On a serious note, I think it'd be an awesome plotline to follow up on.
Especially if you get to talk about how lyrium addiction affected the Templar's thinking, strategies, and activities.
If the Templars don't have a steady supply of lyrium during the war, it might explain why/if some of them went postal.
Agreed. I hope you can also use it against them! Making them unorganized
On a serious note, I think it'd be an awesome plotline to follow up on.
Especially if you get to talk about how lyrium addiction affected the Templar's thinking, strategies, and activities.
If the Templars don't have a steady supply of lyrium during the war, it might explain why/if some of them went postal.
I agree. A dialogue in which Cullen tells the Inquisitor about it would be a fascinating addition. For now, as long as he takes his lyrium ration, he's perfectly capable of beating anyone, leading armies and making his own choices. But some years from now, the degenerative effects of lyrium addiction will start taking a serious toll on his body.
I'm sure some fans wouldn't like the idea very much, but it isn't really very different from what happens to any Grey Warden. Including our very PC in DA:O. Hell, we all know that Blackwall will have to get through his Calling in the future, be it in the game or not, and we accept it.
Uh, could you please avoid using that hashtag? It's used merely to dismiss Cullenite concerns instead of addressing them.
Sorry for going off topic, but who is the person in your avatar?
I assume Lyrium is like any other drug. There's plenty of perfectly functional addicts who take it regularly and aside from the occasional odd action or mood swing, many people don't even notice.
However, there's also people who after just a few doses will be willing to anything for it.
I doubt those last long in the Templars.
The whole point of the lyrium addiction in Templars is that they are perfectly okay provided they keep taking it. In a way it was a form of control that the Chantry had over them. Samson said how awful it was coming off it but I suspect that he was still getting his fix via the smugglers or he wouldn't have been so lucid. Either that or he had only been on it a short time when chucked out of the Templars by Meredith, so was able to come off it and remain sane. In Origins the Templar in the Denerim dungeon was in a very bad way after being deprived of lyrium. The codices also state that its effects are degenerative over time, which is why some of the older Templars we encounter in the games seem a bit odd and not in possession of all their marbles.
In Asunder Evangeline says to Wynne, after she had left to the Templars, that she had about a week before she was going to be useless to them. It also mentions that one of her duties as a Templars was to crack down on the smuggling of lyrium and that as a result she was aware of where she could get lyrium illegally and so maintain her dosage. So I would imagine the same applies to Cullen and that is how he has been able to maintain his dosage. I would imagine the same comment also applies to Cassandra, since a Seeker is just a high level Templar. As Cullen would appear to have remained loyal to the Divine and Cassandra was in Kirkwall and knows he is genuine, I would think they both get their supplies from Chantry stores.
I don't think that's how Lyrium withdrawal works, Gervais.
You don't become a drooling idiot unable to form coherent sentences if you go off it.
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Seriously speaking, I see lyrium much more as doping and steroids than drug. It's used for strengtening your abilities not for getting high ^^;
Samson the Templar proves otherwise if reinstated.
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We all know that Cullen (and maybe Cassandra?) will be getting illicit lyrium through Varric's Merchant Guild 'connections'. I hope we get to experience it in game or that it's at least alluded to. Would certainly add a nice bit of world building.
I feel like the lyrium issue should come up at some point because most templars won't be able to get their hands on it anymore, Especially Cullen if he's helping us out.
We all know that Cullen (and maybe Cassandra?) will be getting illicit lyrium through Varric's Merchant Guild 'connections'. I hope we get to experience it in game or that it's at least alluded to. Would certainly add a nice bit of world building.
I wouldn't mind it being alluded to, but I hope it's not a major part of Cullen's character arc. The man has enough of an conflicted/angsty background as it is. Any more and it would start to feel soap opera-y to me. *shrugs*
According to the wiki, lyrium addiction effects Mages and Templar...so if you want it implemented in game, remember that if you play a mage and use potions regularly, you'd be in more trouble than a Templar taking a controlled dose. Alistair in DAO offers the cynical idea that Templar do not in fact need lyrium to use their skills, but that the Chantry may have deliberately addicted them to keep them under control.
I'm personally more interested in keeping toxic red lyrium as far away from my people as possible...
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I wouldn't mind it being alluded to, but I hope it's not a major part of Cullen's character arc. The man has enough of an conflicted/angsty background as it is. Any more and it would start to feel soap opera-y to me. *shrugs*
Right, I get that. I want it to be reflective of Thedosian society as a whole (lyrium smuggling and it's ripples) and less about Cullen himself. He isn't the only former Templar addicted to lyrium after all.
