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[InWeirdPeril]

I can forgive a lot of writing mistakes and to be fair, I would never try to compare them to "the greats". But I see your point.

 

To me it is less about challenge and reflexes. My fun comes from the story, the emotions, the characters, the pathos, the mixed in lighthearted things etc. be it cheesy or not. All those things is what made The Trilogy my favorite series of games of the past 25 years I have been playing games. And I am not trying to defend anything as an über fan. If they screwed stuff up for me, I call them out on it. But I have to go by the things I did like too.

 

I loved the depressing feel of ME3. It felt like an end to the trilogy. This is it, now or never. And I am also not ashamed to admit to having shed more than one tear in the end. Especially when you see your squad mates and LI one more time. That rally got me. That is what made it fun to me up to that point.

 

And from there...

I could not agree more with you. The endings and how they handled the fallout is what got me the most too. And killed all the fun I had up to that point. That is why I am hoping for a final (maybe optional) attempt on their part to make things right. In perspective it would remedy any and all bad feelings i still have for the end of the trilogy if they do it right.

 

But I do understand if people see it differently. I just hate to see them trying to squash it for those that still hope just because they dont like it. I know that sounds a bit like wanting the cake and to eat it too, but since I am not the only one who wants that, why not allow them to make it happen? Just because I hope they will do that, does not mean I also hope they wont consider the ones that dont want that. It wont hurt no one if they can pull it off.

[themikefest]

I wouldn't be surprised if the next game makes no reference to the characters from the trilogy.

[JeffZero]

I love ME3's atmosphere. It's part of the reason it narrowly inches out the other two games in what is my most consistently beloved series in gaming.

 

...that said, I don't think ME4 should go for an ME3-esque vibe, nor do I necessarily believe any other project in the series ought to do so for that matter. It was, to me, very appropriate, and very engrossing, for its subject matter. But we're past that now.

[Tonymac]

I can forgive a lot of writing mistakes and to be fair, I would never try to compare them to "the greats". But I see your point.

 

To me it is less about challenge and reflexes. My fun comes from the story, the emotions, the characters, the pathos, the mixed in lighthearted things etc. be it cheesy or not. All those things is what made The Trilogy my favorite series of games of the past 25 years I have been playing games. And I am not trying to defend anything as an über fan. If they screwed stuff up for me, I call them out on it. But I have to go by the things I did like too.

 

I loved the depressing feel of ME3. It felt like an end to the trilogy. This is it, now or never. And I am also not ashamed to admit to having shed more than one tear in the end. Especially when you see your squad mates and LI one more time. That rally got me. That is what made it fun to me up to that point.

 

And from there...

I could not agree more with you. The endings and how they handled the fallout is what got me the most too. And killed all the fun I had up to that point. That is why I am hoping for a final (maybe optional) attempt on their part to make things right. In perspective it would remedy any and all bad feelings i still have for the end of the trilogy if they do it right.

 

But I do understand if people see it differently. I just hate to see them trying to squash it for those that still hope just because they dont like it. I know that sounds a bit like wanting the cake and to eat it too, but since I am not the only one who wants that, why not allow them to make it happen? Just because I hope they will do that, does not mean I also hope they wont consider the ones that dont want that. It wont hurt no one if they can pull it off.

 

You bring up a lot of good points.  I did enjoy the stories, the characters, the interactions - its a thing I see as unique to Bioware.  It gave me a lot of replayability, being with Miranda, Jack, Liara, Ashley and Tali.  I actually started the ME series on game 2.  I found it in a bargain bin at BestBuy for like 20 or 25 bucks.  It was the collectors edition.  The dude at the checkout counter was kind of mad, because he knew it was still in Inventory on the books, but could not find it.  It started me on a series I fell in love with.

 

Then I got ME1 and actually learned who the heck Garrus and Wrex (who I have never seen before) and Ash and Liara  and Tali were.  I hated Udina, but after playing ME1 I really knew why.  I liked Anderson, and really liked him after ME1.  This ensued a whole new gaggle of imports, and the game had differences, different interactions - stuff I thought was pretty inventive and thorough.  Seeing Gianna and Conrad and refund man and all of that put a smile on my face.

