I disagree about Anders attacking him
I know, dude. 
I hate having them both around, I almost never do dat.
But, just this one time, they both weren't arguing and it was decent enough. Almost peaceful.
Yeah I wouldn't say he was strong but I also wouldn't say he wasn't religious.
Well, he was less religious than many others, at least. Like he said, "my faith was never strong".
Fenris says his faith was never strong but he also tells Anders the reason he didn't kill himself was because suicide was a sin to the Maker.
Well an outcast or dalish that was only there because they didn't feel they'd make it out on their own I guess could work. They really only supported the dalish way of life for their own survival and ease.
Hopefully the PC can be anti dalish enough for it to work believably.
Well, the OP talks specifically about orthodox Dalish and rules out those who are willing to look at it differently, so that's what I'm going by... I don't believe for a second that DA:I will force Dalish Inquisitors to be elven hardliners.
Well, the OP talks specifically about orthodox Dalish and rules out those who are willing to look at it differently, so that's what I'm going by... I don't believe for a second that DA:I will force Dalish Inquisitors to be elven hardliners.
Elven Hardliners tend to be mean...
I know, dude.
*snip*
But, just this one time, they both weren't arguing and it was decent enough. Almost peaceful.
Well, he was less religious than many others, at least. Like he said, "my faith was never strong".
I know D: I just want to scream STFU GAWD. But nooooooo.
But it was about suicide tho D: When the two of them can't have a peaceful conversation other than that it's sad.
True still there are varying degrees of beliefs I still do believe he's Andrastian though. (My Hawke's vary from strong, to weak to around Fenris level particularly start questioning after all that remains).
Well, the OP talks specifically about orthodox Dalish and rules out those who are willing to look at it differently, so that's what I'm going by... I don't believe for a second that DA:I will force Dalish Inquisitors to be elven hardliners.
Ah good point.
Hopefully. I'm really hoping this doesn't end up another one of those "You can play you're not happy to be back with the alliance." types of choices. (yeah I'm still PO about that).
Fenris says his faith was never strong but he also tells Anders the reason he didn't kill himself was because suicide was a sin to the Maker.
*Sigh* Here we go again.
Srsly. You need to start not only listen to what they say, but also to understand what they meant by that.
I know D: I just want to scream STFU GAWD. But nooooooo.
I just wanted a gag as a present. For both of them.
Well with Josephine, I don't remember any particular connections Josephine had to the Chantry. I don't think she would necessarily be at odds with the Dalish Inquisitor's dalish elven culture, besides just being human.
I wasn't thinking about any antagonism due to ties with the Chantry of Andraste, but rather that the orthodox Dalish protagonist might want different (or contrary) things in life than either Cassandra or Josephine, and that this might be an issue of conflict for a long term relationship. It seems like it wouldn't be too much of an issue for an unorthodox elven main character (depending on the mindset of the person), but for a traditionalist elf who wants (as one example) a future living among the Dalish, I can see it as a problem when life would pull these people in drastically different directions.
*Sigh* Here we go again.
Srsly. You need to start not only listen to what they say, but also to understand what they meant by that.
So...rather then take him at his word, you...assume what you think he meant?
I just wanted a gag as a present. For both of them.
Nah I wouldn't give Fenris a gag that voice especially angry gets me everytime 
Anders though god yes.
Still wondering how the hell all those manifestos ended up in my bookcases.
Did Bodahn not stop him or something?!?
But ontopic. I guess a orthodox dalish male could just abstain from romance. That's always a perfectly viable option. I'm not sure why he'd lower himself to dallying with a human (especially one he works with and all the baggage a break up would entail) particularly when he was planning on later marrying and having elven children.
There's probably a brothel with elven ladies if he just has an itch to scratch.
I don't "assume". I simply see what they implied by that.
Like I said, this conversation wasn't about faith. Or rather, it's wasn't about religion.
Did Bodahn not stop him or something?!?
Well, he didn't stop Isabella either, lol. I guess he's afraid of Hawke's friends.
*Dumps a box filled with Ander's manifesto's into the fireplace*
So...rather then take him at his word, you...assume what you think he meant?
Careful now... this head canon seams to have taken on the properties of a glass cannon. It packs a punch but won't hold up well against scrutiny. You wouldn't want it to shatter under the pressure of logic, would you?
