Well then we have our answer. An orthodox Dalish Elf would have to be LESS orthodox to pursue a romantic relationship with a human.
I agree. I mean, every romance option would expect the Dalish Inquisitor to bend orthodoxy to romance them. Even the females. An orthodox Harem Lead Lady Lavellan seems to have it better because of Solas, but he's a very strange mage who likes to befriend spirits, and that may clash with Dalish tradition.
Some people just have to metagame. They can't help themselves.
Call it metagaming but my Mage Warden had just spent the last month up to his neck with psychotic, racist, mage/casteless/elf-hating nobility.
I was willing to sacrifice a vote for a chance to stab one of these privileged pieces of garbage in the face. I'm not the White Warden. I'm the GREY Warden. It's pretty much our entire issue that we do questionable things in the service of the greater good. Since I'd already thrown Warden neutrality out the window three treaties ago, I decided to do a little housecleaning.
Alistair=Good King
Vaughn=Bad Arl
People forget that there's a Fereldan tradition of murder-hoboing nobles who stink at their job.
This isn't Orlais.
Besides, I think you lose the right to complain about murder when you self-defense your 3000th or so person.
Besides, I think you lose the right to complain about murder when you self-defense your 3000th or so person.
Killing an unarmed criminal in a cell is not the same thing as killing a bandit charging you with a greatsword.
Killing an unarmed criminal in a cell is not the same thing as killing a bandit charging you with a greatsword.
and Duncan stabbed a dude for trying to back out of the ritual.
The knife of the Grey Warden gets much use.
and Duncan stabbed a dude for trying to back out of the ritual.
And Ducan got his face cleaved in by a monster.
I'd argue Karma exists in Dragon Age.
And Ducan got his face cleaved in by a monster.
I'd argue Karma exists in Dragon Age.
If my Warden comes to a bad end, it's deserved, I admit. However, I'd say it's probably for murdering the entire population of a village to steal their sacred relic because an obnoxious religious fanatic told us it would heal her husband.
Sten: Why are we doing this? What good will the ashes of a dead woman do?
Warden PC: I don't know!
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and Duncan stabbed a dude for trying to back out of the ritual.
The knife of the Grey Warden gets much use.
Notice Jory pulled his sword out first... I figured that p!ssed Duncan off enough to murk him.
Notice Jory pulled his sword out first... I figured that p!ssed Duncan off enough murk him.
I didn't want to bring it up since this is technically off-topic, but this is true. Duncan even explains this when you question him... maybe if Jory hadn't pulled a blade, he would have just been forced to drink from the chalice. Hell, he might have even survived. We'll never know.
Now's probably not a good time to mention I also murdered people for Master Ignacio too, is it?
Now's probably not a good time to mention I also murdered people for Master Ignacio too, is it?
lol... hey, my Wardens almost never have clean hands. I'm just saying that murder and self-defense are different. No matter how many people you've killed in self-defense, that doesn't make murder any less real when it happens.
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Grey Warden NDAs are no joke.
I would like this if I still could. I LOL'd.
"There is no turning back."
Provided that Alistair is still king b/c he has yet to sell the crown for a cartload of lyrium.I'm sure with Alistair as King he will make sure people like Vaughan can't hurt the Alienage. IMO Alistair's the type of Goody-Two-Shoes who would do that as King.
Any sort of Dalish Inquisitor would lack the orthodox beliefs of regular Dalish. Merrill is another example of a Dalish elf that doesn't adhere to the Dalish orthodoxy.Well then we have our answer. An orthodox Dalish Elf would have to be LESS orthodox to pursue a romantic relationship with a human.
Damn. Just get the king to appoint a special prosecutor or something, homes.Call it metagaming but my Mage Warden had just spent the last month up to his neck with psychotic, racist, mage/casteless/elf-hating nobility.
I was willing to sacrifice a vote for a chance to stab one of these privileged pieces of garbage in the face. I'm not the White Warden. I'm the GREY Warden. It's pretty much our entire issue that we do questionable things in the service of the greater good. Since I'd already thrown Warden neutrality out the window three treaties ago, I decided to do a little housecleaning.
Alistair=Good King
Vaughn=Bad Arl
People forget that there's a Fereldan tradition of murder-hoboing nobles who stink at their job.
This isn't Orlais.
Besides, I think you lose the right to complain about murder when you self-defense your 3000th or so person.
Damn. Just get the king to appoint a special prosecutor or something, homes.
