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Taiyama wrote...

 Author's note: Ah. Alistair and Taiyama. Theirs is a snarky bromance. There's actually a story behind this. See, you get different things said to you by this one female dwarf in Dust Town depending on your gender. While I was replaying Taiyama recently, I ran up and talked to her for the lulz, expecting to hear the usual response for a male--"Hey there, honey. Two bits for a tumble, a silver if you all want to go at once."--which I had gotten the first time I played Taiyama but this time, in a case of a Good Bad Bug I got the reply for women, which you can see up there. I laughed thinking about how Taiyama would respond to this case of confused gender and decided to write this for you lot.

Also, I'll probably have a few more short stories like this up later tonight. Definitely one, maybe two.

This was hilarious. I finally found this story, so now I get to read the actual and the one without Taiyama. As usual I really enjoy your work.
I would definitely like to read the story about the 'bromance' you mentioned here...something that has to do with the bond they share as Wardens, I take it? Anything that tells what people think of this is interesting to me.  Image IPB

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Author's Note: You know, in the Landsmeet no matter who you choose, the new ruler will name you the general of his/her armies. I figured that it would be a very silly thing to do if the Warden didn't have strategic experience so I've written Taiyama as having a very great talent for generalship and tactics. It's here in Redcliffe where he first shows his natural talent. He eventually in my mind gains enough experience leading that he becomes a general on par with Loghain. I kinda have this thing in my mind where Taiyama is sort of the new Loghain to Alistair's Maric.

You know, after reading David Gaider's books I will have to say one thing that is different and better about Taiyama: he didn't betray Alistair like that a-hole Loghain did to Maric and then Cailan. Taiyama is 1000x better than Loghain, and if you read the books the only good plan he actually ever came up with was the one he had when he joined the Rebel Army. All the other plans he had were stolen from Maric...

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Heh, I suppose that makes Loghain's general abilities a sort of Informed Ability, eh? Though I'm sure Alistair would argue that Taiyama sparing Loghain at the Landsmeet is a betrayal. And both do harden their respective princes up, though in Taiyama's case it's more "Believe in yourself, stand up for yourself!" and in Loghain's case it's more "Rarghleblarghle Justicejustice she deserved it KILL YOUR FEELINGS!" And as you'll see later, Taiyama hates the word "justice". He far prefers mercy.

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Informed Ability...pretty much fits it, yes.
LOL Maybe Taiyama doesn't realize that a strong sense of justice has already been instilled in Alistair...by who I don't know, but it's there.
That's why Taiyama spared Loghain...prefers mercy over justice (reason dawns Image IPBImage IPB). Yes, Alistair would have killed him...and I let Alistair do the honors...
You know, in that scene, Alistair actually looks at the PC and doesn't do it until the PC nods approval, and then he does it without the slightest bit of malice in his expression...it almost looks like sorrow. It's like he knows it has to be done, yet it is going to darken his soul a bit. It's interesting.

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Wow! I just listened to Spirit Never Dies for the first time...then found the lyrics and read as I listened the second time...
Awesome and it fits so many of the situations you find yourself in in DA...maybe even RL
I couldn't figure out which video to listen to on that page you link led to for Taiyama's voice....
You really like TV tropes don't you? Image IPB

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Taiyama does realize Alistair's strong sense of justice while he's traveling with them, but he's hardly the type to really let it bother him--after all, he kinda lets Zevran's assassin stuff slide. Not until Alistair starts pitching fits over Taiyama letting people like Zevran and Shale into the party, that is. Needless to say, he also has similar problems with Justice in Awakening.

But yeah, Taiyama's big on second chances. It's not actually something that was really part of his character before the journey started, though. It's something he learned from Leliana. She was always big on giving people second chances--she wants to give Jowan, a blood mage and therefore sworn enemy of the Chantry, a religion she very much identifies with, a second chance when Alistair doesn't. But because of Leliana, Taiyama becomes the type to give second chances to pretty much anyone who he thinks would take it. Heck, he'd even give Hitler a second chance.

And actually it appears that the video that I used to show how Taiyama's voice sounds has been taken down due to copyright issues (Blargh, I hate copyrights sometimes). I'll have to find another one. Thanks for pointing that out, though.

And yes, I'm quite a big fan of Tvtropes.

Edit: Changed the video and the time that the two voices show in the video. Basically, it's Yuri Lowenthal's softer, boy voice that Taiyama pre-Circle Tower has (exemplified in younger Simon in the video) while his more confident, deeper voice that Taiyama post-Circle Tower has (exemplified in older Simon in the video). And I highly recommend the show that they're from, of course. It's my favorite show of all time and often dramatically affects my writing style, many times in ways I don't even notice for a while. You can watch the whole show there on Youtube.

