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[PsychoBlonde]

I had an evil thought that I'd like to share with ya'll.  So, what if they did something like this:

 

You get varying options for who to support for the rulership of Orlais between Celene or Gaspard (or perhaps some version of Both or Neither, or "I think it's time for a republican gov't here").  What if one of the options looked like this:

 

If you want real, lasting political stability in the area, the way to achieve it is to do the following: you have to put the person on the Orlesian throne who can marry the person you put on the Ferelden throne in Origins.  So, if you have Alistair on the Ferelden throne, to achieve lasting peace, you have to put Celene on the Orlesian throne and they have to get married.  Or if you put Anora on the Ferelden throne, you have to put Gaspard on the Orlesian throne and convince them to get married.  I'd find that interesting, because it might put you in a situation where to enthrone people you like, you wind up setting them against each other (say, if you liked both Anora and Celene--they wind up fighting with each other.)

 

But here's the super-evil thought.  REAL lasting peace means having a direct heir.  Celene was not too thrilled with that idea in The Masked Empire, and Alistair probably isn't all that fertile anyway since he's an ex-Warden.  So maybe the BEST best option would be Gaspard + Anora, resulting in an heir for the merged countries.

 

Who would be willing to day "I hate both of them, but it's worth it for the future peace of the region?"

 

Interesting, no?  And the cool (and evil) part to me is that they could actually do that!  It'd be a neat and significant carry over of who you made the ruler of Ferelden, but it probably wouldn't have a dramatic effect on events in the game so they could actually pull it off.

[jtav]

One problem. Al and Anora can marry each other.

[Willowhugger]

The problem is that peace with Orlais and Fereldan means war with Nevarra as that's Celene's gambit.

And avoiding that, means war between Orlais and Fereldan.

 

It's not so much "Beheln will help the Casteless but screw the rich" as "one country will get screwed, choose which."

[Senya]

Senior Warden Loghain would like a word with you.

So would Prince Cousland.

[Willowhugger]

Also, this sounds like an astoundingly bad idea.

 

As Fereldan merging with Orlais-nobility seems like it would just mean the monarchy becomes a Orlaisian one while the Fereldan nobility are minimized in their power-base.

 

This has happened a LOT in history and it usually means civil-war with the foreign monarchs able to draw on their mother nations' armies.

[Allaiya]

Alistair is already married to my Warden queen.

[Saberchic]

Alistair is already married to my Warden queen.

Same here. So that'll be a no-go OP.

[Willowhugger]

I do think there's going to be downsides to siding over Duke Gaspard or Celene.

Fereldan is likely to pay the price either way.

[Maria Caliban]

I... wouldn't much care.

Stability in Orlais or Ferelden will last until Dragon Age 4 comes out.

[Vapaa]

No.

[leaguer of one]

Why has no one pointed out that Anora can't have kids yet?

[Willowhugger]

Why has no one pointed out that Anora can't have kids yet?

 

Callan may have been the one who was infertile.

 

And, bluntly, Alistair is possibly infertile too.

[riverbanks]

Why has no one pointed out that Anora can't have kids yet?

 

We don't know that she can't. It might have been her, it might have been Cailan. We'll never know. It might be they weren't even trying. The way Anora talks about Cailan, and the endgame slides mention her never wanting another man because none compares to her father or something like that, nothing really screams healthy sex life between the two.

[Senya]

Why has no one pointed out that Anora can't have kids yet?

Because it is strongly suspected that Cailan May have been infertile considering there is a lack of bastards running around. Besides Alistair.

[leaguer of one]

Callan may have been the one who was infertile.

 

And, bluntly, Alistair is possibly infertile too.

Alistair has a chance of having kids. He just can't do it with another warden.

[Willowhugger]

Alistair has a chance of having kids. He just can't do it with another warden.

 

It's a pretty small chance as is.

 

Which is why the Queen Warden must murder Morrigan and steal her Old God Baby to raise.

Or sleep with Cullen.

:-)

[leaguer of one]

It's a pretty small chance as is.

 

Which is why the Queen Warden must murder Morrigan and steal her Old God Baby to raise.

Or sleep with Cullen.

:-)

It's school days all over again.

[dekarserverbot]

We don't know that she can't. It might have been her, it might have been Cailan. We'll never know. It might be they weren't even trying. The way Anora talks about Cailan, and the endgame slides mention her never wanting another man because none compares to her father or something like that, nothing really screams healthy sex life between the two.