I wasn't thinking about any antagonism due to ties with the Chantry of Andraste, but rather that the orthodox Dalish protagonist might want different (or contrary) things in life than either Cassandra or Josephine, and that this might be an issue of conflict for a long term relationship. It seems like it wouldn't be too much of an issue for an unorthodox elven main character (depending on the mindset of the person), but for a traditionalist elf who wants (as one example) a future living among the Dalish, I can see it as a problem when life would pull these people in drastically different directions.
It would seem taking on a human lover would be unorthodox as is, so I can't see a purely traditionalist dalish inquisitor wanting to be with a human. Some level of unorthodoxy seems required. With some love interests, the biggest realistic hurdles may be with the other dalish themselves.
Well, he didn't stop Isabella either, lol. I guess he's afraid of Hawke's friends.
Isabella only drew crap in like 2 places though. So I can see her sneaking and doing it. Anders crap was everywhere XD
*Dumps a box filled with Ander's manifesto's into the fireplace*
Yep I can imagine my poor rivalmanced Anders Hawke doing that daily. Well least they never went cold.
Yep I can imagine my poor rivalmanced Anders Hawke doing that daily. Well least they never went cold.
I never could stand doing the rivalmance with Anders...
Now Fenris, it was amusing and adorable at the same time.
Also Puppy eyes!
The Dalish are trying to recover their old traditions and culture. Part of this encompasses their religious faith. They believe that the Creators abandoned them because they "forgot what it was to be elven" and when they remember, the Creators will return. Coincidentally, or not, according to their lore, they lost their immortality the same time as the Creators left them, which also corresponded with them having greater contact with humans. They also believe the ancient elves tried to reverse this by cutting themselves off from human contact. (There may have been a different reason for this but that is what the Dalish believe). There is also the belief that all elves originally were capable of magic and according to the Wiki (although I have never seen this in an in game codex) they also believe that Keepers have the purest blood because they are mages. Everything in their historical lore and current attitudes points towards a belief that they need to keep themselves separate from other races if they hope to return to their former glory.
All the above points to a culture where you are only truly considered of "The People" if you follow the ways of the Dalish. This is why they regard city elves who continue to live in the alienages as not truly elven because whilst they are physically elves, they no longer follow the "old ways" as established by the Dalish. Living in close proximity to humans is contrary to their traditions for the most part, although some clans do in fact do so, the one up in Rivain springs to mind. Just as in real life, there may be variations in the orthodoxy of belief. However, the clans may vary in their relations with other races on a general basis but everything in game points to non Dalish, and certainly non elven, romances being frowned upon and not part of Dalish culture. Since they believe their gods will only return to them if they restore their culture in full, quite apart from the offspring issue, they probably feel that engaging in non-elven romances will be offensive to the gods and delay their return. Hence the offender becoming an outcast. If they still adhere to Dalish beliefs, I suppose it is possible that a person could make themselves voluntarily outcast rather than risk delaying the return of the Creators to their clan.
A Dalish could fall in love with a non-elf but I think they would do so in full knowledge that it would be frowned upon by their clan and they would no longer be welcome there with their partner, or possibly even without them.
I never could stand doing the rivalmance with Anders...
Now Fenris, it was amusing and adorable at the same time.
Also Puppy eyes!
It's amusing enough as a snarky Hawke.
Yeees.
lawl I did love them I admit.
I wonder if dalish elf/Cullen will be abit like rivalmancing Fenris. Could be interesting.
The Dalish are trying to recover their old traditions and culture. Part of this encompasses their religious faith. They believe that the Creators abandoned them because they "forgot what it was to be elven" and when they remember, the Creators will return. Coincidentally, or not, according to their lore, they lost their immortality the same time as the Creators left them, which also corresponded with them having greater contact with humans. They also believe the ancient elves tried to reverse this by cutting themselves off from human contact. (There may have been a different reason for this but that is what the Dalish believe). There is also the belief that all elves originally were capable of magic and according to the Wiki (although I have never seen this in an in game codex) they also believe that Keepers have the purest blood because they are mages. Everything in their historical lore and current attitudes points towards a belief that they need to keep themselves separate from other races if they hope to return to their former glory.