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I don't mind giving second chances where some things are concerned, such as blood mages. But giving Loghain a second chance is going to cause all kinds of problems with Alistair and Alistair will consider it a betrayal if you go so far as to make Loghain a Grey Warden.

Give Hitler a second chance...you're hilarious...lol

No problem, just letting you know, I couldn't find that voice video. I should have checked it out earlier...but who knew

Yuri Lowenthal...you know, if I saw him I would probably recognize him but I have a terrible time connecting actor's names and faces. It's a good thing it's on UTube because I let my satellite TV go last year. It's too expensive ($75.00 US / month) and I can use the money for better things.

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Yeah, I hated losing Alistair when I had Taiyama spare Loghain (heck, I buckled and offed Loghain in my first playthrough because I didn't want to lose Alistair), but doing anything else was really out-of-character for him. He's not the type to back down and kill someone who surrendered and can be useful no matter what kind of hissy fit Alistair throws.



Yeah, I'm definitely considering getting rid of my own tv service. God knows I actually watch tv, like, once every ten months. It's a waste of money, really.

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By the way, guys. Quick update while I post all of my crap on deviantart, but a lady on deviantart was doing chibis of different Wardens for free, so obviously I signed up. Here's Taiyama in all his chibi glory: http://lovelovegirl....llery/#/d2qmtia



She mentions that he looks like he's discoing, which I think is rather hilarious. Didn't mean for that connotation to arrive but it'd be quite funny to see Taiyama disco, eh?

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Indeed, it would quite hilarious...but cute!

I just looked at it...IT'S ADORABLE! I saved it to put in my pictures folder where I put all the good Alistair (and other) art.Image IPB

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Yeah, she did a very good job on it, I must say. Leliana is especially pretty.



By the way, i spent hours last night formatting all of the Tales of Taiyama Surana to work on deviantart and have uploaded the saga so far on there, which you can find here: http://taiyama.devia...-Taiyama-Surana From now on I'll be uploading my work up there as well as on Maker's Breath and here.

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Cool!

Yeah, Leli was really pretty...my daughter asked me who the girl was and I told her...she said "Wow! She's prettier than on the game!" I laughed thinking that Taiyama would disagree with her...

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OMG it's me...the 'lady' from deviant art hee hee hello Taiyama

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@SRWill64: Taiyama would probably keep his mouth shut, knowing if he opened it that he'd manage to tick off ONE of the Lelianas :P



@Wolframkyo: Ah, lovelovegirl on deviantart, correct? Awesome, welcome to the thread! Sorry if being called "lady" bothers you--I know it kind of bothers DalishRanger--but it's just my Southern upbringing showing.





All right, ladies and gentlemen, there's something I want to discuss. I've recently decided to not do another part of "A Bond Forged in Fire" because, honestly, I don't see the point. I ended it on a great note in my eyes--with Taiyama full of vigor and believing in himself because of Leliana, and even having done a title-drop in the fifth part--and all that would be left to do is cut-and-paste the bed dialogue with Taiyama's answers (Spoiler warning: He totally doesn't get her hints and talks about writing in his journal). I've also decided not to write out his origin either (Again, it's a case of "If you're so curious about what happens, play through it yourself and imagine Taiyama's character acting through it").



Here's the non-game interesting stuff you'll miss:



1. In the origin story, Taiyama thinks that Valor (the spirit you meet and can duel in the Harrowing) is extremely familiar but just can't place where he saw him. Valor is actually Taiyama's spirit guardian a la the Spirit of Hope is to Wynne. Ironic in the beginning, but Taiyama eventually lives up to it (and it's only after the Circle Tower he gets Spirit Healer powers).



2. In the now-cancelled last "Bond Forged in Fire", they have the Stars discussion and Taiyama at one point points up to the moon and says that mankind should go there someday. At Leliana's reservations that it may not be possible, Taiyama responds "Shut out doubt and go beyond the impossible! That's the way we roll, remember?"



And that's it. That's all you really missed that you can't get playing the game. Next up we're going to go through some Landsmeet stuff (mainly the Denerim Alienage stuff, because that's where Taiyama grew up, and the actual Landsmeet), the Battle of Denerim, and then stuff that doesn't happen in the games. I will someday do the Origin story if enough people ask for it, but not right now and I'll certainly one day do the story about how Taiyama discovers his magic as a child.



Questions? Concerns? Raging shouts of hatred?