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According to the wiki, lyrium addiction effects Mages and Templar...so if you want it implemented in game, remember that if you play a mage and use potions regularly, you'd be in more trouble than a Templar taking a controlled dose. Alistair in DAO offers the cynical idea that Templar do not in fact need lyrium to use their skills, but that the Chantry may have deliberately addicted them to keep them under control.
I'm personally more interested in keeping toxic red lyrium as far away from my people as possible...
If Dagna was right about mages already having lyrium in their blood they'd probably have a higher tolerance to lyrium than non-mages. This is speculation obviously, but it makes sense IMO.
I don't think that's how Lyrium withdrawal works, Gervais.
You don't become a drooling idiot unable to form coherent sentences if you go off it.
The Templar at the end of Origins in Howes dungeon seems to imply just that. He is the only Templar we have seen in game that was taken off it cold turkey. And he was a drooling incoherent mess.
The Templar at the end of Origins in Howes dungeon seems to imply just that. He is the only Templar we have seen in game that was taken off it cold turkey. And he was a drooling incoherent mess.
I thought that was also torture.
I think the reason people are focused on Cullen when they talk about the lyrium addiction is because he's an important character in the game (as your advisor) and a former templar. Truthfully, I think most of his character arc should go with his progressive view of mages and templars, particularly the Red Templars. But, if they add in the lyrium addiction, ESPECIALLY if he gets captured in Redcliffe if we send him and they deprive him of the lyrium, it would be interesting to see with his development.
According to the wiki, lyrium addiction effects Mages and Templar...so if you want it implemented in game, remember that if you play a mage and use potions regularly, you'd be in more trouble than a Templar taking a controlled dose. Alistair in DAO offers the cynical idea that Templar do not in fact need lyrium to use their skills, but that the Chantry may have deliberately addicted them to keep them under control.
I'm personally more interested in keeping toxic red lyrium as far away from my people as possible...
I play a mage all the time and I hardly ever use lyrium potions, Just put points in willpower.
I play a mage all the time and I hardly ever use lyrium potions, Just put points in willpower.
Considering how many spells I use with my character, I think my characters would be really addicted to the mess. XD
Just pointing out that the original Wiki entry says use of lyrium potions for mages decrease the effectiveness of lyrium, so they'd end up taking more and more over time, and that it causes physical mutation in Mages. Not my opinion, straight from Dragon Age Wiki. What you do in game is up to you, but asking for implementation of lyrium addiction effects more than Cullen, and Cassandra, ...all the Mage NPCs would be effected.
I would be interested in if the addiction caused issues for Cullen at Redcliffe, but I'll have to rely on youtube for that info...since I'd never send Cullen on that mission, nor Leliana for that matter...sorry Josephine is being sent to warn the King of Nevarra instead...tactically a better move, though she may also end up captured...we don't know much more than one of the 3 advisors may be captured depending on your decision.
Repeated exposure to processed Lyrium results in dementia, paranoia, and obsession.
So the important thing to do is give to this in large amounts to a bunch of religious fanatics with vaguely defined military authority.
God, I love Thedas.
The guy who came up with this plan had to be from Kirkwall.
You know it.
Well it worked for the past thousand years or so.
Hm... it's a shame that so much of the lore has to suffer because of the gameplay. Things like lyrium addicted Templars are what make the franchise unique. It sounds like that could have been an interesting addition to Alistair's character in DA:O, and even the Warden if they chose to follow that path...
Yep shame.
Would have enjoyed doing Lyrium lines off the tatas of Chantry sisters with a hardened Alistar, but alas my bromantic fantasy is unfulfilled.
Wonder if future Dragon Age games will implement a lyrium addiction mechanic in say a DLC?
Well mages seem to be even less tolerant towards lyrium than normal people if the wiki is right:
"Mages cannot even approach unprocessed lyrium. Doing so is invariably fatal."
"Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation." (prolonged use).
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lyrium
Maybe popping too many potions isn't good for mage quizzys.
Well mages seem to be even less tolerant towards lyrium than normal people if the wiki is right:
"Mages cannot even approach unprocessed lyrium. Doing so is invariably fatal."
"Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation." (prolonged use).
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lyrium
Maybe popping too many potions isn't good for mage quizzys.
now that would be a great gameplay mechanic. Use 1000 lyrium potions grow a third arm!
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Well mages seem to be even less tolerant towards lyrium than normal people if the wiki is right:
"Mages cannot even approach unprocessed lyrium. Doing so is invariably fatal."
"Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation." (prolonged use).
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lyrium
Maybe popping too many potions isn't good for mage quizzys.
Yeah that's straight up unrefined lyrium from the Dust Town mines. The stuff companions are guzzling down has a very small concentration of already refined lyrium.
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