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[pengwin21]

I like the point that women got what they wanted while men didn't.

 

Solas isn't exactly Richard Gere. He looks like Nosferatu. I'd compare him with Thane to be honest, fugly but "profound" and possibly all dramatic. And Cullen and Blackwall are about the same age as Cassandra. Josephine looks younger than the rest to me.

 

So is it only a "mature fetish" when the LI is a woman? Looks to me like those standards are pretty inequal themselves. We're quite used to see men going for younger women and women going for older men. It's tradition... inequal tradition. I'd say DA:I pushes for equality in fact by having all the LIs be roughly the same age. That age happens to be greater than in previous titles. I like that, personally, because I am aging as well. Btw, a 22 year old that wants to romance Wynne has a mature fetish. A 22 year old that wants to romance a 30 year old doesn't have a mature fetish. wtf. Your saying that makes me wonder if you're even over 20... but that ain't my business.

 

Question: are the inquisitors in their early twenties or will they be roughly the same age as Blackwall et al? I really see nothing to discuss if so. If the inquisitors are a lot younger, then women are already used to that scenario... men... well, we're seeing the reaction already. Oops. It's curious that there weren't many women complaining in 2010 when we got hot chicks while they got two aliens and Jacob. They tried it out. The Garrusmance proved to be quite fun. So take it as an opportunity to experience something new! Or just date Josephine if for you 30 years and short hair is just too much in a woman. Or do like me and go for a friendship instead. The Morrigan friendship was very nice.

 

You ask: what's wrong with liking women that are younger than Cassandra? Answer: Nothing. Something else was decided for this game however. There are plenty of more comfortable games that fit traditional standards better. It's a big world. There's room for many varied things. It's nice to have something somewhat different for a change. I wouldn't want to rescue nubile Triss and bed her in every game I play. Boooring.

 

Yeah Blackwall is definitely older than other Bioware LIs, Solas has been compared to Nosferatu, Iron Bull is definitely not conventionally attractive. Maybe Cullen fits this supposed 'straight female ideal' that Ishten is supposedly the expert on, but he's only a few years younger than Cassandra really.

 

Inquisitors can supposedly be about 20-40, so there may or may not be a significant age gap between them and the LIs.

[puppy maclove]

MP

[Sylentmana]

It doesn't matter. This is the internet. If there is nothing to complain about, they will make something to complain about.

[fhs33721]

Or to say it with the words of sarcastic Hawke:

Internet forum users, you could send them gold and they'd complain that it is heavy.

[frankf43]

Yeah Blackwall is definitely older than other Bioware LIs, Solas has been compared to Nosferatu, Iron Bull is definitely not conventionally attractive. Maybe Cullen fits this supposed 'straight female ideal' that Ishten is supposedly the expert on, but he's only a few years younger than Cassandra really.

 

Inquisitors can supposedly be about 20-40, so there may or may not be a significant age gap between them and the LIs.

So are you saying that Straight Women are not happy with their Li choices? Because that is not the impression that I have got. 

 

Twitter and youtube are alight with Cullen, Sir Beefcakes and Ride The Bull. And fair play to them this is a fantasy game why should they not have a laugh about possible Li's, it's all good fun. I'll give you that not many are ecstatic about Solas but hey 3 out of 4 ain't bad. 

[pengwin21]

So are you saying that Straight Women are not happy with their Li choices? Because that is not the impression that I have got. 

 

Twitter and youtube are alight with Cullen, Sir Beefcakes and Ride The Bull. And fair play to them this is a fantasy game why should they not have a laugh about possible Li's, it's all good fun. I'll give you that not many are ecstatic about Solas but hey 3 out of 4 ain't bad. 

 

Hmm no, I'm saying that the male LI don't magically fit some 'what women want' standard while Cassandra is totally unappealing to all men.

 

On the poll on this forum, Cassandra and Josephine are tied for 'most preferred LI to romance' and Cassandra is slightly ahead of Josephine in "interested in romancing at some point". I would say that people are overall pleased with the LIs based off of that.

[coldflame]

Hmm no, I'm saying that the male LI don't magically fit some 'what women want' standard while Cassandra is totally unappealing to all men.

 

On the poll on this forum, Cassandra and Josephine are tied for 'most preferred LI to romance' and Cassandra is slightly ahead of Josephine in "interested in romancing at some point". I would say that people are overall pleased with the LIs based off of that.