All the above points to a culture where you are only truly considered of "The People" if you follow the ways of the Dalish. This is why they regard city elves who continue to live in the alienages as not truly elven because whilst they are physically elves, they no longer follow the "old ways" as established by the Dalish. Living in close proximity to humans is contrary to their traditions for the most part, although some clans do in fact do so, the one up in Rivain springs to mind. Just as in real life, there may be variations in the orthodoxy of belief. However, the clans may vary in their relations with other races on a general basis but everything in game points to non Dalish, and certainly non elven, romances being frowned upon and not part of Dalish culture. Since they believe their gods will only return to them if they restore their culture in full, quite apart from the offspring issue, they probably feel that engaging in non-elven romances will be offensive to the gods and delay their return. Hence the offender becoming an outcast. If they still adhere to Dalish beliefs, I suppose it is possible that a person could make themselves voluntarily outcast rather than risk delaying the return of the Creators to their clan.
A Dalish could fall in love with a non-elf but I think they would do so in full knowledge that it would be frowned upon by their clan and they would no longer be welcome there with their partner, or possibly even without them.
They believe the Creators "abandoned" them because Fen'Harel locked them away. And living close to humans long term is impractical if they try in most places because they are chased off by templars or other humans if they stay too long.
By traditionalist, do you imply some level of fundamentalism?
Because if so, I certainly cannot see a (for lack of better phrasing) fundamentalist Dalish willingly entering a romantic or physical relationship with a human. In fact I believe it would be difficult for someone who is a devout follower of any faith in Thedas to be interested in someone of a different one. I doubt they would even be comfortable working with as many humans and Andrastians as they would be. Difficult, but I hesitate to say impossible. People change (or are hypocritical), after all.
If you simply meant a Dalish Inquisitor who follows the cultural and religious traditions they grew up with, then I believe they would have to be accepting of the sacrifice that comes along with romancing someone outside of accepted conduct, and willing to potentially ostracize themselves. Particularly so for male Dalish, as there would be no chance of ever returning to his clan once taking on Cassandra/Josephine/Iron Bull/Dorian as a significant other, lovely as they might be. We know that non-elven individuals are not welcome among the clans.
Female Dalish would possibly have the option of doing so were it given, provided they romanced an elf like Solas...although even he may have reservations about joining a Dalish clan, seeing how he could have done so at any time if he'd wanted to. And I don't think we know enough about the elven views on homosexuality - although we can glean some implication that it would go against the rite of passage for city elves as they're forced to marry; and against Dalish as it would not be conducive to building numbers - to say that Sera would be welcome to return with a female Dalish to her clan. Not that she would anyway, since she apparently hates the outdoors.
Either way you look at it I doubt we'd be heading back to our clans other than in our head(canon)s. Responsibility and the maintenance of all that Inquisitorial power will keep our Dalish PCs tied where they are.
Aaand I rambled. Meh, whatever.
I was always curious how my Warden's clan would have seen her going and shacking up with Leliana. Luckily, Ashalle didn't notice at the end of the game.
Warden wasn't a particularly Dalish Dalish in my case anyway.
I was always curious how my Warden's clan would have seen her going and shacking up with Leliana. Luckily, Ashalle didn't notice at the end of the game.
Warden wasn't a particularly Dalish Dalish in my case anyway.
Considering how some of the Dalish are married, I think their issue might be that your Warden is with a shemlen, rather than with a woman; I honestly don't think they would force the issue if your Lavellan Inquisitor was with Sera, for example. I don't get the impression the Dalish mandate marriages, considering how Gheyna refused to bond with Cammen, and there are some adult characters who don't seem to have children (like Marethari, who seemed to treat Merrill as though she was a surrogate daughter), so it doesn't seem as though they push procreation. Merrill's dialogue with a female Hawke, in contrast to what she says with a male Hawke, also gives me this impression.
If Cass can love a heathen elf mage for who he is, well, she's pretty special. And that's going to be the sort of thing that would sweep my male Lavellan right off his feet, so I'm not too worried about him if that's how it goes. He's traditional in some ways and not so traditional in others. He'd likely have some concerns, but he'd just go with what feels right to him after a while. Being Inquisitor already places him outside of Dalish norms to begin with. I like the concept that the Inquisition will be their baby, and their clan. Even if some or most of his people never accept his choices, he's still not going to abandon them, because family is family. Having an elven option for male elves would've been awesome, but the cards are what they are.
I'm still curious as to how much each individual inquisitor will be able to convey their cultural viewpoint. Accounting for vashoth, surface dwarves, andrastian nobles/mage, dalish seems a tall order
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