 

I could have gone with the dread feeling in ME3 if there was a release of all of that tension and overbearing depression.  I guess they had to make a one size fits all ending, but I hated it.  Using Reaper Tech to defeat the Reapers was weak writing.  It smacks of indoctrination on so many levels.  Reapers letting us decide their fate does not fit with Sovvy and Harby as representatives of who and what Reapers truly were.

 

I don't think that Bioware will ever try to fix the endings.  Their short-sightedness made the handing off of ME:Next tricky.   But they will never admit that they made a mistake.  In their eyes they didn't, you see.  Gamers are a fickle crowd.  All you need to do is feed the hype and they will flock in like lemmings.

 

I started playing video games back in the '70's.  I remember pong.  I remember our Commodore 64 with a tape drive.  I've seen just about all that PC gaming has done as it evolves.  We've come a long way.  It still shows you though, you need good writers, good ideas, and a passion for excellence.  Anything less than that, and the computer tech will not make your game amazing.

[SofaJockey]

# Location #

 

A long way away.

 

# Story #

 

Something different.

Set after ME3

 

# Gameplay #

 

Frostbite 3 - more open world.

 

# Legacy #

 

Far enough in the future for ME3 and crew to be history

(Matriarch T'Soni excepted)

 

# Worst Case #

 

Green eyed synth/people.

 

# Compromise #

 

Any legacy that leaves humans human.

[InWeirdPeril]

I could have gone with the dread feeling in ME3 if there was a release of all of that tension and overbearing depression.  I guess they had to make a one size fits all ending, but I hated it.  Using Reaper Tech to defeat the Reapers was weak writing.  It smacks of indoctrination on so many levels.  Reapers letting us decide their fate does not fit with Sovvy and Harby as representatives of who and what Reapers truly were.

 

I agree. The completle lack of release and lackluster "climax" or "conclusion" of the trilogy was horrible. But, I would have said "You know what guys, you screwed up. Everybody does. But what do you do when you screw things up? You fix it." and if they had, that would have been the end of that. They did not but instead gone with artistic integrity. A comparison to Star Wars comes to mind somehow. Awesome first trilogy, then artistic integrity kicked in aaaand... bam. Fail across the board.

I would love to a fly on the wall at BW right now just to see if they had even considered something to make things right again. Or just went with "They loved it! no need for that"

 

 

 

I don't think that Bioware will ever try to fix the endings.  Their short-sightedness made the handing off of ME:Next tricky.   But they will never admit that they made a mistake.  In their eyes they didn't, you see.  Gamers are a fickle crowd.  All you need to do is feed the hype and they will flock in like lemmings.

 

Even on that one I have to agree. But as I wrote in another post, I wont admit defeat just yet.

Also, one writer did admit that the ending was a mistake and that a lot of them where never even consulted about it. And BW even admitted to underestimating the fans reaction. But yeah, as much as I am hoping for something on their part to fix it things with a prequel DLC or Intro/Story Sequence with those 2 big *** opportunities that are coming up... Deep down, I know they wont. Because of... Reasons. Even though they could keep their artistic integrity by not changing the endings, but adding the aforementioned release of depression with some clever writing and mechanics. Hell, I could even live with the fact if that is the only thing referencing the trilogy, if pressed. It would definitely be a compromise, but one I could easily live with if done right.

 

 

 It still shows you though, you need good writers, good ideas, and a passion for excellence.  Anything less than that, and the computer tech will not make your game amazing.

 

Damn straight!

[Tonymac]

"I agree. The completle lack of release and lackluster "climax" or "conclusion" of the trilogy was horrible. But, I would have said "You know what guys, you screwed up. Everybody does. But what do you do when you screw things up? You fix it." and if they had, that would have been the end of that. They did not but instead gone with artistic integrity. A comparison to Star Wars comes to mind somehow. Awesome first trilogy, then artistic integrity kicked in aaaand... bam. Fail across the board."

 

Yeah - Lucas sold Star Wars because he just can't take criticism.  He also cannot accept the fact that he sucks at storytelling.  Disney will make a ton of cash off of the Star Wars ideas.

 

There are similarities between BW and Lucas and Hudson.  Hudson made ME happen.  I'm eternally grateful for that.  Lucas made SW.  Lucas has direct control of the SW prequels and botched it.  He took a lot of criticism for his lack of ability.  He was so distraught that he sold it and walked away in a huff - as a very rich man, mind you.  I think that maybe Hudson was in a similar rut over the endings and criticism - but I have no proof.