We can handle it then.
Me: Alistair, we don't recognize Loghain as king right.
Alistair: No.
Me: So that makes you King pro-tempo, right?
Alistair: I don't know what those words mean.
Me: It means I'm your best friend, right?
Alistair: ...yes.
Me: Then me stabbing people I dislike is legal.
Alistair: This is why I don't want to be king.
Grey Warden NDAs are no joke.
Except it seems they are entirely unnecessary.
It seems every random bit of monarchy knows about what the joining entails.
Back on topic, I think there was a good bit of implication Dalish "orthodoxy" isn't as clear-cut as people think since the clans are actually pretty independent of one another. They pretend they're all one nation when it's anything but.
If they ever got together, it'd be like Scottish clan politics.
And I remind people, Scottish politics gave us the Black Dinner.
Except it seems they are entirely unnecessary.
It seems every random bit of monarchy knows about what the joining entails.
You have to admit, they don't usually force royalty to join, though.
Back on topic, I think there was a good bit of implication Dalish "orthodoxy" isn't as clear-cut as people think since the clans are actually pretty independent of one another.
Not really.
I also find it hilarious and disturbing that Zathrian's group is actually one of the more liberal factions. Zathrian was SUBDUED by just hating one SPECIFIC group of humans.
And was quite willing to team up with others.
Not really.
Yes, with their central government and mass gatherings and frequent interaction, I can see why you'd disagree.
The Dalish should right a manifesto.
Back on topic, I think there was a good bit of implication Dalish "orthodoxy" isn't as clear-cut as people think since the clans are actually pretty independent of one another. They pretend they're all one nation when it's anything but.
If they ever got together, it'd be like Scottish clan politics.
And I remind people, Scottish politics gave us the Black Dinner.
Dalish culture varies from clan to clan to an extent, but there are a few things that never change. They all believe in the Creators, they all believe in gathering and maintaining lost lore, they are all isolationists (no outside races allowed), they all frown on mixed breeding, etc... the only real difference that I see between clans is how much they dislike humans. That seems to be pretty variable, ranging from genocidal to tolerant (Rivaini elves are still nomadic but trade with humans). An "orthodox" Dalish would therefore hold onto the basic tenants of the culture even if they disagree on one or two less important aspects...
Except it seems they are entirely unnecessary.
It seems every random bit of monarchy knows about what the joining entails.
I think that is more of a lore slip-up than hard canon. IIRC neither Loghain, nor Marric knew anything of what it meant to be a Grey Warden in The Calling (other than fighting Darkspawn). Also that it is fatal is not what is necesarrily being kept secret, but rather that the Wardens taint themselves to combat the Blight.
Any sort of Dalish Inquisitor would lack the orthodox beliefs of regular Dalish. Merrill is another example of a Dalish elf that doesn't adhere to the Dalish orthodoxy.
I don't think the Dalish Inquisitor would necessarily lack the capacity to be an orthodox member of the People. I agree that Merrill is unorthodox, but that's because she's a blood mage; she actually shares the same orthodox views as the Dalish about the elven pantheon, magic as a gift of the Creators, viewing spirits as dangerous. If you meant it because of Merrill's view of the elves in the Alienage or her perception of humans, I don't take Merrill's view that the Kirkwall elves are still elves, and not having a problem with humans, as signs that she's unorthodox.
Will there be a schism in the Dalish community sometime soon? I hope so. It's time to get over what happened centuries and centuries ago and work to build a better future for elven kind. The Dalish aren't very constructive in this approach living as a clan of bitter, racist nomads roaming the countryside feeling sorry for themselves. The more Dalish decide that what they're doing isn't working, the better.
There are variances with the clans already, as Gaider commented on as far back as the old Dragon Central board, when he mentioned all clans have their differences (with the exception of commonalities, like the view of the Creators, the prohibition against using magic that involves spirits, and issues like that). However, the Dalish way of life is more about survival than building towards a future; that might change if the prospect of a homeland is available as a path for the elven Inquisitor, but otherwise, I don't see that changing. It's not like the Dalish can live side by side with Andrastian humans when their religion has been outlawed, or who would expect them to give up their culture and religion.
A pan-elven future where the Dalish can work with and live with the Andrastian and Qunari elves in a permanent settlement would be very interesting to pursue, at least in my opinion.
Qunari elves?
They are followers of the Qun first and foremost, they have no more of an identity as "elven"
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