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[Potato Cat]

Pathetic? Really? Drawing conclusions from ideas that the writers themselves have planted about a game's story ranks pretty low on the pathetic list.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying people's reaction to their speculation is pretty pathetic. I've seen so many act like toddlers throwing their toys out of their pram and act like a character is without merit and refuse to play with them because they disagree with them. And as a Cullen fan as well as a Vivienne fan, I see even more of this as people have decided because of something he said years before the start of DAI that he's a templar extremist and therefore cannot trust his advice and opinions.

[Yinello]

Yeah I'm also not into the whole "can't romance, might be evil" thing.

 

I bet Viv's gunning for 2nd queen of Orlais. She's not an LI because she wants to get it on with Celene.

[Ieldra]

Vivenne one of the bad guys? Yeah, because of course ambition is evil. /sarcasm. 

 

Really, I would hate to see that. I'm not particularly fond of Vivienne, but I'd join in the complaints of her fans should that happen.

[Reznore57]

I think her not being a LI goes with what she stands for.

She's pro circle , mages in circle are not allowed to have love relationships , some can get married but you'd need special permission from the Chantry.

 

She seems like someone who work within the system she's in.I don't think she's a rule breaker , I think she's clever and worked her ass off to get where she is.

 

I have no clue about her "secret agenda" ...I think she's just working to get the circles back .Possible she made secret allies in Orlais , Gaspard , Celene..?

[Potato Cat]

How is it pathetic to expect that a character that has been stated in a prominent trailer to have a 'hidden agenda' actually have a hidden agenda? That is what you said.
 
If BioWare's marketing department had omitted 'hidden agenda' part from the trailer it still wouldn't warrant people being labeled as pathetic for suspecting her of being a traitor. This is how stories work. And from what little information people have they make hypotheses and draw conclusions.
 
I fail to see how they're pitiful or pathetic for it.

You're still missing my point and quite frankly I'm bored of trying to explain it.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

It's probably Solas because of how little we know about him so the shock factor would be higher.

[AlexiaRevan]

I think she mean they are pitiful because they weight a charachter worth before seeing them in game. Or not use them because you don't agree with them . Although I wonder if that would apply to whinie companions . 

 

 like a character is without merit and refuse to play with them because they disagree with them.

[Deco]

Well, quite some feedback. I do believe that no LI could mean 'evil', that's why its called speculation and yes I'm a huge Vivienne fan of the 1st hour.

 

And seen that I'm male, I imagin it's influenced by my male intuition (who generaly is less good then the females, lol) but it seems so unlogic to keep Vivienne as last when all seemed so logic to her being an LI, the dev's must have been aware of the heavy speculation, no? they must have knwn that it would draw strong reactions (not as heavy as Varric's one, but hey, Varric is a legend already today)

 

So why not cut it at the root very early?

[Markus]

We really have very little info about this sort of thing and I think people are thinking about Vivienne a little too hard. Personally, I think her entire "agenda" is just to use the Inquisition to get further in the social hierarchy. Her being an LI or not has no bearing on this, as Morrigan WAS an LI and she had an ulterior motive and pretty much betrayed you.

 

I agree.  Vivienne is ruthless and ambitious, two things you need to have to survive in the Orlesian court, along with intelligence, attentiveness, and an impeccable talent for turning a phrase.  I don't really like those two things about her, but then again, I'm not a fan of the Orlesian court, either.  She's someone to watch, to be sure, but I don't think she'll betray us.

 

Rather, I think her "hidden agenda" more geared towards solidifying an expansion of how much political sway mages are allowed to have in the Orlesian courts.  She might want the Circle to return, but that doesn't mean she doesn't want to expand its influence, and as former First Enchanter of the Montsimmard Circle, that would count for a lot.

 

I'm actually looking forward to getting to know her.  She might actually surprise me, and be an invaluable member of the team.  She'll definitely act as a foil to my very non-ambitious, fashion-ignorant Qunari mage...

 

Vivienne:  Darling, are you absolutely sure you want to wear that? 

Inquisitor:  What?  It's comfortable and protects most of my vitals.  Why wouldn't I want to wear it?  

Vivienne disapproves (-10)

Inquisitor:  Vivienne?  What's with that glare? 

Vivienne disapproves (-15)

Inquisitor:  Oh, come on!  What did I do?! 

[CrimsonN7]

Nah I doubt Viv would betray the leader of the Inquisition, she wants to push her own hidden agenda (whatever that is) forward and screwing over someone from such a powerful organization is incredibly short-sighted, would be a dumb move on her part. She's intelligent, ambitious, the Inquisitor will be a powerful ally to have, she knows this and it's in her best interests to help us, so she'll do whatever she can for the Inquisition, whatever needs to be done to survive.

