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[Celtic Latino]

This is pretty much why I will play a female Dalish elf on my first run since Solas, despite not being Dalish, is still elven. I can imagine the Inquisitor will be able to sway Solas towards helping the Dalish or perhaps believes he serves the creators in his own way.

A lesbian Lavellan interested in Sera may be conflicted considering Dalish views on City Elves but like Sola's might see her as redeemable or kin.

To a lesser degree Iron Bull, despite being a qunari, is at least not human and probably wouldn't have as negative an implication as being in a relationship with a human would.

Straight male elves, dwarves and qunari are pretty much stuck with lady shems/Topsiders/bas in this one unless there's a romanceable DLC character somewhere down the road.

[Mistic]

The latter - I meant that a relationship with Hawke would likely mean that she couldn't seek out another clan to join (whether he becomes Viscount or is on the run from Chantry and templars forces for defying Meredith's Annulment, likely making him one of the most wanted fugitives in the Free Marches). By Act III, Merrill has decided not to continue with her efforts to construct the Eluvian, so that wouldn't even be an issue.

 

Well, it's true that she had the option... the same Hawke could have got back to Ferelden if wanted. But it never turns up, does it?

 

The romantic in me (and I'm not talking only about romances, but friendship and good feelings in general) thinks that Merrill was probably at a low point when she was kicked out by her clan. Hawke was there for her (except in that ending where she can end up dead). That's a lot. Dalish society is heavily based on clans. On community. If you lose that community suddenly, you would like to find another one as soon as you can, if only to feel more at ease, wouldn't you?

 

The idea of "community" can also explain a lone Dalish willing to be best friends forever with their companions, no matter their origins. A strange fake clan full of shemlen is better than no clan at all.

 

Besides, Cassandra or Josephine joining the Dalish. That'd be a first. What if they had kids? Would it be a Dalish? It's not elven.

 

I don't see it happening, yeah. The archer card for multiplayer tells the story of a woodsman saved by some Dalish who taught him their skills, but he wasn't welcome into the clan because he wasn't an elf. For years he wandered, not finding his place, until Inquisition happened.

[Willowhugger]

 

For a straight male Dalish there is no getting away from the fact that romancing a human is counter culture and whilst we are continually told that humans find elves attractive, it has never been suggested that the opposite is true.  However, Feynriel's mother had a romance with a human and it would seem it was entirely consensual on her part, so it would seem that Dalish can overcome their upbringing and be attracted to a human.

 

Iona would argue that attraction seems to be the case for elves to humans.

However, one could argue rather bleakly one doesn't say no to a Cousland.

I prefer to think she just wanted to have sex with a Prince(ss).

[Master Warder Z_]

I think the PC and their LI should be grown ups about this and actually you know, talk about such before starting a relationship.

 

You know, getting this all out in the open, i mean honestly elven racial prejudice and such aside: You are two consenting adults.

[LobselVith8]

Well, you're almost certainly going to confront the larger issues raised in "The Masked Empire."

Which is, "City Elves want equality with Dalish."

I mean, Dalish Elves will have their MINDS BLOWN by this concept.

 

I don't think many of the other clans share Clan Virnehn's views. Zathrian's clan rescued Aneirin when they found the boy near death, Velanna's clan remarks positively when they see her in the company of humans (and take the word of a human that Velanna has changed for the better), and Merrill thought that the elves in the Kirkwall Alienage mattered.

 

These acts stand in sharp contrast to the behavior of Keeper Thelhen, the warleader, and Clan Virnehn.

 

I'm actually looking forward to playing as an elven Inquisitor who cares about all the elves, like Merrill did. I use the term 'traditionalist' in reference to a character who believes in the Creators, follows the cultural traditions of the Elvhen, and doesn't use magic that involves spirits; I don't use it to mean someone small-minded like Thelhen, who I think my Dalish mage would have found disgusting in his attitude towards the elves of Halamshiral (and I'd imagine it's a feeling that would be shared by the clans we have met so far).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This really isn't any different from the Dalish Warden having a relationship with... anyone really in DAO. The fact that Maharial was Dalish was just a background fact. You can't really go back to your people until after the story is over. Also Merrill's sacrifices aren't necessarily for Hawke, she makes them regardless of her relationship. She made them because she wanted to complete her quest to uncover the secrets of the Eluvian.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think many of the other clans share Clan Virnehn's views

 

Despite it more or less being endorsed by every one of them presented thus far.

