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[Master Warder Z_]

Qunari elves?

 

They are followers of the Qun first and foremost, they have no more of an identity as "elven"

 

Yeah, you abandon everything you are when you convert.

 

You aren't your race anymore.

 

You are Qunari.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well I think one of the reasons that people find whole Kossith controversy confusing is that the Qunari still seem to be able to recognize Qunari Elves as elves, but yeah Qunari Elves are Qunari first and would not identify as being part of an elven nation. At most I'd say they may have some degree of knowledge of ancient elven lore like Tallis, but that's all.

[LobselVith8]

Well I think one of the reasons that people find whole Kossith controvorsy confusing is that the Qunari seem to be able to recognize Qunari Elves as elves, but yeah Qunari elves are Qunari first and would not identify as being part of an elven nation.

 

There are variants of Qunari. The Rivaini who follow the Qunari still have seers (the entry on the Qunari in Dragon Age II was even written by the seer of Kont-arr in Rivain), despite how drastically different this is to how the Qunari operate on the island nations of Par Vollen and Seheron. 

 

I think it's reasonable there could be elves who follow the Qun and still care about their elven heritage; it's possible the reason some elves in Kirkwall abandoned their old life and converted to the Qun may have been the potential social mobility a Qunari-run Kirkwall could have held for the elves. If Iron Bull has an elven contact (as Tallis was viddathari), perhaps we might learn more about Qunari elves and their views.

[Steelcan]

Those qunari elves who still maintain Seers, do the Qunari mainstream have direct control over that area?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's not 100% clear, but I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's not 100% clear, but I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

 

Considering Qunari Policy on Magic: I'd say the answer is pretty self evident.

[Icy Magebane]

If they are not acknowledged, protected, and controlled by Par Vollen, then they are not Qunari, merely bas who have adopted certain aspects of the Qun into their culture.  This would be seen as an affront to the Qunari, although I suspect they will use this to their advantage when they make their first moves in the eventual invasion of Thedas.  If the Rivaini "Qunari" believe themselves to be the same as the Qunari, then they will be easy to manipulate and may open their ports without asking too many questions.  I doubt they'll like the results of that, however.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

For a viddathari to even consider their heritage they'd have to have been Qunari for quite a while. Recent converts tend to be fanatical either through reeducation or some personal need to prove themselves to the whole. "Elven Qunari" as you call it would be few and far between. Even fewer would be willing to leave their duty behind to build a 'New Elven Nation'. Qunari don't play that ****.

 

That's true for maintream Qunari, but Lob does kind of have a point for the Rivaini Qunari. I imagine they'd still more likely consider themselves  members of the local Rivaini community rather than elves, but with much less strict guidelines than Par Vollen, there's no real reason it would be totally inconceivable for them.

 

Considering Qunari Policy on Magic: I'd say the answer is pretty self evident.

 

Yeah, there's some grey area. But Kont-aar is a little less clear. Didn't the comics have Oxman Qunari roaming the streets teaching people or something?

[LobselVith8]

It's not 100% clear, but I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

 

It's not clear, but the Qunari do seem to care about the people in Rivain (since one historical account claims surprise that the killings of the Qunari in Rivain didn't spur the Qunari into another war with Thedas). According to Sister Petrine, "It's worth noting, however, that the Kingdom of Rivain immediately violated the treaty. Twice. Once, when the humans of northern Rivain - nearly all practitioners of the Qun and therefore by definition, "Qunari" - refused to leave their homes and go in exile to the islands. And again, when the Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves. It's a fortunate mystery that the leaders in Kont-aar did not alert their allies in the Northern Passage, or we'd still be fighting the giants now."

 

The seer also wrote about Seheron and Par Vollen as though the seer had been there: "In Seheron and Par Vollen, one can truly see the Qunari in their entirety. There, the unification of the Qunari into a single being is most evident. Workers, whom the Qun calls the mind, produce everything the Qunari require. The soul, the priesthood, seeks a greater understanding of the self, the world, and exhorts the body and mind to continually strive for perfection. The body serves as the go-between for the mind, the soul, and the world. Everyone and everything has a place, decided by the Qun, in which they work for the good of the whole. It is a life of certainty, of equality, if not individuality."

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The impression I get is that Rivaini Qunari are the closet thing the mainstream Qunari have to allies, even if they are still considered bas.

[Icy Magebane]

I think that there would be some measure of respect for them. They are 'trying' to follow the Qun after all. Best analogy I can think of is being religious, but still having vices. 

The Qunari may accept conversion once they arrive in force, but it will be on their terms.  No more Seers, no more laxity.  If the Rivainis were serious, they would not be willing to ignore so many of the basic principles of the Qun.  This suggests that they are not particularly interested in the true path of the Qunari and may be unwilling to accept full conversion when the time comes.  There certainly can't be any room for compromise...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Given how much respect and privilege they give them compared to the rest of Thedas, I think the Qunari mainly see the Rivaini Qunari as trying to find enlightenment as best as their flawed society allows them to and thus give them points for the effort.

[Icy Magebane]

I mean yeah. But I figure it's more of a "let's cross that bridge when we get there" situation and less "those Riviani are mocking us with their desecration of the Qun". The Qunari aren't permitted to settle on mainland Thedas so how can they expect the Rivainis to follow the Qun to the letter without Tamassrans and Ben-Hassrath to guide them?

Oh, well yeah that's true... the Rivainis are closer to the Qun that anybody else in Thedas, after all.  Even though they are bas, they show potential, and there is a good chance that many of them will accept the Qun.  I am just worried about the problems that may arise for those unwilling to give up the flagrant use of magic when the Qunari finally arrive on Thedas... The gap between sarebaas and seer is immense, but this tradition of allowing spirits to merge with mortals seems deeply ingrained in Rivaini culture.  There may be a good deal of true converts among the population, but I'm also expecting a bloodbath once the Arvaraads show up.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Considering Qunari Policy on Magic: I'd say the answer is pretty self evident.

 

Rivani people: We sure love the Qun! Don't we guys and gals!

*Cheers*

 

Stenishok: Time to bring out the Arvaraads.

[JadePrince]

Seems like the conversation has drifted pretty far off topic so I feel a little weird bringing it back, haha...

 

For my own playthrough-- I'm hoping to be able to play a Dalish with strong loyalties to his clan who feels very conflicted about falling in love with Dorian, a human. How that'll play out, who knows? That's the fun part. Hopefully the game gives us the opportunity to address the challenge of balancing what we were raised to believe with the affection we develop for our LI (esp if they're a different race). 

[Willowhugger]

Given how much respect and privilege they give them compared to the rest of Thedas, I think the Qunari mainly see the Rivaini Qunari as trying to find enlightenment as best as their flawed society allows them to and thus give them points for the effort.

 

It'd be interesting if the Rivani decided they were true followers of the Qun and the Qunari...weren't.

That would make Thedas even more interesting to me.

Religious schisms are awesome from a world-building perspective.