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[adorkable-panda]

What I mean is that I hope all of them will be important to the main plot somehow. What I thought DA2 was a step up from DAO was that the companions were more interesting *not that i didn't like morrigan, alistair, etc but everyone in DA2 was so inherently interesting* however, if you don't bring them with you in the party very often it's almost like they never exist. IE Fenris, an interesting character given an interesting backstory and side quests, but if you don't use him he literally barely exists aside from his own story arc. Same goes for Merrill and even Sebastian, who was a DLC Character. 

 

The only companions that served important to the main plot were Isabela, Varric, and Anders and Aveline occasionally as well. 

 

I'm sure that this is no longer a concern and hopefully the devs made the characters more "important" to the more integral parts of the story because they all sound so interesting and cool. 

[MissMayhem96]

Well you have the Advisor's that all play a big part in helping with missions and we will be seeing them a lot through out the game, even though they are not companions.

 

Dorian has the Redcliffe mission that we saw in the Gameplay Demo and as the Devs say, every character will have a story waiting to be explored and influenced by the Inquisitors actions. Just like in DA2, every companion had a quest so we could get to know more about them, I have no doubts that Inquisition will do the same. As for the companions being essential characters in the main plot of DA:I I'm sure it's going to be a select few.

 

At this point, I could see Cassandra, maybe Vivienne and Dorian.

[Kieran G.]

Also solas seems to be important in a way, he is a dreamer and in the EoT trailer we see him holding the inquisitors magic hand as a tear is closing.

[Master Warder Z_]

Also solas seems to be important in a way, he is a dreamer

 

Aka he spies on you in your sleep like the creepy bald perv he is.

[Kieran G.]

Aka he spies on you in your sleep like the creepy bald perv he is.

I was more talking plot wise. but i didn't know we knew so much about solas character. its almost like you are making giant assumption, but that could never be the case.

[jlb524]

What I mean is that I hope all of them will be important to the main plot somehow. 

 

Not possible as some can easily be dismissed.

[sky_captain]

Not possible as some can easily be dismissed.

Or not recruited at a all.

[Pierce Miller]

Most of them seem important, specifically for the skills they each bring to the table.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Not possible as some can easily be dismissed.

This.

 

The only way for all of them to be important to the plot is for all of them to be required companions, which we know isn't the case. So just like previous games, you'll have some that are important, some that are semi-important, and some that are non-essential (as in, serve no need to be there besides fighting beside you, if you so choose to let them).

 

Most of them seem important, specifically for the skills they each bring to the table.

In general, when I think about how a companion is important, I tend to evaluate their importance based on plot integrity. That is to say, whether the plot can continue without their presence. This is probably the strictest definition of the word. In DA2, the only plot-integral companions were Varric and Anders (and possibly Isabela IIRC; memory is a bit fuzzy right now). Everyone else really wasn't needed.

[Pierce Miller]

This.

 

The only way for all of them to be important to the plot is for all of them to be required companions, which we know isn't the case. So just like previous games, you'll have some that are important, some that are semi-important, and some that are non-essential (as in, serve no need to be there besides fighting beside you, if you so choose to let them).

 

In general, when I think about how a companion is important, I tend to evaluate their importance based on plot integrity. That is to say, whether the plot can continue without their presence. This is probably the strictest definition of the word. In DA2, the only plot-integral companions were Varric and Anders (and Isabela IIRC; memory is a bit fuzzy right now). Everyone else really wasn't needed.

But for the Inquisition as an organisation I'm saying their skills will be important, For example I bet there will be missions in which we can use their expertise to bypass certain obstacles.

[Fiery Phoenix]

But for the Inquisition as an organisation I'm saying their skills will be important, For example I bet there will be missions in which we can use their expertise to bypass certain obstacles.

That could certainly work, too. In ME2, Mordin used his expertise to develop the Seeker Swarm countermeasures, allowing Shepard and co. to land on Horizon and progress into the Collector ship. He was very much plot-integral for that.

[Patchwork]

I don't think all the companions and advisers being equally plot relevant would work. It's too convenient and clunky but just because they're not indispensable doesn't mean that  they can't be important to the pc.

 

Garrus was never plot important in ME but I can't imagine playing the games without him.   

[Icy Magebane]

In general, when I think about how a companion is important, I tend to evaluate their importance based on plot integrity. That is to say, whether the plot can continue without their presence. This is probably the strictest definition of the word. In DA2, the only plot-integral companions were Varric and Anders (and possibly Isabela IIRC; memory is a bit fuzzy right now). Everyone else really wasn't needed.