 

Flat ear this, flat ear that, those aren't real elves.

 

Blah blah blah blah, Two games, two books and multiple mentions of it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Despite it more or less being endorsed by every one of them presented thus far.

 

Flat ear this, flat ear that, those aren't real elves.

 

Blah blah blah blah, Two games, two books and multiple mentions of it.

 

Except no, none of them do. Thelhen hates City Elves so much he wants them all to die and does not believe any Dalish Clan should ever take one in. He even calls the ones that do (as in the ones we've seen the games) misguided for doing so or having pity on them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Except no, none of them do. Thelhen hates City Elves so much he wants them all to die and does not believe any Dalish Clan should ever take one in.

 

It's a more extreme take on everything they have presented thus far, The Dalish Gate Guards in DA2, The Dalish Origin back in DAO.

 

The Dalish in DA: Stolen Throne, Masked Empire.

 

It's all the same belief, its just differing measures of it.

 

But the belief is ultimately the same.

 

"Those aren't elves because they aren't Dalish"

[Willowhugger]

Despite it more or less being endorsed by every one of them presented thus far.

 

Flat ear this, flat ear that, those aren't real elves.

 

Blah blah blah blah, Two games, two books and multiple mentions of it.

What weird parallel universe is this!?

I agree with you.

[LobselVith8]

My Merrill finished fixing the Eluvian because I supported her completely.

She's not going to turn it on, though.

 

My apostate Champion supported Merrill, too, but the Eluvian remains inert. Gaider also commented on the Eluvian not being operable when he discussed how Merrill built the Eluvian from her research.

 

Quite possibly, the elven Inquisitor might comment on it in passing, perhaps supporting or condemning Merrill's course of action to help the Elvhen (the same way Hawke could).

[Mistic]

I know this is about pairings for a male Dalish Inquisitor with Cassandra or Josephine, but I suppose the same issues would happen with a homosexual Dalish Inquisitor, no matter their gender or the race of their beloved. They would be expected to marry and have children with another elf, not unlike Dorian in Tevinter.

[Reznore57]

This really isn't any different from the Dalish Warden having a relatinoship with... anyone really in DAO. The fact that Maharial was Dalish was just a background fact. You can't really go back to your people until after the story is over. Also Merrill's sacrifices aren't necessarily for Hawke, she makes them regardless of her relationship. She made them because she wanted to complete her quest to uncover the secrets of the Eluvian.

 

The difference is in DAO , the Dalish warden leaves the clan for good , since he /she become a warden.There's no turning back.

In Inquisition , you're send to spy , I assume the clan is waiting for your return.

I wonder what's going to happen , if we can send news or something to warn the Dalish about the BOOM or at least the Inquisitor survived...and how Cassandra kidnap you.

 

My Dalish is going to steal one of Leliana's bird ."Please , help.A crazy shem with a big sword is keeping me captive!"

[Master Warder Z_]

What weird parallel universe is this!?

I agree with you.

 

 

I like city elves.

 

Someone has to defend them from their supremacist cousins and their fans.

[rpgfan321]

I agree with some of the posts here about the Dalish and their inherent prejudices.

Arianni, for example, always had the choice to go back, but she herself did not see that option existed. She denied herself the way out from Kirkwall because I think she inherently believed that human association especially the intimate kind is a taboo.

I also think the personality of the current Keeper plays a role into how accepting the entire clan will be since the position of the Keeper is very central and well respected. If you've read the Masked Empire and compare the two Dalish clans, I think you'll get different opinions with regard to the issue.

[MisterJB]

I'm looking foward to playing a really patronizing Dalish that treats City Elves like lost children who need to be taught how to be true elves.

Sera's reactions ought to be hilarious.