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LOL....yes, tick off one of the Lelianas and get his butt kicked!

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Taiyama wrote...
@Wolframkyo: Ah, lovelovegirl on deviantart, correct? Awesome, welcome to the thread! Sorry if being called "lady" bothers you--I know it kind of bothers DalishRanger--but it's just my Southern upbringing showing.


Eh, I let it slide with you because you're a friend and I'm well familiar with Southern upbringings. Despite being a "damn Yankee" I tend to call every stranger that I thank for whatever, "sir" or "ma'am" myself. Besides, I'm probably one of the few women you'll find disliking the term "lady" applied to themselves, and that's my tomboy and neurotic streaks showing more than anything else.


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Questions? Concerns? Raging shouts of hatred?

Nope, no rage. Bit of a sad panda over no more A Bond, but I'm a big girl. I can take it. ;P

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Right. Hi, guys.

Now, you're probably wondering "Where in the hell have you been, Taiyama?" Well, I have some excuses for you. It mainly revolves around summer classes being absolute b******s and I've had to take some time to cope with the increased workload in a shorter amount of time. When I do have free time I've been on a huge Freedomain Radio binge as well as educating myself about different facets of economics and history (I'm currently reading Ludwig Von Mises' magnum opus Human Action. Also, I spend a lot of time on the Mises.org forum (I''m Naevius there).

So, yeah. I haven't had much time for writing but I plan on changing that now that I'm starting to cope better with the workload. The next chapter will be up at some point, don't worry. If I ever simply abandon this topic (which I doubt) I'll be sure to tell you.

Also, I've been thinking a lot about the setting and characters of Talin and Taiyama Surana, so I'm going to pass along what I've thought up (and may or may not be able to fit in the story anytime soon) in the next post as "Notes on Taiyama and Talin Surana". That should help you lot cope with the horrible withdrawals I'm sure you're feeling from not reading any of my writing. :P

Also, I uploaded my fanfiction to my deviantart here if I forgot to mention it.

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Notes on Taiyama Surana, Talin Surana, and the Surana Family

Taiyama Surana:

*Taiyama, Leliana, and Zevran (yes, Zev fans, our favorite assassin is going to figure in quite a bit in later stories!) travel all across Thedas and into lands not yet discovered by civilization. By the time of his death, he's not just "The Hero of Ferelden" but is widely known all across Thedas.

*They travel for a decade until, unexpectedly, Leliana is impregnated with Taiyama's child. They all decide to settle down in Denerim (I'm unsure whether or not Zevran lives with them or gets his own place, but he's certainly close to Talin, who calls him "Uncle Zev").

*Taiyama supports his family by becoming a proto-capitalist and investor using the massive amount of gold he had gathered during his travels. Indeed, Taiyama is often known for funding rather risky merchant adventures that either pay off magnificently or go horribly wrong and cost a lot of money. Leliana is quite content to let him do this, though, because A. He's normally a very shrewd investor with good instincts and doesn't lose much money very often, B. They have money to spare both from travels and Taiyama's good investments, C. The vigor and tumult of the marketplace satisfies Taiyama's restlessness, keeping him at home more rather than traipsing around Thedas with Zevran, and D. Well, he makes more than enough money to satisfy Leliana's fashion tastes (especially shoes)!

*Taiyama actually isn't as absent a father as I had originally planned him to be because of this. Indeed, a big reason why Talin hero-worships his father is because Taiyama was almost always there, teaching him and watching over him. That said, he's a frequenter of taverns, not because he drinks (the man's an A-class teetotaler) but because he comes in every day to ask the tavern keeper about news or any troubles he has heard of. If Taiyama so much as gets a whiff of something bad happening, he and Zevran (or sometimes Leiana, and someone is left to babysit Talin) are usually off to investigate and help. He's sometimes gone for months at a time, but these instances are rare.

*Taiyama's a rather lenient father, more apt to trying to reason with Talin about why rules exist rather than punishing him. He also always makes sure to nurture Talin's curiosity, which is part of the reason Talin becomes a traveling Sinbad-like naval captain when he grows up.

*Taiyama isn't an anarcho-capitalist like me (after all, the modern theory of anarcho-capitalism/voluntarism/natural order wasn't around until the 1960s-1970s, so it'd be silly of me to make a medieval person one). He's a constitutional monarchist with a strong belief in noblesse oblige.

