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[Jaulen]

Lack of Neil Finn doing the closing credits song?

[Sidney]

What most normal people or most of the people who read this board? Those are two radically different questions. Normal people will gripe about something reasonable, this board goodness only knows.

[Itkovian]

Honestly? Everything.

 

Whenever a new AAA game is released, generally the game's forums will be overloaded with complaints about every single aspect of the game. It's the nature of the beast that absolutely the WORST place to go for information about a new game is its forums, because of the inherent negative bias involved (happy people tend to just play the game, whereas people who are upset will be the most vocal).

 

This happened with DAO, every ME game, pretty much any Bioware release in the last decade, despite all of them being massive successes.

 

So when DAI is released, these forums will turn into scenes of horrors that cannot be described, as every single dev choice made results in a subset of players being outraged about it. Heck, you ALREADY see this whenever any substantial info is released (check out the mage ability preview thread, for example).

 

So come the game's release, do not stare too deeply into the abyss that BSN will become....

[Beerfish]

Lack of Neil Finn doing the closing credits song?

A person after my own heart.  Double thumbs up for anything split enz, crowded house, Finn brothers, Neil Finn. 

[Steelcan]

In all seriousness, the combat is looking very restrictive and watered down

[DV-01]

The most prominent element to dislike from seeing the trailers is the highly saturated magic effects.. a touch of finesse if ya please goven'a. The fact we can't wear Cullen's helmet?

 

I would estimate one would be the treatment of one their favorite characters from the previous games..

 

All will be forgiven;)

[pengwin21]

Here you even said it yourself that the poll only represented the people who visited this site and those that even 'bothered' to vote. Therefore, the data is not very representative of the people here at BSN let along people in general. I see that you are only quoting the percentages and not the actual number of votes which indicated that the number of people that actually voted was also low and not very representative. Anyway, I was just making a comment on how your perception of 'people overall' are pleased with male only LIs was built on a faulty assumption. A faulty assumption based on a biased data makes what you suggested no more than a guess/your own opinion compared to what I presented.

 

Around 3,200 people filled out the poll a few weeks ago and likely more have done so since then. 3,200 is certainly a better data point than 1 (your opinion of how pleased people are). Run your own poll that contradicts the one we actually have and I might take your opinion seriously.

[Karlone123]

I'm rather happy about the lack of healing, I hated how I would spam healing potions and spells. It means I'll have to find other ways of surviving.

[cindercatz]

Around 3,200 people filled out the poll a few weeks ago and likely more have done so since then. 3,200 is certainly a better data point than 1 (your opinion of how pleased people are). Run your own poll that contradicts the one we actually have and I might take your opinion seriously.

 

The problems with that poll here, off the cup, are first that it's asking about the whole pool of female LIs, I believe it was before Vivi was excluded, and its respondent pool is/was 'BSN forumites', not 'straight male Dragon Age players playing straight male characters, who intend to replay the game at least x times'.

 

Sera I expect to be one of my favorite BioWare companions ever, I already like Josy, and I was certain Vivi would be an option, so I answered whatever the 'very pleased' option was. I intended to role characters for all four 3 males and 1 female (out of six PTs, the other 2 being females with male LIs). Well, that idea's scrap. If you asked me if I was pleased with the options for a single PT, I'd answer yes because I like Josy. That's an entirely different question.

 

Now ask me if I like my options as a straight male gamer who intends to role three male inquisitors, compared to female gamers' with female characters' options, my answer is no, I feel devalued and manipulated. It wouldn't have been as difficult or memory intensive to make Vivi an option for humans only and leave Iron Bull race gated as what the actually did with their extra time. Two less scenes and an extra VO session. Some extra writing, but less expensive overall I bet. But they chose not to, which tells me where their priorities are. It's not equal treatment.

 

And this has been an issue for a while. When Gaider's bringing up a derivative complaint at a convention months ago and proudly declaring his response as 'Well, tough' and worse with the excuse that straight male gamers are somehow 'priviledged', there's a problem. I've seen others use that arguement to dismiss complaints and fears since then. I'm personally not and never have been priviledged in any sense of the word, I don't care who you are, not for game selection or anything else, and when that prejudice starts resulting in a '****ty experience', I'll have a problem with that. If there was no issue there, it wouldn't be coming up so often. That poll wouldn't exist.