[TheJediSaint]

I'm looking foward to playing a really patronizing Dalish that treats City Elves like lost children who need to be taught how to be true elves.

Sera's reactions ought to be hilarious.

No giggle-snorts for you!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

It's a more extreme take on everything they have presented thus far, The Dalish Gate Guards in DA2, The Dalish Origin back in DAO.

 

The Dalish in DA: Stolen Throne, Masked Empire.

 

It's all the same belief, its just differing measures of it.

 

But the belief is ultimately the same.

 

"Those aren't elves because they aren't Dalish"

 

It's not the same if the different clans have completely opposite opinions on what the significance of city elves is and why. If Keeper Thelhen says "they are poor cousins that are lost to us forever" and Hahren Paivel says they are vital to the Dalish because they can teach them to understand humanity, then those perspectives are way more different than they are alike.

[Hizoku]

I'm looking foward to playing a really patronizing Dalish that treats City Elves like lost children who need to be taught how to be true elves.

Sera's reactions ought to be hilarious.

if that's even possible then i'll probably be doing the same, Sera and Solas must be assimilated.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's not the same if the different clans have completely opposite opinions on what the significance of city elves is and why. If Keeper Thelhen says "they are poor cousins that are lost to us forever" and Hahren Paivel says they are vital to the Dalish because they can teach them to understand humanity, then those perspectives are way more different than they are alike.

 

Hahren Paivel proceeds to say that, and then calls out Merril for leaving the clan to go to Kirkwall.

 

So one hypocritical old Elf doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, especially when you considering, you are just citing one instance anyway.

 

I cited four <.<

 

One from every clan presented.

[Patchwork]

Because communication is difficult and the clans so rarely met up attitudes towards humans and non dalish elves vary. Some are like Thelhen while others are more accepting, some even park their camp sites near a town and stay for a long time. I don't think you can lump all the clans together and say the Inquisitor will be exiled for their contact with humans or that all dalish hate city elves imo there's not enough social cohesion for that. 

 

I'm not a big Merrill fan but I always did feel a bit sorry for her that being with Hawke meant she'd never have elven children. 

[Willowhugger]

• Merrill: You've probably never met a Dalish before, have you?
• Fenris: I wouldn't know.
• Merrill: I'm sure you'd be able to tell. Dalish aren't much like the elves in the cities.
• Fenris: The smug sense of superiority does give you away.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm not a big Merrill fan but I always did feel a bit sorry for her that being with Hawke meant she'd never have elven children. 

 

If she isn't sweating that why would you? I acknowledge she mentions it, but she still stayed.

 

She choose to be in the relationship.

 

So obviously she accept the possibility of not giving birth to elves, and possibly even giving birth to humans.

[Icy Magebane]

 

I like city elves.

 

Someone has to defend them from their supremacist cousins and their fans.

*sigh* Always out of likes at the worst times... meh.  I agree.  The fact that Dalish culture is intolerant to the point of supremacy cannot be disputed.  This is true to some degree in all examples we have seen, and is one of the basic principles that defines Dalish culture.  Whether this is a good or bad thing, however, is a matter of debate...

 

I think that any orthodox Dalish Inquisitor is better off not bothering with romancing a non-elf... unless the player is willing to roleplay their character in a way that invites conflict and personal growth, there's nothing to be gained from such a pairing.

[Willowhugger]

On a more serious note, I think it was mentioned in Origins or one of the interviews, I wish I remembered which that City Elves are often adopted into the Dalish clans in order to flesh out their numbers and bloodlines. Dalish clans are willing to accept City Elves but this is under the tacit assumption that they will become Dalish in all things. The contempt they hold Flat-Ears in is a stated fact and the idea from the Dalish is that if City Elves were actually elven then they would be Dalish.

 

Briala's idea is the Dalish are plotting to help the City Elves somehow. She is then surprised to find that Dalish don't have ANY intention of helping them at all. They think of City Elves the same way City Elves think of elves who go to work for the Orlaisians.

Sellouts.

Not real elves.

Which I think makes sense.

 

The Dalish have their own problems.