I always thought those 2 had some kind of incest relationship, specially if you question Loghain about this he inmediatly turns hostile and  refuses to touch the topic. Cailan was just a kid (I think he was even more childish than Alistair) so Anora making fool of him is more likely to happen.

[PsychoBlonde]

One problem. Al and Anora can marry each other.

 

It's not a problem, merely a possibility.  In which case, you might be able to convince one of them to abdicate, or not.

[PsychoBlonde]

The problem is that peace with Orlais and Fereldan means war with Nevarra as that's Celene's gambit.

And avoiding that, means war between Orlais and Fereldan.

 

It's not so much "Beheln will help the Casteless but screw the rich" as "one country will get screwed, choose which."

Source?  I read Masked Empire, don't recall Celene pushing war with Nevarra as an active "gambit".  The Nevarrans were making aggressive noises and pushing the border, but that'd be a problem *regardless* of who takes the throne.

 

Also, if you read my post (and this is remotely accurate), you just choose to put Gaspard on the throne and have him marry Anora.  I'd find that an interesting combo, personally.  It'd put paid to Gaspard's ambitions viz Ferelden (the main objection to putting him on the throne in the first place), and Anora might find that Gaspard is just the kind of scary competent dude she's been looking for in a husband.

[PsychoBlonde]

Also, this sounds like an astoundingly bad idea.

 

As Fereldan merging with Orlais-nobility seems like it would just mean the monarchy becomes a Orlaisian one while the Fereldan nobility are minimized in their power-base.

 

This has happened a LOT in history and it usually means civil-war with the foreign monarchs able to draw on their mother nations' armies.

Orlais is an Empire, not a monarchy, and an Imperial throne is not the same thing as a regular monarchy.  The different political bodies that make up an Empire very OFTEN have different power schemes and different political structures.  There could be a lot of benefits to this approach of uniting the two countries:

 

1.  Ferelden nobility and other landowners would have legal standing in Orlais and legal appeal directly to the Imperial head for redress.  Currently since the nobles of both countries are much at odds, any complaint made to the Empress or Emperor or demand for redress can be taken for a threat or an insult.  There's a whole scene about precisely this problem early on in The Masked Empire.

2.  The freeing up of trade (and the pivotal position of Orzammar as along the main overland trade route between the countries) would be good for all three countries.  Ferelden needs to ramp its economy up to recover from the Blight, and opening up of trade will accomplish that.  Orlais needs security and stability, and having a peaceful border will accomplish THAT.

3.  It will give whoever winds up with the Imperial throne in Orlais an excuse to crack down on their opposition among the nobles in the name of "securing Orlesian hegemony" or similar.  This is horrible, but this kind of PR is also an indispensable part of running an empire.  The Game being what it is, if you want to dominate the opposition instead of being dominated by them, you need a good excuse for your unconscionable actions.  You can't purge your political opposition without an excuse that at least sounds good, and you can't afford to leave them where they can stab you in the back, either.

4.  The Orlais/Ferelden federation will then dominate the ENTIRE southern end of the Waking Sea.  If they can pull Kirkwall and a few of the other Free Marches cities into a further political alliance (probably pretty simple just to offer them open trade and an alliance against future Qunari incursions) they will basically be in a position to completely dominate all trade AND military uses of those waters, giving them a fantastic chokehold on any attempt by the Qunari to assault the region.  Similar dominance of the Mediterranean was instrumental to the development first of the Phoenicians and later the Romans.  It's a fantastic opportunity not to be scorned.  With open access to the Amaranthine ocean, the free movement of Orlesian wealth could lead to immense economic growth of the entire south of Thedas.

5.  Economic growth will also lead to the improvement of the Orlesian/Ferelden/Free Marches NAVY and give a huge, vigorous boost to the efforts against one thing all three nations (well, two nations and one confederation) are VIGOROUSLY against: slavery.  The enormous growth of the anti-slavery sector of Thedas will being the rapid marginalization of the Tevinter Imperium slave economy and become the most efficient means to that practice's eventual demise.

 

Of course, managing all this in the face of what is sure to be RABID opposition among Ferelden and Orlesian nobles alike is bound to be difficult.  But this is the Inquisition.  They eat difficult for BREAKFAST.

[Willowhugger]

Well, on my end, my Inquisitor will do everything in his power to prevent Fereldan from becoming part of the Orlaisian monarchy and, if he can, will try to weaken Orlais in some way.

[Shadow Fox]

Meh I'd rather lock Anora,Briala,Gaspard and Celene in a room and let them kill each other.

[Ajna]

I just want everyone to be friends! *skips off into the forest*