 

That's because they are the only ones available to male inquisitors. That and with the misguided social-justice squad petrolling this forum. Most people are probably just saying what is currently the "politically-correct" point of view. Therefore your claim on 'people are overall pleased with the LI' is debatable.

[pengwin21]

That's because they are the only ones available to male inquisitors. That and with the misguided social-justice squad petrolling this forum. Most people are probably just saying what is currently the "politically-correct" point of view. Therefore your claim on 'people are overall pleased with the LI' is debatable.

 

Cassandra and Josephie being tied refers to Cassandra not being 'inherently unattractive to the straight male gamer' or whatever compared to Josephine.

 

The pleased part comes from the third question- 58.7% are 'Very Happy Indeed' while 30.7% are 'Fairly Pleased'. Of course this only represents people who would voluntarily vote on BSN, but unless you have data from outside BSN you're just guessing at what people's preferences are based on your own opinion.

[cindercatz]

I like the point that women got what they wanted while men didn't.

 

Solas isn't exactly Richard Gere. He looks like Nosferatu. I'd compare him with Thane to be honest, fugly but "profound" and possibly all dramatic. And Cullen and Blackwall are about the same age as Cassandra. Josephine looks younger than the rest to me.

 

So is it only a "mature fetish" when the LI is a woman? Looks to me like those standards are pretty inequal themselves. We're quite used to see men going for younger women and women going for older men. It's tradition... inequal tradition. I'd say DA:I pushes for equality in fact by having all the LIs be roughly the same age. That age happens to be greater than in previous titles. I like that, personally, because I am aging as well. Btw, a 22 year old that wants to romance Wynne has a mature fetish. A 22 year old that wants to romance a 30 year old doesn't have a mature fetish. wtf. Your saying that makes me wonder if you're even over 20... but that ain't my business.

 

Question: are the inquisitors in their early twenties or will they be roughly the same age as Blackwall et al? I really see nothing to discuss if so. If the inquisitors are a lot younger, then women are already used to that scenario... men... well, we're seeing the reaction already. Oops. It's curious that there weren't many women complaining in 2010 when we got hot chicks while they got two aliens and Jacob. They tried it out. The Garrusmance proved to be quite fun. So take it as an opportunity to experience something new! Or just date Josephine if for you 30 years and short hair is just too much in a woman. Or do like me and go for a friendship instead. The Morrigan friendship was very nice.

 

You ask: what's wrong with liking women that are younger than Cassandra? Answer: Nothing. Something else was decided for this game however. There are plenty of more comfortable games that fit traditional standards better. It's a big world. There's room for many varied things. It's nice to have something somewhat different for a change. I wouldn't want to rescue nubile Triss and bed her in every game I play. Boooring.

 

I personally have zero problem with Cassandra's age, and I don't have a problem with her character overall, but it is highly questionable that she would be one of only two available choices against all the available males for straight characters in a vacuum. Think about it. She's got a pre-existing romance from her movie for one thing. She's overtly masculine in her features, demeanor, and yes, her role in the group dynamic. She spanks of an intentional inversion of what a traditionally female love interest would be. Then the feminine LI turns out to be the bisexual character. Ok, fine, but why? Would you consider any of the male options overtly effeminate? Excluding Dorian, who's not available to female characters. Then the lesbian character is also more feminine, tomboyish maybe. Then we have Vivi, who's obviously the most physically attractive, ultra-feminine, mysterious character, certainly would've been a unique option across all of gaming as far as I'm aware, and she's totally off limits? And she could have been BioWare's first black romanceable character. So why is all that? Nobody was flipping a coin.

 

So yeah, I have no problem with Cass as a character. She's got a great voice actress. But the obvious thought process that led to her deliberate selection as the only straight female option and one of two total against all the males for every niche, considering the cast we have and the development choices made.. That starts to feel like a slap in the face. That's why people are complaining. Like I said though, whatever, I'll live with it. I've always played around half female characters anyway. The male LIs are interesting at least. Hopefully this'll get the venom out of their system, and DA4 will be better. They'll still be entertaining, and Josy and Sera seem great.

 

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edit 2: That's also why I have difficulty playing a character for her romance personally. It's hard to seperate her character from the offensive social engineering in the background. And it's pointless denying it. If they open up that sixth Keep slot, I'll probably role a human noble for her. Be far enough out to let it slide, and I think she's pretty much a custom fit for the HN.

