a city in a one-on-one scrap he's going to use his billions of dollars worth of Wayne-Tech to investigate. He's not necessarily standing in for the government as he is for the human race. By the time BvS kicks off Clark will probably be a lot closer to Donner's version in spirit (minus the camp). I think these characters could juxtapose and play off each other well especially if Snyder looks to the DCAU for inspiration.

 

While I agree with you entirely re: Batman in terms of which character I'd like to see, I don't see a way for DC to clean up Superman's image in a montage at the start, essentially. There's too much of a departure from the regular Supes. Although funny enough I actually think Donner had a relatively darker take on Superman, when you remember when those movies came out (i.e., pre crisis on infinite earths). 

 

I see where you're coming from with MOS Supes just being Clark, except it's more of an AU Clark if he had a paranoid nutter for a father instead of Jonathan Kent. 



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From the Marvel thread: 

 

 

 

While I agree with you entirely re: Batman in terms of which character I'd like to see, I don't see a way for DC to clean up Superman's image in a montage at the start, essentially. There's too much of a departure from the regular Supes. Although funny enough I actually think Donner had a relatively darker take on Superman, when you remember when those movies came out (i.e., pre crisis on infinite earths). 

 

I see where you're coming from with MOS Supes just being Clark, except it's more of an AU Clark if he had a paranoid nutter for a father instead of Jonathan Kent. 

 

I chalk the mixed reception of Supes in MoS to his inexperience. He talked to Jor-El once. He discovered he could fly some 36 hours before General Zod's invasion. He wasn't even sure if he should turn himself in, because let's face it as a representative of the human race I have no problem saying we're bastards. He had the chance to get his people, culture, civilization back, but instead he chose to fight recklessly on humanity's behalf. He's not a bad guy just a little green. Considering he's never really used his powers or thrown a punch his entire life I'd say it could have been a lot worse.



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Since there isn't gonna be any kryptonite in the upcoming movie and since this is the first time Batman and Superman meet each other..... Isn't this gonna be like a really short movie if its a fight between them?

 

I mean, let's be honest, in a face to face battle without any planning, Batman just doesn't stand a chance against Clark.


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Since there isn't gonna be any kryptonite in the upcoming movie and since this is the first time Batman and Superman meet each other..... Isn't this gonna be like a really short movie if its a fight between them?

 

I mean, let's be honest, in a face to face battle without any planning, Batman just doesn't stand a chance against Clark.

 

I'm hoping it goes down similarly to this.

 

 

There will be a physical confrontation at some point. But the opponents will be their wills and ideologies. Batman won't like Superman because he thinks he's dangerous and has unchecked power. Superman won't like Batman because he thinks he hides behind a mask (which isn't the case the Batman cowl is his real face).


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Pretty major spoilers for later episodes of Arrow ahead, in regards to one of the characters. The original poster (a cameraman on the show, I believe) pulled the image from twitter, but not before the internet got hold of it.

 

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This character is one of my all-time favourite DC characters, so I'm thrilled that they're making their debut in Season 3. 

 

 


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I wonder if they'll ship her with Green Arrow or if they decide to go with Black Cat.



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Pretty major spoilers for later episodes of Arrow ahead, in regards to one of the characters. The original poster (a cameraman on the show, I believe) pulled the image from twitter, but not before the internet got hold of it.

 

Spoiler

 

This character is one of my all-time favourite DC characters, so I'm thrilled that they're making their debut in Season 3. 

 

I like that character. Whatever abomination is featuring on arrow is not her. 



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I like that character. Whatever abomination is featuring on arrow is not her. 

Someone's swimming in the River Denial... :rolleyes:



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Since there isn't gonna be any kryptonite in the upcoming movie and since this is the first time Batman and Superman meet each other..... Isn't this gonna be like a really short movie if its a fight between them?

 

I mean, let's be honest, in a face to face battle without any planning, Batman just doesn't stand a chance against Clark.

 

Another issue, how are you gonna have them fight without the introduction of kryptonite?



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I like that character. Whatever abomination is featuring on arrow is not her. 

I'll borrow that crystal ball of yours once you've finished with it.

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Another issue, how are you gonna have them fight without the introduction of kryptonite?

 

Kryptonite still isn't off the table. Remember in MoS the World Engine shot out Kryptonian particulates that severely ****ed with Kal-El's biology as well as Earth's ecology. If Lex Luthor or Bruce Wayne salvages and reverse engineers the World Engine they're that much closer to creating 'synthetic Kryptonite'.



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The only DC superhero that can fight with Superman is The (main) Green Lantern guy.



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And Captain Marvel/Shazam, Wonder Woman, Captain Atom, Supergirl, Power Girl...

Hell Doctor Fate could probably drop a really heavy Magic Ankh on Supes and that'd work.



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The only DC superhero that can fight with Superman is The (main) Green Lantern guy.

 

Nah Supes destroys Green Lantern

 

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