[Zjarcal]

I just like how her not being a LI is pointed as one of the reasons...

 

"ZOMG I CAN'T BANG THAT ASS SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY OUT TO GET ME"

[Yinello]

I just like how her not being a LI is pointed as one of the reasons...

 

"ZOMG I CAN'T BANG THAT ASS SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY OUT TO GET ME"

 

Vivienne's ass has a hidden agenda, confirmed!

[Gervaise]

I must admit that I almost think the "what is her true agenda?" was a bit of a red herring because you are likely to be suspicious enough of her anyway without flagging it up.   Her agenda may be no more than being elected Grand Enchanter.   I would imagine she was absolutely incensed that Fiona was elected (something that I still can't quite fathom) because not only was she not a First Enchanter, being from outside the Circle system, but she then went on to sabotage the Circle system.    Whilst anyone with common sense is going to want to heal the Breach in the sky, I dare say her true motivations are to do with her personal ambitions and how the Inquisition can advance this.  Alternatively, may be she wants to off Morrigan and hopes she can persuade the Inquisitor to oblige.

 

As for the story reasons she is not a love interest.    May be she was badly betrayed by someone in the past.    Look at Briala; she'd been the lover of Celene for the best part of 20 years but in the end felt compelled to walk away from the relationship.   I doubt she would be looking to start with someone new.     Vivienne will have seen this sort of thing time and again as she observed "the Game" and it will probably have made her very cynical about getting involved, even if she hadn't suffered personally.   Strange as it may seem, some people don't need a romance in their lives and are quite happy that way.   It seems to me that Vivienne might just have the personal self belief and confidence to be that sort of person.

[Ieldra]

I think that one problem is that many people tend to associate "hidden agenda" with evil, while in reality, such are an everyday fact of politics. It's not at all surprising for a woman of her standing and influence to have one. Of course I would prefer to know about it and I'm not above spying on her to find out, but a hidden agenda does not equal treason.

[SgtSteel91]

My guess is that she wants the Circle system to still be in place so that the standing and power she earned from that system will still be there.

[Deco]

Nah I doubt Viv would betray the leader of the Inquisition, she wants to push her own hidden agenda (whatever that is) forward and screwing over someone from such a powerful organization is incredibly short-sighted, would be a dumb move on her part. She's intelligent, ambitious, the Inquisitor will be a powerful ally to have, she knows this and it's in her best interests to help us, so she'll do whatever she can for the Inquisition, whatever needs to be done to survive.

Think of Kotor Malak and Revan...

[CrimsonN7]

Think of Kotor Malak and Revan...

 

Who? I never played that game.

[Eveangaline]

Man there seems to be large groups that think every character will betray you

 

Viv because she's ambitious.

 

Iron Bull because he's working for the qunari

 

Cole because he's spirity

 

Solas because he's bald and people waaaaaaaaay overthinking the everyone at a table shot in comparison to the last supper

[Chernaya]

I'm sure Vivienne has some high ambitions she doesn't share with anyone but herself, but truly doubt she's the 'bad' guy in the group (if one of them turns out to be). They've made sure to make us aware that she has some motives and because of this I think it has become a bit too obvious of a conclusion to think 'maybe she'll betray us' from it for there to be any good shock value, like the creators of the game would want in such a situation. I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion on the matter. The suspicious, cunning and aloof character is an obvious choice, I think it would be much more interesting if it was someone else. So I hope this isn't the case.

[introverted_assassin]

I don't follow the logic of the original post in this thread because it is speculation. Until I have walked with Viv or more information is released, if there will be any at this point, i cannot form an opinion. I just can't. Not just about her but all characters.

But again...this trend of thinking "she has to be evil or will turn on you"...not here for it. Why is that the default acceptance of her personality even when we know so LITTLE about her? Like...whet?

[DeityDi]

People like to speculate. Because what the hell do you think we should do, it's 3 more months to go.

[Grayvisions]

While it's possible she is a villain, I don't know what part of her till-now given storyline and marketing have suggested that. That she has an agenda? Big deal. They ~all~ have an agenda. Some mesh with the Inquisition, some just happen to be using the Inquisition as a bridge to other things. If you think any of those characters are there out of the kindness of your hearts, you're being naive. Except maybe the Inquisitor him/herself. Even that remains to be seen.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I think traitor characters like Yoshimo and Isabela can be interesting, if done right. Out of all possible companions I'd say Vivienne seems the most likely in this game.

 

Man there seems to be large groups that think every character will betray you

 

 

Because that's what people do.