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[Deco]

Bear with me for a minute (or 20)

• Some people are saying, now that ML said it, it’s was quite clear as we got several signs she would not be a LI
• It seemed quite logical she would be a LI, the marketing was ‘relatively’ heavy around her, she got introduced quite early, she is prominently present in many trailers,…
• Varric has cleary been documented as to why he is no LI, Morrigan and Leliana less but mainly explained due to the possible LI link in DAO, Vivienne was not clarified in the slightest way.
• ‘What’s her real agenda?’, yeah what is her real agenda apart from I go along with the inquisition as long as it suits me?!
• Speculation of Vivienne as LI begon fairly early on the forums and the dev’s never said or posted anything to deny this speculation, sure they didn’t have to but hey, they could have done this easily a long time ago. Eg. Instead of announcing Iron Bull’s bisexuality they could have announced that Vivienne was no LI. Announcing this earlier would have made the pill less bitter to swallow as they did with Varric. But really, wait till the last minute (figuratively), that’s just…. bad marketing when you know that part of you’re hardcore fanbase was counting on this. They had countless opportunites to do it earlier.

The fact that ML mentions that for some Companions it did not make sense (storywise or other) to make them LI this makes me think that Vivienne actualy will turn on you and turn out as one of the bad guys. Like,scenario wise this could lead up to you can kill her or spare her and strip her from her power?! Seen that you would have invested (possibly) quite heavily in her as a companion that would make a potential (dramatic) turn of events.

Up till now the devs have stated that the game will not end with all questions answered but that it would be satisfying enough , this could point to a similar end as in ME2. (Direct or Indirect) Minions of that evil such as Cerberus (ok that was ME3), the Shadow Broker, The collectors were all beaten at some point but the ultimate evil (The Reapers) never were in ME2. I could imagine the Venatori, The Wardens (?),…  and possibly Vivienne could be similar villains in DAI.

Anyway, I’m not a DA expert so feel  free to shoot down my speculation tread, I’ll take the shots happily (as this makes that there is an additional tread about Vivienne that could get noticed by the devs, Vivienne DLC, yeah baby  )

[TheJediSaint]

Honestly, if there is a traitor, it makes more sense for them to be one of the romancable characters.  More feels that way.

[AlexiaRevan]

*shoot arrows* God forbide! She is not a bad guy !! From what I got from the Bioware staff he said there was a good reason she is not a Li and it is tied to her personal history (or something like that) . Doesn't mean she is Evillllll vilainy about to take over . Seriously , that would suck . I'm tired of seeing Mages used in this setting...after power and nananére . And Vivi is fab! You don't go Fab and Vilain . Well you could....but I rather she is not . 

[Deco]

Well I seem to think that it could be why she is not a LI, cause LI could potentialy continue in DAI2

[leadintea]

We really have very little info about this sort of thing and I think people are thinking about Vivienne a little too hard. Personally, I think her entire "agenda" is just to use the Inquisition to get further in the social hierarchy. Her being an LI or not has no bearing on this, as Morrigan WAS an LI and she had an ulterior motive and pretty much betrayed you.

[Deco]

We really have very little info about this sort of thing and I think people are thinking about Vivienne a little too hard. Personally, I think her entire "agenda" is just to use the Inquisition to get further in the social hierarchy. Her being an LI or not has no bearing on this, as Morrigan WAS an LI and she had an ulterior motive and pretty much betrayed you.

I didn't take it well in Witch hunt, if you know what I mean

[EmperorKarino]

this is pretty sound, its certainly possible that Vivenne might turn on us, she is described as Ambitious, so maybe she'll turn on us as some sort of way to take over the inquisition? or someway to get power, maybe she makes a deal with a demon, or this elder one.

[Shimmering Nug]

Honestly, if there is a traitor, it makes more sense for them to be one of the romancable characters.  More feels that way.