[MrMrPendragon]

A Cone of Cold spell that doesn't freeze everyone haha

 

That was one of my main beefs with DA2. Cone of Cold was my out whenever things got a little too hairy in DAO

[Morroian]

Apart from the 8 ability limit the emerging issue that mages appear to be reduced to being elementalists.

[Steelcan]

its too early to tell, but I'm sure the complaint list will be long

[Seraphim24]

I think all the romance and physical discussions will vanish like a cloud of smoke, and whatever flaws within the core gameplay mechanics and campaign story/characterization will be what people discuss.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I personally have zero problem with Cassandra's age, and I don't have a problem with her character overall, but it is highly questionable that she would be one of only two available choices against all the available males for straight characters in a vacuum. Think about it. She's got a pre-existing romance from her movie for one thing. She's overtly masculine in her features, demeanor, and yes, her role in the group dynamic. She spanks of an intentional inversion of what a traditionally female love interest would be. Then the feminine LI turns out to be the bisexual character. Ok, fine, but why? Would you consider any of the male options overtly effeminate? Excluding Dorian, who's not available to female characters. Then the lesbian character is also more feminine, tomboyish maybe. Then we have Vivi, who's obviously the most physically attractive, ultra-feminine, mysterious character, certainly would've been a unique option across all of gaming as far as I'm aware, and she's totally off limits? And she could have been BioWare's first black romanceable character. So why is all that? Nobody was flipping a coin.

 

So yeah, I have no problem with Cass as a character. She's got a great voice actress. But the obvious thought process that led to her deliberate selection as the only straight female option and one of two total against all the males for every niche, considering the cast we have and the development choices made.. That starts to feel like a slap in the face. That's why people are complaining. Like I said though, whatever, I'll live with it. I've always played around half female characters anyway. The male LIs are interesting at least. Hopefully this'll get the venom out of their system, and DA4 will be better. They'll still be entertaining, and Josy and Sera seem great.

 

edit: typos

edit 2: That's also why I have difficulty playing a character for her romance personally. It's hard to seperate her character from the offensive social engineering in the background. And it's pointless denying it. If they open up that sixth Keep slot, I'll probably role a human noble for her. Be far enough out to let it slide, and I think she's pretty much a custom fit for the HN.

 

This. So much this. People think I am hating on Cassandra as a character but the issue I have with her is that she is the straight male romance option but she possesses next to no qualities that appeal to the average straight male. 

 

Before someone comes here saying "Oh its your opinion, bla bla bla", look around you. How many straight males do you see around you who go for butch, short haired, brash, mid-30s women ? 

 

If your reply is "Well, this is to challenge the norms or something along those lines" well, why not extend the same courtesy to the straight female. Why not have straight female love interest that is a simpering, ugly beta male / omega male that straight women almost always despise? Challenging the norms right ? 

 

Flip the script and look at the followers / companions that will only romance female Inquisitors and you have Blackwall, Cullen, Solas. One is the masculine manly male, the second the nice guy and the third one the intelligent introverted male. All three appeal to the straight female. 

 

The hypocrisy, the political correctness and the social justice elements behind this double standard is what irks me. 

 

No matter. My male Inquisitors will go for Josephine. 

[Tymvir]

That it's not the Witcher 3. I love the Witcher games, but I swear there's a subset of Witcher fans who have nothing better to do than trash Bioware and Dragon Age in particular.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

That it's not the Witcher 3. I love the Witcher games, but I swear there's a subset of Witcher fans who have nothing better to do than trash Bioware and Dragon Age in particular.

 

They only do that in their own forum which is perfectly fine. 

[Uhh.. Jonah]

This. So much this. People think I am hating on Cassandra as a character but the issue I have with her is that she is the straight male romance option but she possesses next to no qualities that appeal to the average straight male.

Before someone comes here saying "Oh its your opinion, bla bla bla", look around you. How many straight males do you see around you who go for butch, short haired, brash, mid-30s women ?

If your reply is "Well, this is to challenge the norms or something along those lines" well, why not extend the same courtesy to the straight female. Why not have straight female love interest that is a simpering, ugly beta male / omega male that straight women almost always despise? Challenging the norms right ?

