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[Master Warder Z_]

Doesn't Allistair say he was recruited into the wardens right before they had him start taking lyrium though?

 

Which doesn't make sense considering you cannot use templar abilities and talents without using lyrium.

[Muspade]

Which doesn't make sense considering you cannot use templar abilities and talents without using lyrium.

You can. They are just less powerful. He says that too.

You should go through that dialogue again.

[Basement Cat]

You can. They are just less powerful. He says that too.

You should go through that dialogue again.

That was apparently retconned in one of the comics.

[Master Warder Z_]

You can. They are just less powerful. He says that too.

You should go through that dialogue again.

 

That entire thing was retconned by Gaider.

 

It still amazes me even today, just how much lore people have missed because it was changed after DAO.

[Muspade]

 

Retconned you say? Well, that's terribly annoying considering it's blatantly stated in the original game, that it isn't the case.

[Master Warder Z_]

Here ya go baldy.

 

Even if Templar magic was recognized as spellcasting, it’s not innate to the Templars, if they just stopped taking lyrium eventually they would lose the ability. Although as Alistair proves, they can use the ability for a long time afterwards. I think part of that was just the requirements of gameplay, for us to have a specialization as well, so some of that story doesn’t quite match up with the gameplay, and I think eventually we’d like to work the lyrium requirement back into the gameplay as well.

 

http://swooping-is-b...om/1286233.html

 

From a page ago ._.

[Muspade]

 

 

It was retconned. New lore always supersedes old lore unless stated otherwise. It's an unwritten law of canonicity. 

 

 

Hard for people who don't have access to comics to keep up.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hard for people who don't have access to comics to keep up.

 

Wasn't mentioned in a comic, Gaider does a lot of retcons via interview and blogs.

 

Like the one i just showed.

[Muspade]

Wasn't mentioned in a comic, Gaider does a lot of retcons via interview and blogs.

 

Like the one i just showed.

 

And I am reading it right now. Still is terribly inconvenient and I could understand why many, including me, are clueless to this fact.

It's not very open.

[Chiramu]

Um, I dunno but... I lurk in the Cullen thread from time to time and it doesn't look like his fans are really fond of the idea. 

 

Not a lyrium addict maybe, but all templars have to take lyrium because otherwise they get withdrawals. Like with how Evangeline was written, Cullen will need lyrium.

[HiroVoid]

Believe me, I know. Warder said the same thing. I think that if they're (whoever) going to do something that's EU they should do it with their in-house lore bible right next to their laptop. EU shouldn't effect what's already been established in the games in a negative way. But hey, what do I know?

I'm pretty sure its a retcon they have planned for Dragon Age: Inquisition as well.  It just showed up as the case in a comic first.

[Willowhugger]

I found it annoying, to be honest. I rather liked the idea that lyrium was unnecessary as it made the Chantry look more manipulative and indicated ANYONE could learn magic with sufficient training.

[Ravensword]

Retcon all the things!

[Sir DeLoria]

That's a pretty stupid retcon, the story was way more interesting the original way.

[Muspade]

It does make sense that a normal person not born a mage would not suddenly be able to cast anti-magic out of nowhere without some sort of middle man.

I am okay with this.

[Urazz]

<.< No judges Alistair this harshly for lying to the PC the entire game and getting high behind your back.

 

Cullen will probably be fairly straight forward about it.

Blame Wynne.  We all know she was his dealer and demanded he keep quiet about it. 

[Ravensword]

That's a pretty stupid retcon, the story was way more interesting the original way.

Even more stupid is that it was retconned via a blog post. The fact that a post on Tubmblr can retcon established lore is ignominious as well.

[Tarvesh]

Doesn't Alistair tell you that Lyrium isn't actually needed to perform the abilities that the Templars wield?

 

Like any addiction, Lyrium can be overcome. Look at the former Templar from DA2. He wasn't twitching or anything else.

[EmperorSahlertz]

That's a pretty stupid retcon, the story was way more interesting the original way.

No... It really wasn't. It painted the Chantry as waaaaay too much of a mustache twirling villain, who did things just be evuuuuuuuul.

 

This way is superior narratively speaking, since BioWare are going for the "no side is right" kind of deal.

[QueenofFereldan]

No... It really wasn't. It painted the Chantry as waaaaay too much of a mustache twirling villain, who did things just be evuuuuuuuul.

This way is superior narratively speaking, since BioWare are going for the "no side is right" kind of deal.

Totally agreed. The Chantry isn't innocent completely, but for people to want them evil...it's crazy. I was initially like that because I supported the mages more and felt pity for their situation. But then I realize the good people in the Templar and Chantry, as well as the crazy mages.

So to have the lyrium not used to make the Chantry evil is a plus in my book. Plus, if the non-mages had some kind of magical properties...wouldn't that still make them mages?

[Icy Magebane]

Totally agreed. The Chantry isn't innocent completely, but for people to want them evil...it's crazy. I was initially like that because I supported the mages more and felt pity for their situation. But then I realize the good people in the Templar and Chantry, as well as the crazy mages.

So to have the lyrium not used to make the Chantry evil is a plus in my book. Plus, if the non-mages had some kind of magical properties...wouldn't that still make them mages?

No.  Being aware while in the Fade is what makes a person a mage in Dragon Age, no matter what supernatural powers they may have or how they acquired them.  Obviously being sent into the Fade by the Sloth Demon, Marethari, etc. doesn't count...  I'm talking about when mortals dream.

[riverbanks]

Even more stupid is that it was retconned via a blog post. The fact that a post on Tubmblr can retcon established lore is ignominious as well.

 

It wasn't just on tumblr, to be fair. In the collected edition of the comics there is marginalia that states Alistair has started taking lyrium again to use his Templar abilities. Using again = used some day.

 

Standard disclaimer applies that the comics are a sliding doors adaptative reality not an alternate universe; events still happened even if we have to mentally adjust them to our playthroughs so it is still as "canon" as it can be, etc. Point is, we have new canon retconning old canon, not just blog posts.