 

The point is to learn from mistakes, pick yourself up, dust yourself off - and move on.

[InWeirdPeril]

There are similarities between BW and Lucas and Hudson.  Hudson made ME happen.  I'm eternally grateful for that.  Lucas made SW.  Lucas has direct control of the SW prequels and botched it.  He took a lot of criticism for his lack of ability.  He was so distraught that he sold it and walked away in a huff - as a very rich man, mind you.  I think that maybe Hudson was in a similar rut over the endings and criticism - but I have no proof.

 

The point is to learn from mistakes, pick yourself up, dust yourself off - and move on.

 

I think this is the only part where our opinions differ somewhat.

I am grateful that Hudson made ME3 happen too. And while this may sound mean, and I certainly have no proof, I kind of make him responsible for the endings. And that his leaving is somewhat of an indicator, that BW has something planned to mend things with fans and he just could not agree because it was his story to end.

 

And for that last sentence, I agree only with the exception that moving on can backfire if you miss another opportunity to make things right. Especially with the 2 that are coming up within the next 2 years. Be it either with a remastered Trilogy or somekind of sequel/flash back clarity that could be in the new game.

 

But hey, like I said, I am a stubborn one until we get concrete information. Even though I don't expect things to turn out well for what I hope for, I just can't get rid of that last bit of hope that still creeps around in my skull. I know, it's a flaw.

[Tonymac]

We are all different and 'flawed'.  Every gem has its flaws.

 

Bioware could have fixed it, and chose not to.  Now they sleep in the bed they made.

 

Lucan lost touch, and maybe Hudson too, but I don't want to derail the thread.  I will PM you later.

[XCopperCrowX]

 

Location

• Milky Way Galaxy

Story

• Time Frame: Some years after the destruction of the Reapers
• Leviathans

Gameplay

• Mass Effect 3 Combat
• More dialogue options
• More customizables
• Hammerhead DLC pls

Legacy

• The exploits of Shepard will be alluded to and/or mentioned in passing.
• Cameos from Shepard's trilogy
• High-EMS Destroy Canon; Low-EMS is tolerable, though the issue I have with that ending is that the destruction is a bit too extensive in order to keep up with the theme of exploration.  If Bioware decides to go down the latter route, I hope they do it well.      

Worst Case

• Reboot
• Control Canon

Compromise

• It's good?

 

 

 

I think you're on point with the time frame... They need to make it 'just' far enough into the future to keep the history of the Shep-trilogy vague, but not so far that they're forgotten altogether.  As for the destruction of the Mass Relays- the tech could be salvaged and re-invented within the ship's architecture making it possible for the ship to slip from point A to point B w/o a Mass Relay... If that's what you mean by "the destruction is a bit too extensive in order to keep up with the theme of exploration."

If not... Then I'm off the mark, obviously.

[Iakus]

I think you're on point with the time frame... They need to make it 'just' far enough into the future to keep the history of the Shep-trilogy vague, but not so far that they're forgotten altogether.  As for the destruction of the Mass Relays- the tech could be salvaged and re-invented within the ship's architecture making it possible for the ship to slip from point A to point B w/o a Mass Relay... If that's what you mean by "the destruction is a bit too extensive in order to keep up with the theme of exploration."

If not... Then I'm off the mark, obviously.

 

Problem is, how far into the future is "just enough" when there are species that can live for a thousand years or more?

[themikefest]

I want it far enough in the future that no one from the trilogy will make any appearance at all.

[windsea]

Location

Milky Way Galaxy mostly in uncharted space/new area because of exploration based plot

Beside the Citadel/Earth.

 

Story

Time Frame 

After ME3, say around 20 to 25 years.

 

The Alliance and other council races will formed a single government or at least a navy, Bioware's take on the federation.

 

mission of exploration because of plot

 

Yahg will be the main enemy. With Leviathan or an other hinted at.

 

so basically the mass effect version of Star Trek The Next Generation, in a good way.

 

ME3 endings.

Only the high wars assets outcomes of the main three choices will be able for import. 