Flip the script and look at the followers / companions that will only romance female Inquisitors and you have Blackwall, Cullen, Solas. One is the masculine manly male, the second the nice guy and the third one the intelligent introverted male. All three appeal to the straight female.

The hypocrisy, the political correctness and the social justice elements behind this double standard is what irks me.

No matter. My male Inquisitors will go for Josephine.

So basically you are trying to justify your view on Cassandra by creating this assumption that all straight guys think like you do when it comes to women? The fact that Cassandra being an OPTION for you in the game, and you not being okay with that because it doesn't live up to your "straight male standards" is a little ridiculous.

Anyway, I think the only thing I will dislike is the multiplayer, but if I don't like it I'll just choose not to play it. I'm just a little skeptical on it.

[coldflame]

Cassandra and Josephie being tied refers to Cassandra not being 'inherently unattractive to the straight male gamer' or whatever compared to Josephine.

 

The pleased part comes from the third question- 58.7% are 'Very Happy Indeed' while 30.7% are 'Fairly Pleased'. Of course this only represents people who would voluntarily vote on BSN, but unless you have data from outside BSN you're just guessing at what people's preferences are based on your own opinion.

 

Hmm no, I'm saying that the male LI don't magically fit some 'what women want' standard while Cassandra is totally unappealing to all men.

 

On the poll on this forum, Cassandra and Josephine are tied for 'most preferred LI to romance' and Cassandra is slightly ahead of Josephine in "interested in romancing at some point". I would say that people are overall pleased with the LIs based off of that.

 

Here you even said it yourself that the poll only represented the people who visited this site and those that even 'bothered' to vote. Therefore, the data is not very representative of the people here at BSN let along people in general. I see that you are only quoting the percentages and not the actual number of votes which indicated that the number of people that actually voted was also low and not very representative. Anyway, I was just making a comment on how your perception of 'people overall' are pleased with male only LIs was built on a faulty assumption. A faulty assumption based on a biased data makes what you suggested no more than a guess/your own opinion compared to what I presented.

[Genshie]

 

 

Before someone comes here saying "Oh its your opinion, bla bla bla", look around you. How many straight males do you see around you who go for butch, short haired, brash, mid-30s women ? 

 

Excuse me? I don't think you are the viceroy/representative for straight males. Plus as a STRAIGHT male I don't think she looks butch at all. If anything Aveline is far more masculine than Cassandra is. (This isn't a slam on Aveline either since I very much liked her in DA2 and thought she was one of the best written characters)

[Ina]

 

If your reply is "Well, this is to challenge the norms or something along those lines" well, why not extend the same courtesy to the straight female. Why not have straight female love interest that is a simpering, ugly beta male / omega male that straight women almost always despise? Challenging the norms right ? 

 

Flip the script and look at the followers / companions that will only romance female Inquisitors and you have Blackwall, Cullen, Solas. One is the masculine manly male, the second the nice guy and the third one the intelligent introverted male. All three appeal to the straight female. 

 

Can I ask based on what are you making these sweeping assumptions about what the 'average straight female' wants? Mass media? People around you? or your own perspective? You do understand that none of these give an accurate view, right? And even if they did, let's say, try to appeal to the mass media ideal of what women want... aside from Cullen practically none of the others fit that mould (even then he's youngest at mid-30s, so what about a 20 year old inquisitor?). So this 'challenging the norms thing' is being extended to women from that perspective. Blackwall and Solas are in their 40s and IB is not conventional in any sense of the word. So exactly how do they all fit into the ideal male LI pedestal that appeal to the 'average straight female'? And that's not even going into saying things like 'almost all women want their men to be alpha and despise anything else'...despise? really?

 

I find LIs on both sides are varied and designed to appeal to a vast number of people rather than just one large group of people. There is always going to be someone who doesn't find the LIs attractive enough. There are plenty of people who love all the male LIs, only like some of them or none of them. The same goes for the female LIs.

 

You've decided you speak for most straight men and women when it's clearly not the case. Nor am I, nor is anyone else. Please stop.

[Delduwath Mordion]

Other peoples opinions about the game.

[Ina]

Other peoples opinions about the game.

 

lol. I like you. 

[coldflame]

Other peoples opinions about the game.

 

I think this sums it up quite nicely.

[simpatikool]

Waiting for it to release already is the main thing that has me all bothered. Really there is no excuse for this!!! 

[Shadowson]

That it's not a remake of Baldur's Gate.