 

It's partly my fault though for keeping up with the game. I would be, well not oblivious, but less bothered, with their dev choices here if I wasn't aware of those prejudicial statements, or the us/them crusading on this board here and there. My fault for following it. I really want and expect to enjoy this game a great deal, but let's not pretend it's not harmful and everybody's just irrationally anxious about this stuff. It's not ever positive to marginalize whole segments of your consumer base, and regardless of who you are, it never feels good.

 

Anyway, that's all I want to say about it. Fair ye well.

[pengwin21]

The problems with that poll here, off the cup, are first that it's asking about the whole pool of female LIs, I believe it was before Vivi was excluded, and its respondent pool is/was 'BSN forumites', not 'straight male Dragon Age players playing straight male characters, who intend to replay the game at least x times'.

 

 

The poll no longer has Vivienne, although it did at one point. I don't see the issue with the second portion, do straight male gamers need their own poll for some specific reason?

 

I take issue with people deciding that straight male gamers overall are displeased because they personally as a straight male gamer are displeased. If you want to voice your own opinion on the matter fine, but don't speak for others with a lack of supporting evidence.

[cindercatz]

They do if you want to use the poll to make a point about that demographic, yes. My point is that poll is aimed at BSN users generally. It's not specific enough to be used as evidence about any kind of demograpic group other than interested BSN forumites, and even then you'd have to adjust the numbers for Vivi.

 

edit: If you could then find a correlation with general gamers, you could extrapolate that out.. Anyway, I'm not draconian about it. It is what it is.

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

From the sounds of it, most people will complain about the lack LIs for their vanilla-straight-white-male Inquisitors.  

 

Though seriously, who really plays that?  I play RPGs to get AWAY from the real world, and dull stuff like that.  I ALWAYS play people massively different to me in outlook and character.  Why would you want to just play yourself?  

[searunner]

As a straight white gamer I am annoyed... a little. Not by having fewer option for LI but simply because when I heard Eight I sorta came to the conclusion in my mind that I would have three options. Why? No idea just did, I coped and moved on. Its not a big deal. Just a game. I do find it annoying though that a lot of the arguments are degenerating into "check you privilege" . "I don't have privilege! ". "Yes you do".

Yes its a thing. But yes, this is technically """"unfair"""" (exteme quotes) But if this is what you choose to get worked up about I think that there might be better issues that could demand your energetic attention.

[cindercatz]

I don't play myself, but I'm not trying to get away from myself either. For me, cc is a creative exercise, where I'm trying to influence my story. I play both genders and all different personalities, but they're still something I'll hopefully enjoy playing. Every character has a spark of me in there somewhere though, until they write themselves. A lot of people really are playing a version of themselves though, and that has to be considered.

 

edit to above: We can make a rational arguement and have a point to make without getting worked up about it. I think it's been explained pretty well.

 

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[coldflame]

Around 3,200 people filled out the poll a few weeks ago and likely more have done so since then. 3,200 is certainly a better data point than 1 (your opinion of how pleased people are). Run your own poll that contradicts the one we actually have and I might take your opinion seriously.

 

It is post like this that made I wonder if people still read what others have posted.

 

it is extremely difficult to conduct an unbiased poll even by professionals in real-life. When you see a poll result it always have some degreed of bias build in to it. That is why it is so easy to design a poll to show a favourable trend towards what ever agenda you are trying to push. That is why during election time the polling results from different parties are always so different.

 

Since you are using the result of the LI poll as the gospel, let me just point out a few flaws in regard to the polling method it used.

1. Not all information in regard to the LIs were out when the poll started

2. Did not account for male to female voting ratio

3. Did not account for people that might have voted twice or more (via a different account or through proxy)

4. Did not account for the acessability of the poll (i.e. It wasn't in a readily accessable place for everyone, so only people who are actively looking to vote or someone who has got an agenda to push will vote)

...Plus the stuff I have posted in my previous post.

 

I am not saying that polling as a method to gather information is wrong (in fact it could be fun, well in regard to this context anyway), what I am saying is with a biased dataset like the LI poll, the result has no greater credibility than a random's opinion on the internet.