 

This ^

Honestly, I think all this teasing about Vivienne being the token evil team-mate is nothing but a feint. Like they're preparing us for the blind side of somebody far more friendly betraying us.

[raging_monkey]

She could not be a li due to her political station, can be be a enemy? Imo she's a political wildcard she has a unknown agenda that with current information can be good or bad. Imo she fills two themes of inquisition; faith and politics, if you have faith in her it may be good for us. Its better to wait and hear her side before we condem her

[Gago]

I think she could be implicated in some sinister plot we may find out at the end. That could also explain the no-romance thing. But I doubt that. Only one way to find out, and that is to play the game.

[AlexiaRevan]

this is pretty sound, its certainly possible that Vivenne might turn on us, she is described as Ambitious, so maybe she'll turn on us as some sort of way to take over the inquisition? or someway to get power, maybe she makes a deal with a demon, or this elder one.

You make it sound as if being ambitious is a bad thing . There is ambition and ambition . Wanting a career and raising in Title in a world where Mages are seen as abomination would be a feat . Not something to fear . Queen Anora for exemple was ambitious , what made her bad in my eyes wasn't that she wanted the throne . No she had the calification to do so , but her seeing Loghain as an innocent baby was what made me put Alistair on the throne . 

[CIA]

It seemed quite logical she would be a LI, the marketing was ‘relatively’ heavy around her, she got introduced quite early, she is prominently present in many trailers,…

 

The Darkspawn featured quite heavily in this

 

This must mean Darkspawn are a love interest!!! No. Just because a character is featured doesn't mean jack

 

 

Anyway, yes, I think she'll probably betray you at one point

[Deco]

She can't be the traitor, simply because it'd be too obvious at this point. You don't say, "what is her agenda?" to everyone at E3 and expect people not to come to this conclusion. IMO either it's a red herring or her 'agenda' is more benign than people think.

I don't know if its that obvious, didn't see many specultation on that apart of some in the Vivienne tread

[nightcobra]

This is why I'd have spies on anyone I'd see as suspicious, including allies. I'm still an advocate of personal privacy and all but I'd rather be an hypocrite than making decisions without having a good chunk of information to base them on. 

[Shimmering Nug]

The Darkspawn featured quite heavily *snipped out vid*

 

This must mean Darkspawn are a love interest!!!

 

They're not!? Well that explains why The Messenger rejected my advances.

 

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[CIA]

She can't be the traitor, simply because it'd be too obvious at this point. You don't say, "what is her agenda?" to everyone at E3 and expect people not to come to this conclusion. IMO either it's a red herring or her 'agenda' is more benign than people think.

http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/rpgsite/images/images/000/025/277/original/WarTable_WM_web.jpg

 

I wonder what hidden subtext is in this inconspicuous image!

 

If you go with the Last Supper thing, it's either Solas or Cole

 

also how do I spoiler tag images so I can post an image without spamming the entire page

[Potato Cat]

(Really kinda sick of this Vivienne's villain talk)

[TheJediSaint]

Spoiler

(Really kinda sick of this Vivienne's villain talk)

I'm not really a fan of the "who's the traitor?" game in general.  

[Potato Cat]

I'm not really a fan of the "who's the traitor?" game in general.

People just seem ridiculously paranoid for some reason. It's pretty pathetic if you ask me. Almost as if they think getting betrayed will be an instant game over screen for them.

It's like it's something new that we have characters who have motivations beyond the player's.

[Vapaa]

I find quite sad that there apparently can't be a good looking woman companion without being a LI...and if she isn't a LI she BETTER have a GODD EXCUSE, like being a traitor !

 

sigh

[90s Luke]

I doubt that she's one of the antagonists.

 

Her "hidden agenda" could either be a red herring or might actually be beneficial to our cause.

[Felene]

Maybe even Tranquilized(Lore check?) her. They did mention we can judge and send mages to be Tranquil.

 

Can't romance a Tranquil mage.