I agree, but just wanted to point out that Isabela wasn't necessary to the plot.  Whenever I purposefully avoided her recruitment, the storyline still made sense... the only things missing were a bit of detail on the Tome of Kosslun and the option to avoid fighting the Arishok.  Beyond that, little changed...

[Fiery Phoenix]

I agree, but just wanted to point out that Isabela wasn't necessary to the plot.  Whenever I purposefully avoided her recruitment, the storyline still made sense... the only things missing were a bit of detail on the Tome of Kosslun and the option to avoid fighting the Arishok.  Beyond that, little changed...

You're right. I was having trouble remembering the specifics of the situation with the Arishok.

[BlueMagitek]

Well, I guess I have a sort of minor issue with all of the companions having major roles in the story.

 

If your PC, for whatever reason, doesn't want / get along with / works well with a character, having them too heavily integrated with the story means that they still remain in your party.  Say, back in DA:O, my character was a Loyalist Circle Mage.  I didn't need to recruit Sten nor did I need to keep Morrigan (an apostate and most likely a maleficar).  Morrigan still managed to have an impact on the story.  Or, say, I was a very pro Stone dwarf; I didn't need to recruit Leliana or Wynne and I could tell them to leave or kill them. 

 

Perhaps it won't come up, but I don't want to get to a state where my character, through a difference of ideas or just outright dislike, would have a character in his party where the first thing that comes to mind is "Why are you still here?".

 

Granted, this is quite the extreme situation, but that's just what I think about it.

 

Edit:  Not sure what I was thinking putting down "quite the emergency".  My bad.

[Icy Magebane]

so you would kill them just because they have different opinions ?? damm

Unless Sten would really want to put a Mage Warden in chains I don't see any reason to kill him

Killing them is a little extreme, but I am happy that we can skip most of the recruitment and either drive off the DA:I companions or fire them if we wish to.  Even Morrigan could be kicked off the DA:O squad in spite of her late-game importance... so there are ways around this.  By my estimation, every companion will be important in some way, but replaceable.  The only one so important that they are integral to the main plot is probably Cassandra, since we know that we can finish the game with only one companion available.  The others probably have importance to certain plots, like Dorian and the Venetori, but I doubt anything will force us to take him on those missions if we don't want to... so the importance of any companion is ultimately in the hands of the player.

[BlueMagitek]

so you would kill them just because they have different opinions ?? damm

Unless Sten would really want to put a Mage Warden in chains I don't see any reason to kill him

 

No, only my Dalish characters kill other party members the vast majority of the time.  Except for Zevran, because he doesn't put himself in a favorable first meeting.

 

However, the Warden gets the option to request that people leave.  Or drive them off with low approval.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Probably ain't going to happen. Some are just more important than others. Especially if they're involved in the fade and demon plot lines, they'll be considered more vital.

[Muspade]

Equality is never absolute on everything.

[Batknight]

I don't think all companions need to have equal importance to the story. In many cases that would probably just end up requiring forcing and contriving ways to make companions important for the sake of it instead of it naturally fitting the story.

[Tinxa]

I would much more prefer plot important companions over everyone being missable, killable and dismissable, just so people can shank whoever they don't like. I like having all the different endgame options with Alistair and that wouldn't be possible if the game just allowed you to stab him in Ostagar.

 

 

I really liked the way kotor handled it: you need Mission to hack a door, then you team up with Canderous because he can get you the ship and you buy HK because you need a translator... much better than Leliana just showing up and saying "Hi, can I join you because I have nothing better to do???"

 

Of course having 9 companions you can't go without would be impractical but I hope for at least 2 or 3 in DAI being more like Alistair and Morrigan.

[LaughingWolf]

I think Cassandra, Solas, Dorian, and maybe Vivienne will be important to the main plot.

Varric, Ironbull, Cole and Sera don't seem important to main plot at all.

Blackwall I think will be semi-important, as in he isn't necessarily crucial to the main plot but he will add to it if recruited.

[Chernaya]

I don't think they'll all have the same level of importance, but I do hope that they all have at least some plot importance and are connected to the bigger events in some way (whether it be good or bad situations). That's what I wished for characters like Zevran and Fenris, who were interesting yet very disconnected feeling to me.