      Think how ME1 end choice affected the other two.

So no Doomdays or utopia outcomes from them.

The effects will be told in news story, dialog, and codex entries but will not change the plot

 

synthesis will majorly change dialog with all Geth or AI but none will have a role in the story, This also for destroy endings where they all have been MURDER.

Visually effect form synthesis will still be there.

The exploration focus of the game will keep the reapers from being able to effect the story.

 

Gameplay

Improved ME3 combat.

With lots of customization

customizable ship, armor, Mako, weapons, crew's armor to a point.

 

Legacy

Cameos for fan favorites on the Citadel to act as epilogue for them.

An party member with some relation to the Shepard's crew, For example say Garrus's sister had a kid who ended up on your crew.

Most effects of Shepard's actions will be told via news story and dialog, and maybe opening/changing some side quests

 

Destroy Shepard will have a cameo and/or be part of their LI's one.

You will also interact with Control Shepard AI thing to found out what Control Shepard AI thing actually is and their plan for the Reapers.

 

Worst Cases

Reboot

canon ending

not dealing with a Post-ME3 galaxy.

 

Compromise

see cameos.

[TruthSerum]

Here is what I think Bioware should do if they are smart because it basically covers all angles and doesn't completely ignore or retcon anything that has come before while at the same time is a completly different storyline relative to the original trilogy.  

 

Mass Effect: Exodus (or whatever)

 

It makes perfect sense that most of the different races of the galaxy could get together to form a fleet of a few hundred ships that are meant to leave the Milky Way galaxy and escape the Reaper apocalypse.  

 

The time period would begin just before the end of Mass Effect 3. They could be just arriving in a nearby galaxy via some newly discovered or repaired relay. I could see a situation where they are using the Milky Way relay network to monitor galactic activity when everythng just stops all at once. 

 

"Commander, the ..the galaxy has just gone dark."

"Gone dark?... How can an entire 'EFFING' GALAXY go dark?"

 

Something like that would adequately convey just how unbelievably huge the events of the previous triliogy were but at the same time the new characters have absolutely no idea what just happened. 

 

At that point they know the only thing they can do is move foreward, going back isn't even an option for the forseeable future. 

[BassStyles]

Edit: double post

[BassStyles]

One of two things:

I still believe the clone will factor in somehow. To what extent I'm not certain. It's the rule of media, we didn't actually see it's death. They just fell to their "death" and we are to assume they died. They created that little story arc for a reason methinks.

Some of the conversations with EDI and Joker reveal some interesting things. Alternate universes are possible if enough energy is created. This scene:

Just seems like something they could use for a continuation of the series.

Anywho, worse case scenario? I don't know, not too picky in all honesty. More Mass Effect is good for me, but I'd prefer a sequel moving forward. A prequel would be fine but set really far back, not FCW.

Sidequel could be neat if they implement it into the original trilogy, like just missing crossing paths with Shepard, I guess Halo: ODST comes to mind.

Anxious to finally hear some solid details about the next game.

[mrjack]

What I want or think will happen?

 

# Location #

A new galaxy would be cool. I like the "Mass Effect: Exodus" idea. I wouldn't mind seeing more of Earth with Vancouver/London rebuilt as some kind of Star Trek Federation-style human utopia  and it would be nice to see Tuchanka after the Krogan recapture the "Glory of the Ancients" but I'm not too fussed about it. I have no desire to see the Citadel/Illium/Thessia/Sur Kesh again. I want new places please. 

 

# Story #

New big bad on a much smaller scale (to start), no reapers - even with control they're gone. I like the idea of being a nobody new recruit being thrust into saving the day with a rag tag bunch of misfits that fight with me because they believe in what we're trying to do, not because I'm Commander/Captain Somebody. I don't care as long as the story's great and FRESH and NEW and everything's a still unknown.  

 

# Gameplay #

 

More action RPG, with improved melee, dodge moves, counter attacks. I play on PC with a controller (X-Padder) so point and click and wait for cooldown and point and click for me is a yawn fest, Different play styles with emphasis on tactics and stealth when needed. I hardly use guns so I can't see the point of a million different ones. With two mod slots to make up most guns flaws, everything evened out in the end. Even on soldier runs I basically use the same gun all the time. Saying that, customisation is in every area is key. Weapons, armour, appearance, powers etc. One thing I can't be arsed with though is ME1 style mega inventory. Keep options open but choosing what to keep or sell or equip for different missions when I just wanted to get back to the action was zzzz. More exploration but fighting in a vehicle doesn't appeal to me. A bit of it is fine but pressing buttons so that my character presses buttons that cause a machine to fie on an enemy seems to far removed from the action.

