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[Serza]

Probably the comically bad writing, horrible art direction, ugly animations, Korean F2P MMO-tier combat, generic enemies, bloated UI, **** voice acting etc.

 

Yup, it's raining now.

[cindercatz]

@searunner's post

-resolved-

My points again:
1. It is not right or fair, yes, for people of one persuasion to deride and marginalise people of another for stating their personal preferences in a romantic character, to attack them as somehow wrong or backward, while simultaneously promoting their own. Calling the kettle black. I'm calling out hypocracy. The stature of those involved is only relevant to how proportionally harmful it is.

2. Using certain game systems, intentionally at the expense of conservatively half your audience, to persue your personal social agenda which in the manner applied is intentionally adverse and confrontational to those you deliberately chose to underserve is not right, and shouldn't surprise you if that relationship is consequently degraded somewhat. The popular expectation to this is silence or derision of any not entirely supportive response. This is again hypocritical and aggressive.

3. Representation and access to content is good. Exclusion of large numbers of your audience and their needs with spite is not productive, helpful, or representative of equal treatment. Worse, equal treatment is expressly stated to not be the goal here. How could that possibly not be offensive when your (very broad) demographic is targeted? However, I expect most of us to live with it, being the generally liberal minded audience that we are, myself included.

4. Privilege. Heading up a major corporate production team and spearheading a global brand where thousands hold you up on a pedastal denotes a certain degree of privilege. Being followed home and attacked (largely because of inaccurate accusations of sexual orientation), having to scrap for everything you get, being seriously injured and recieving absolutely no assistance where multiple surgeries would be required if I were "privileged" because there's not enough money involved and having to pull myself through extreme pain for a decade, never mind having to rebuild my life from scrap, permanent resultant medical issues I have to pray to God don't kill me first without any exaggeration, is something else. Do you see why broad sweeping generalisations around sexual orientation are stupid?

edit to point for clarity:
I know somebody gonna scream "Whiner!" but whatever...

These are representative of multiple incidents throughout my life, not one causal to the other. I've literally had to fight from 5 to my 30s. I've been discriminated against and physically attacked by people of multiple races and both genders, been singled out in spite, damaged in the educational and professional realms by people of different orientations, while simultaneously treated with spite from that while I've been harassed and attacked for the same things. I seriously have a hard time even trying to count up the number of times I've been physically attacked and had to defend myself, and can't begin to count the harassment and social injustices. And I'm definitely not the only one. Everybody has some experience of it, or most. Move around enough outside the secure little pocket most people live in, and you'll see it everywhere. There's a lot of desperation out there. The only social clubs you could legitimately class me in are 'intellectuals', 'artists', and 'liberals', but I've been attacked for all three of those too. If I bring it up, there are always pampered people that deride and dismiss my experience because it doesn't jive with whatever their social doctrine is. Then when very serious things happen and my life is shattered, there's no outcry, no safety net, no sympathy from some ready made support system. That's unfortunately just life here and I have to deal with it. I just thank God there are people that love me. That's my lifeline.

-------My point here is that life's a ***** and people are individuals, and should be treated with equal value. I have very little patience with whatever the politically correct discrimination of the day is, or the excuses used to justify it. "Privilege" is a petty, common excuse, no better than the others. I know this is a game; I'm not going to get worked up about it, but the point needs to be made. People need to *truly* look in the mirror, maybe consider how good they've got it, before they try to justify discrimination against anybody.-------

5. Golden rule.


edits: typos and finished a point
e2: cleaned up some emotional response
e3: Clarity

[searunner]

Well, I simply disagree with the severity you take from the first 3 posts, so there is no point in addressing those.

Your 4th one. I am truly sorry for whatever happened to you. I have dealt with some similar stuff in the same vein. I am not going to try and convince you of that but just be aware its possible for similar occurrence or life events to affect people different

As for 5. I had never ever posted in any thread on DAI, until about 2 days ago. I have never targeted you Before over anything and frankly don't see the point in trolling. I happen to disagree that this is a injustice to straight males and have suffered through some terrible stuff while having my "privilege" Ill add as an aside.  

 

Edit out the pettiness 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Having to be Dalish if you want to be an elf. And then having to put a tattoo across your elf's face.

[cindercatz]

@searunner

 

Alright, man. Check your pm and get back to me.

 

Last point though: I never said some grave injustice was done. I'm asking for people to look in the mirror before they attack somebody with different preferences, and I'm explaining how that particular prejudice is effecting our game, which I'm not insensed about, but I don't approve of. That's my entire goal in the discussion.

[Avalonica]

1. The Keep is not "built into" DA:I from the start (no internet = no savegame import for you)

2. There is no way on "The Keep" to manually download a savegame directly for PC users (that might want it).

3. No co-op "offline mode"

4. No co-op LAN/Direct IP alternatives (EA servers die = all co-op die)

5. Pay-to-cheat (use real cash to get ingame-currency platinum)

[keyip]

If Bioware could make games half as well as they could push agendas...