*Taiyama is a good example of the concept of nobilis naturalis (natural nobility). He's often a mediator in disputes that people seek out when they don't want to bother with court cases and prefer a simple, cheap way of resolving disputes. He's well-known for being merciful and often having the one ruled against do something for the plaintiff or the community at large in penance rather than meteing out a harsh penalty. The ruling is almost always respected by both parties but those who try to dodge the ruling are either taken to a formal court or simply ostracized by the community at large, though such things are rare due to the amount of respect Taiyama commands. There is often a noticeable shift upwards in the number of court cases whenever Taiyama isn't in Denerim and a shift back downwards whenever he returns.

*Taiyama's time traveling has made him a fiercely independent man (quite a change from the cowed good little mage he was before becoming a Grey Warden, but once he got a taste of true freedom he could never turn back). While he serves Alistair and the nation of Ferelden, he does so only because he wants to and acknowledges no master or ruler over himself but himself alone. Indeed, Taiyama rarely bows before Alistair (usually only when matters of state are being attended to and Taiyama knows people might get offended if he didn't bow), prefering to treat him like the old friend he is--with all the sarcasm, joking, and informality that entails. Frankly, Alistair more than welcomes the reprieve from formality when Taiyama's around.

*Taiyama has an almost super-elven willpower, which gives him a huge reserve of mana. He's able to summon new reserves of mana out of nowhere even after running out before at some points due to sheer willpower (to do something like this, though, he usually has to be protecting someone or trying to keep a promise). This means that in some situations his mana is effectively limitless. This isn't without its consequences, though. Drawing mana out of nowhere simply by will wreaks havoc on Taiyama's body and mental state and whenever he does this, he usually ends up collapsing at the end of the fight. At one point he goes so far that he falls into a coma for a few weeks after a particularly tough fight.

*I love the Surana Grey Wardens a lot precisely because they serve as an example for both of the downtrodden groups in Ferelden society: mages and elves. Taiyama's example has a huge effect on history, particularly doing a great deal to stop the spread of racial ideology in thedosian society. Someone who's debating a person who believes that non-humans are inherently inferior needs only point out that "The Hero of Thedas was an elf, was he not?" and usually can silence his opponent with that. While his example alone doesn't wipe racism from Thedas, it does a lot to hinder and limit it.

*After his death, while many statues are built of him, the largest is built in Denerim on the site that his ashes are burned. In front of the statue (which is Taiyama looking upwards and pointing to the sky above) Taiyama's staff is planted into the ground and the cloak that Nathaniel Howe gave him (which is one of Taiyama's main symbols) is tied around it.

*I mention in the first post that his theme song is "Spirit Never Dies". Well, his purely musical (without lyrics) theme would have to be Hope Never Dies.

Talin Surana:

*Talin has daddy issues. Boy, howdy, he does. Not because Taiyama was a bad father but because he doesn't like being known as simply "The Hero of Ferelden's boy" rather than in his own right. That's the reason he starts traveling and trying to make a name for himself: he wants to surpass his father and have his own name known throughout Thedas.

*Taiyama is occasionally bombastic and prone to speech-making because he's playing mental games. He wants to both strike terror into his enemies and rally his allies with his words. If he acts incredibly confident to the point of arrogance it's because he knows that a leader has to be someone his followers can rally around no matter what. Talin takes this tendency and ramps it up to 11. He's so much in his father's shadow that he compensates by being incredibly hammy and prone to shouting his own praises. Taiyama does it because it's strategy, Talin does it even more because that's just who he is.

*Because he's like this, I can't not imagine him with Kyle Hebert's incredibly hammy Kamina/The Great Saiyaman! voice. I do not apologize for this. (skip to 3:20 on that last video)

*I originally planned on him being a warrior in heavy armor (which is actually shown in the one chapter already written that has Talin in it) but I dropped that idea when I remembered that he's a ship captain. Heavy armor + ocean nearby = high risk of death. I've decided he's a dual sword-wielding rogue in light armor. Like his mother, he's not one for outright stealth in the shadows and more than one person remarks on how strange it is that a man as bombastic and loud as Talin is a rogue of all things. Most people simply peg him as a warrior in light armor.

*The jury's still out on what he looks like exactly, so I'll probably edit this when I decide. I know for sure that he has his mother's blue eyes, though.

*He trains in the art of seamanship with Isabella (among other things, wink wink, nudge nudge) shortly after his father's death at the age of 21. He comes onto the crew outright telling Isabella that he wanted to become a captain, which impresses her, so she lets him on the crew partly because she's impressed with him and partly because she remembers the card game and duelist training she had with his parents years ago (in particular, she deeply respects Leliana, who she only after the fact realized actually won the game, not Taiyama). In five years he works his butt off and saves up relentlessly (often denying himself the most basic pleasures) until he has enough money to commission a ship to be built for him just to his specifications. He names the Ship "Hope's Flame", hires a crew, and sets off with Uncle Zev tagging along too.