 

P.S. I sensed a hint of hostility here. I thought we were just having a delightful discussion about what people like as a LI or did I strike a nerve somehow?

[pengwin21]

It is post like this that made I wonder if people still read what others have posted.

 

it is extremely difficult to conduct an unbiased poll even by professionals in real-life. When you see a poll result it always have some degreed of bias build in to it. That is why it is so easy to design a poll to show a favourable trend towards what ever agenda you are trying to push. That is why during election time the polling results from different parties are always so different.

 

Since you are using the result of the LI poll as the gospel, let me just point out a few flaws in regard to the polling method it used.

1. Not all information in regard to the LIs were out when the poll started

2. Did not account for male to female voting ratio

3. Did not account for people that might have voted twice or more (via a different account or through proxy)

4. Did not account for the acessability of the poll (i.e. It wasn't in a readily accessable place for everyone, so only people who are actively looking to vote or someone who has got an agenda to push will vote)

...Plus the stuff I have posted in my previous post.

 

I am not saying that polling as a method to gather information is wrong (in fact it could be fun, well in regard to this context anyway), what I am saying is with a biased dataset like the LI poll, the result has no greater credibility than a random's opinion on the internet.

 

P.S. I sensed a hint of hostility here. I thought we were just having a delightful discussion about what people like as a LI or did I strike a nerve somehow?

 

It's a post like this that makes me wonder if people read what I have posted. I have acknowledged the poll as imperfect, but it is still better than 'random opinion'.

 

If people want to make the claim that straight males are unhappy with the LI choices overall, the burden of proof is on them. They have no evidence. If you want to provide some, get on that.

[cindercatz]

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[The Glen]

I can't make my character left handed?  THIS GAME SUCKS!!!

[Wolfen09]

Romance options, nobody will ever be satisfied.... (go with what the game gives you damnit, quit complaining)

 

All the religious stuff.... I.E. the chantry  (have no problem with it cause its part of the story, but some people take it way too seriously)

 

The ending (i didnt like the me3 ending, but i wasnt up in arms about it, i was like meh whatever....  people are gonna be gun shy after that, and i think its gonna hurt em)

[coldflame]

It's a post like this that makes me wonder if people read what I have posted. I have acknowledged the poll as imperfect, but it is still better than 'random opinion'.

 

If people want to make the claim that straight males are unhappy with the LI choices overall, the burden of proof is on them. They have no evidence. If you want to provide some, get on that.

This is very contridicting, you said that you acknowledged the shortcomings of the poll but you keep referring it as the absolute. You keep saying that the poll is 'better' than, but can you measure or quantify what is 'better'. If you cannot then isn't 'better than' just a subjective way of looking at a particular event or thing? May I also ask you this, is "...still better than..." you own opinion or a consensus from a 'poll' you got somewhere? If you got it from a poll, I would like to see it please.

 

Here you have done it again at generalising people, '...people want to make...', who are the people? People that visited this thread or forum or just people that are disagreeing with you? Do you have proof that those people were actually suggesting that straight males are unhappy about the LI option? Have you thought about maybe they were just pointing out the flaws in the poll and saying that the poll does not represent all straight males?

 

Also isn't it a bit unfair for you to tell others to provide evidence for their claims where you do not when you are the one making the claim?

[searunner]

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[searunner]

Sorry double post.

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The Bioware employee phrased it poorly about the "privilege" issue. I dont approve of the language or the implied (albeit only that) tone.


That aside my focus of education for my masters was and is deeply entwined with the issues that are being scratched at here. My point isn't that they don't exist or shouldn't be addressed. Just that being concerned about the LI balance in a game doesn't seem to be the best venue to approach the issue imho.

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[TheArchetype]

I dislike that they delayed the game a month  and are now releasing on the same day as GTA V (as well as Far Cry 4 and LBP 3). I love this series but they are gonna get destroyed. This looks like it may be the last game... its gonna get buried on opening release.

 

That delay could cost them more than they would ever know. Would expect another delay if they know whats good for them.... 

[AshesEleven]

Probably the comically bad writing, horrible art direction, ugly animations, Korean F2P MMO-tier combat, generic enemies, bloated UI, **** voice acting etc.

 

Sounds like you're  real fan!