 

My predictions - Lite on roleplaying mechanics, combat too twitchy, too much focus on romance, exploration dull. That being said I do anticipate it to be an enjoyable experience, I'm just not expecting the second coming.

[FaWa]

All answers can be summed up as "EA" lol

[PinkysPain]

Majority dislikes :

 

- Wahhh I wanted to kill all mages.

 

- Wahhh I wanted to create a magocracy.

 

My dislike :

 

- Wahhh, screw this grim dark **** ... I wanted to make mages immune to posession and create some defenses against blood magic so we could move beyond this boring conflict.

[themikefest]

didn't have enough information when making a decision that led to something bad, so the player had to reload an earlier save to pick something different to get the good outcome.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Just to balance things out, as a straight dude I like Cassandra Pentaghast very much. And I think it is good for fellow straight males to not let their horizons remain narrow and stagnated by traditional standards that frankly make no sense at all. In ME2, straight females got a dino-bird and a frog man as love interests. Now that's some challenge to old ideas. To a lesser extent Tali was the female counterpart to this. Sadly, she revealed a very traditionally pretty standard human face in ME3. I guess straight males would have cried too much otherwise.

 

 

What an odd thing to say. I don't know a single person who was happy with that botched photoshop of 'Tali'.

 

Back on topic, I don't see anything wrong with Cassandra either. People should wait til they meet her in game to draw opinions maybe.

 

Reading the rest of this thread, to answer the OP, romance options appears to be the biggest complaint.

[bmwcrazy]

Most likely, the ending(s).

[AlanC9]

1. The Keep is not "built into" DA:I from the start (no internet = no savegame import for you)
2. There is no way on "The Keep" to manually download a savegame directly for PC users (that might want it).
3. No co-op "offline mode"
4. No co-op LAN/Direct IP alternatives (EA servers die = all co-op die)
5. Pay-to-cheat (use real cash to get ingame-currency platinum)

Why would anybody be bothered by point 5? Anyone who plays any kind of MP must be used to this sort of thing by now, and it can't be a problem for SP.

[slimgrin]

If I get the game it'll be for combat, MP and to see Bioware's first attempt at large level design in a very long time. But already, I dislike the characters, who seem like a contrived attempt to be diplomatic to the fan base. I don't like their designs either. 

[AlanC9]

3. Representation and access to content is good. Exclusion of large numbers of your audience and their needs *with spite* is not productive, helpful, or representative of equal treatment. Worse, equal treatment is expressly stated to not be the goal here. How could that possibly not be offensive when your (very broad) demographic is targeted? However, I expect most of us to live with it, being the generally liberal minded audience that we are, myself included.

I know I'm coming in late here, but where does the "spite" come in?

[keyip]

Gaider's responses. 'Nuff said.

 

However I've never understood the original complaints against Bioware. Something about Bioware not catering for the straight audience when creating the romances, but it doesn't really interest me. My biggest problem with Bioware's romances was forcing Anders on you in DA2 - it got to the point where I no longer talk to him.

[mikeymoonshine]

I'm worried about the combat. 

 

The 8 abilities thing, the mages skill trees ect. 

 

other than that I think I am ok with everything. 

[aTigerslunch]

@TheArchtype, I don't see how a non-RPG will compete against an RPG.  Couple of those are remixes/updates to new consoles, that's a whatever to me personally. Some may wish it while others may prefer playing something new instead.

 

I don't see an issue with Inquisition sales, but neither of us are Bioware employees to know or see what may happen. They probably already know the thousands that preordered the game, pretty sure they do. 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Wait. Hold on. Stop the presses. I just heard there's no healing or out-of-combat regen in this game. What. The. **** ?!

NOOOOOOOOO!! Augh!! No!!

That's not true!

That's impossible!

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 15 septembre 2014 - 01:45 .

[Altima Darkspells]

Well, we already know people are flipping out because women are being represented in marketing.

[AshesEleven]

Well, we already know people are flipping out because women are being represented in marketing.

The nerve of bioware, shoving this horrid agenda down our throats!

[MissMayhem96]

I'm just glad that they have shown more with the female inquisitor than the male this time around. Almost all of the gameplay footage hadls been the female qunari mage and human warrior. Plus, a trailer narrated by Alix.

I do hope that they will give us a clip with the American voice.

[slimgrin]

Well, we already know people are flipping out because women are being represented in marketing.

 

Yeah, terrible. Except that's not true.

[aTigerslunch]

I find it funny that their is flipping out about females in marketing.  (I cant use the term I want without making it seem I would be degrading gay men when it isn't intentional so will leave it out.)

 

Makes me wonder about some men in general...

[SurelyForth]

Yeah, terrible. Except that's not true.

 

Yes, it is. There have been people on twitter acting like they didn't know you could play as a dude (as if) to the point where Alix had to clarify that you could. I've seen several youtube comments complaining about the use of female protags in the demos, and during E3 there was regular whining that they weren't showing enough male inquisitors. It has definitely been an issue and, if the female Inquisitor is featured in any of the upcoming trailers, I expect for it to be an even bigger issue because of all the ridiculous LI drama.