*Talin's actually bisexual and his second romantic relationship is with another man. Taiyama and Leliana aren't bothered by it at all, really. He does end up marrying a woman, however.

*Like his father, he eventually settles down and raises a family. He has two children: one a daughter who becomes a mage and eventually a Grey Warden and the other a son who keeps out of adventure entirely.

The Surana Noble Family:

*When the Teryn of Gwaren dies childless, King Duncan (Alistair's son) names Talin the new Teyrn of Gwaren as a respectful gesture to both Talin's heroism and Taiyama's, forever putting an elven-descended human family on the second most powerful position in Ferelden. While Talin himself simply leaves things to his advisors, not caring enough to manage to terynir, his son spends most of his time as a "professional noble" as it were and truly starts up the Noble House of Surana. As a callback to their famous ancestor, the Surana family crest is a double-headed griphon (the same as which is on the back of Taiyama's cloak) but also with a background of red flame to keep it from being confused with the crest of the Commander of the Grey.

*The Suranas being on par with the Couslands in terms of political power is another reason racial ideology is hindered, especially in Ferelden. The Suranas try to combat it less from noble intentions (though many of the Suranas do have those) but more to safeguard their own power. After all, the contention that elves are inferior brings with it that any humans descended from elves are lower than their pure human brethren, which jeopardizes the power and prestige of the family.

*Suranas are ambitious, first and foremost. Whether good or bad, they are almost always ambitious for glory and prestige. In the Surana mansion there is a single room, kept under lock and key, that the children know about from almost day one but are not allowed in to (thus igniting their curiosity furiously). When those children are sixteen, they are let into the room. Inside is a large room filled with paintings, sculpture, artifacts, etc. all depicting the heroism of their ancestors from Taiyama downward in history. I get this basic idea from the rooms that patrician families in ancient Rome had that had death masks of all of their ancestors hung on the wall. The ancient texts we have describe this room as lighting a fire in the eyes of the Roman boys who look upon it. The same thing happens when a Surana sees the "trophy room" as it's euphemistically called. Suranas are bred to be ambitious from the start.

*Because of this ambition, Suranas are often in positions of prestige and honor either as generals (especially generals), explorers, politicians, etc. More than once a foolish or incompetent Theirin king is simply a puppet on a string for a Surana power behind the throne. This also serves an unintentionally  useful function as the Suranas, like their heroic ancestor, are fiercely independent and act as a constant check on royal power.

*Yes, the pointing to the heavens and "Who the hell do you think I am?"s survive for quite a while in the Surana line. Some of them feel too important to act like that, but many (especially the generals) use the mannerisms with pride.

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Noticed this just before I'm about to go to bed. Will read it all in the morning. Good to see you back though, however brief or long due to real life obligations. :)

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Thanks, DR! Glad to see you again.



Oh, and I edited a few more things in that I forgot, for those who have read it by now.

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Interesting. Looks like you really planned ahead in your limited free time, eh? What bits of that do you think you'll try to expand on in story, or is almost all of it just extra background fluff (which is fine too; I love writing background fluff for fun)?

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All of the Taiyama stuff is likely to pop up at some point and a bit of the Talin stuff (Heck, I'm entertaining the idea of creating a "Tales of Talin Surana" thread once this is done). The Surana Family stuff may or may not pop up--I'm actually nursing a plot bunny in my mind that revolves around General Drake Surana in the Imperial Age (the equivalent of our 20th century) going off to fight the Anderfels in the Thedosian equivalent of World War II--but we'll see.



But yeah, thinking up background fluff and fleshing out worlds is a pastime of mine. It's what I think about when I'm walking to and from class and sitting on the bus.

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Taiyama wrote...


But yeah, thinking up background fluff and fleshing out worlds is a pastime of mine. It's what I think about when I'm walking to and from class and sitting on the bus.

This is part of what makes you such a great writer.Image IPB

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SRWill64 wrote...

Taiyama wrote...


But yeah, thinking up background fluff and fleshing out worlds is a pastime of mine. It's what I think about when I'm walking to and from class and sitting on the bus.

This is part of what makes you such a great writer.Image IPB



Haha, you flatter me, my lady.

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Not dead!

I've no real excuse this time, though, and no update to give for forgiveness yet. I'm just jumping in to mention that the inimitable DalishRanger did a commission for me, which you can view here. It features Taiyama's speech in front of the Sloth Demon in "Rebirth". Masterfully done, I must say.