 

Legacy #

I don't care. Canonise an ending if you want but if it's synthesis, make sure the green has faded and people aren't walking around with glowing eyes please. They said ME3 was the end so choices would never matter in a future game. They could have stuck with that and called it quits but thankfully we're getting more ME. I wasn't a huge fan of the ending but it's done now. Time to let go. I'm done with Shepard, Liara, Wrex and Garrus (I love them and will always replay the trilogy but enough's enough) and if any of them appear in the new one, it better be short and sweet.

 

# Worst Case #

More reapers, more cerberus, a prequel or sidequel.

 

# Compromise #

If they do a prequel/sidequel, don't make it the main game. I wouldn't mind Mass Effect: Contact while we wait for Mass Effect: Extravaganza but waiting 4 years to play through a story where I already know the ending would not be worth the wait. 

[Guanxii]

All I am hoping for is a more personal/customizable experience where YOU play as the next human spectre – not some on rails BioWare stock character on a linear/predetermined path. The fate of entire galaxy isn’t at stake and there is no central conflict only a collection of different factions with their own problems that you can handle or not if you want to. The stakes are smaller but you have much more impact over your own character’s destiny than 'the Shepard'. People will just call you SPECTRE.

 

Perhaps the council send you on an investigation which is a short linear tutorialized path which introduces all of the main factions which you can go explore at your leisure and after you have completed enough faction story missions the linear finale/endgame content is unlocked which could be unique based on which factions you had alligned with and ends in a satisfying perhaps unique final boss and the credits.

 

My biggest fear is that the established lore/races/endings are brushed over completely and they go for another big galaxy threatening central conflict hundreds of years in the future with another BioWare stock character.

[TruthSerum]

I'm going to build on my " Exodus" theory by guessing/hoping that the new protagonists get dragged into some new conflct that has been going on in the new galaxy for years already.

You could be forced to choose sides and gather allies in the conflict and in true Mass Effect style the choices might not be so black and white.

All of this could be done in the name of self preservation for the survivors of the Reaper war more than anything else. But at the same time your actions just happen to be determining the future of a new galaxy.

[TurianRebel212]

I know one thing for sure, the "Hero" N7 Marine is Shepard or the latest rendition of Shepard, I mean.... Shep has already visited multiple realms before and came out the other-side. So..... He did it again. 

 

 

Location. 

 

Where????

 

Nah, more like When. 

 

Legacy: I'm thinking ME1 level of greatness, maybe not ME2 amazingness, but a definite step up from ME3 in every way. 

 

Combat- Like ME3, but with more long lines of sight, open environments, larger skybox, more diverse enemies greater difficulty than ME3. it will be a third person shooter with classes unique powers, and tons of guns and stuff. Also, vehicular combat will come back. But way more indepth, responsive and cooler than ME1/ME2.  

 

Story- Well, Shep will have to dig his/her way outta this sh!t storm and find a way back..... "Home". All while fixing this "galaxies" major issue..... You know, Machine Gods and stuff tormenting the organics. Pretty much standard operating procedure for good ole' Shep. My prediction... He'll do just fine. Oh, and he's gonna need a ship..... A very specific Ship. So... He'll have to find it. 

 

Bout it really. 

[hyolo]

Like Turian said, it's about a "when" more than "where".

Depending on exactly when the story will take place, we'll know which character might return, storyline and exploration.

I'm fairly certain we'll revisit some places, like homeworlds - Tuchanka/Earth, maybe - but the majority will be about new planets.

I don't think they'll let go of Milky Way but maybe some moment they will.

A canon ending would make me so upset I'd think twice before choosing or not to buy it right away.

Worst case scenario, however: Bringing the old storyline (Reapers, Cerberus) back. I would love to explore the Leviathans more but not the Reapers. Enough with that.

Gameplay will be way better comparing it to the trilogy as a whole.